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[roddster]

Since that it the earliest rendition of a GT40, I'd suggest it is out of a 1964 edition of Road & Track or Sports Car Graphic magazines.

Thanks roddster -
My experience (and my literature collection) show that 'mainstream' car magazines, such as ROAD & TRACK and SPORTS CAR GRAPHIC were very good at including the magazine name and date of issue on the bottoms of their pages in 1964.

It's the "non" mainstream (if you will) titles, such as "CARS" etc., that lacked in that regard. CARS magazine for example, will have just their magazine name, but no issue date - others will have nothing at all on the bottoms of the pages.

Thanks again,
Kieth   

Okay Anthony, Thanks for the response - I agree with all.

Happy Thanksgiving to you too!

Does anyone know which magazine / issue this Cole Wilson FORD GT article came from??

I just picked up the article at MCACN, but have my usual frustration with no source info:



Thanks!
Kieth

[very]

Everything as you see in this picture is exactly as I received the car in 1967. Neither of these items have been touched by me. When I bought the car I did not even know that it was a rental car. I just knew that I wanted a Shelby and the price was right for me at the time. All of the dust is aftermarket.
 

Confirmation received - Thank You!
That is amazingly interesting and very COOL!!!

Kieth

Sorry that it has taken so long. I could not figure out how to post a picture. I don't know if this will work or not, but I will give it a try.

This picture (if it shows up here) was taken in November 2013. The car has been parked in our current garage since 2000 when we moved. Prior to that it was in our old garage and not driven since the 1970s.

We got her out again a few weeks ago and she is now running and we are ready to bring her to SAAC 50 in a few weeks.

My two sons have been helping me to get her in shape and my youngest son is doing a video record of the process and progress. Hope to have a great time at SAAC 50.

Just to confirm - is the missing "H" in the side stripes and the backwards grill emblem original to the car, as to how you purchased it in November of 1967??

Thanks!
Kieth

Wondering if you guys can help me with a ballpark value of a 289 HP crankshaft & counterweight "hatchet."

The crank has the "1M" stamp and is std /std, but a couple of the rod journals have some light scratches and will need a minimal grind.

The main journals are A-OK.

Thanks!
Kieth

Okay Roy - Thank You very much for your effort and feedback!

Kieth

[1971]

Thanks. The orange "backing" you mentioned on a 1970 Torino Cobra Snake emblem is incorrect though.

On the 1971 (only) Torino Cobra, there was a Snake emblem in the center of the grille and in the center of the rear panel that was very unique. That Snake had an extended RING that was cast onto the backside of its perimeter contour which was painted orange!

There's a couple of those on eBay now for $350 - $500!!

Well, as it's in a 16228-A labeled / sealed bag, I strongly suspect that is what you would see under there if the little green piece was removed. So don't do it just on my behalf, I would feel bad if you ruined the bag and altered a green back Snake adhesive cover as it is apparently the last one you have. But Thank You for your generous offer!

NOW though, if you are as curious and determined as I am, well - all bets are off then!

Thanks again,
Kieth

Well Roy, I don't actually know! That's why I'd like to acquire one to compare it to other Snakes that I am familiar with.

All I DO know is that that 2508-A (etc.) Engineering number is on a Shelby Automotive Inc. engineering blueprint that was posted on this forum in a previous discussion about Snake emblems, that vendors such as NPD & Scott Drake have advertised them using that number, and that I have seen photos online of an eBay vendor who had one listed for sale. That's the one that I immediately ordered, but when I received it it was a completely different version of a reproduction Snake that had NO casting number on it.

They must have been available at some point in time, I'm just hoping I can run across someone who bought one and would consider selling it now.

Just so I can learn what I don't know about it!

Kieth

Thanks for chiming in ^^^ Pete and Roy. I actually purchased THAT Snake in THAT eBay listing earlier this year, and what I received is not what was advertised. I was issued a refund.

Both examples above are different Snakes than my original request, so the search continues . . .

Thanks again,
Kieth

Looking to purchase a 1969-70 Snake emblem with these numbers (2508-A visible) on the back.

The orange backed Snake photo is from an eBay listing (not current) - the NPD ad shows the entire number.

I have no idea if the NPD Snake had those numbers on the back, but the eBay photo shows that it does exist.



Will purchase outright or have other Snakes to trade, let me know what you have.

- PM me here
- Email: p51ace@sbcglobal.net
- Text:  920-819-1609

Thanks!
Kieth

Thank You Stephan!!

[HOT]

I bought 6S1615 on June 30, 1976 (and still own it now, 49 years later). I was told that it was a Hertz car, but it had silver stripes and no "H" in the side stripes. Was it for SURE?? As a 19 year old guy that was HOT for a Shelby, I just had to take the chance. Back in those early days, we only had urban myths and rudimentary beliefs about what MADE a Shelby a real Hertz car - remember the "pop rivets in the drip rails" theory (see The Definitive Shelby Mustang Guide - pg 104) as one of those beliefs? Remember, this was before SAAC discovered / acquired the original invoices and paperwork in Shelby's attic that gave us the documentation we all take for granted these days.

I had noticed that 1615's top stripes and side stripe letters/numbers were all much thicker than just the middle piece of side stripe to the right of the "0" of G.T. 350. I learned later that was because that middle piece of side stripe after the "0" was just one coat of silver paint applied after the "H" had been removed!

Here it is in the summer of 1976:




Here it is in 1978, now with 10-spokes:




And here it is in 1983 at Shelby Parts and Restoration. Jim Cowles took these photos of me pouring on the first of the paint stripper and scraping away the silver paint to reveal the original HERTZ GOLD paint! What an exciting rush that moment of validation was for me:

 

Later in the side stripe stripping process I confirmed that it was just one coat of silver paint applied to mimic a piece of middle stripe where the "H" had been removed.

BTW - I recently brought all of 1615's original windshield and rear window trim out of the attic to do a micro cleaning job on them. I was astonished to discover areas of HERTZ GOLD stripe overspray on them that I had not noticed prior! Yes, I left it on there!! That is HISTORY from 1966.

The stories that many of us have of our Hertz car's missing their "H's" way back in the day to attempt to disguise the fact that they were rental cars sure makes for compelling reading in this day and age!

Kieth   
 

Hi,

I'm the new owner of this 1968 Shelby GT500KR with VIN 8T02R203104-02322. It is a unique all-original survivor car from the first owner! A 4-speed and an original Raven Black car. Al lot of documentation is present. I have a Marti report '68 registry.

I was wondering if someone knows the car and has more information to share.

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