SAAC50 Concours Results

[cob428]

Do The Concourse cars have to be registered prior to show starting or can they register the day of the show? Reason why I am asking I was told a week prior to the show there were no 69 or '70s registered.

[nctrucks]

According to: SAAC Concours Guidelines March 3rd 2022
Page 4 Scoring Standards/Awards
Clearly shows: Division I / II / III
Level Premiere

Myself and 350 other award banquet attendees heard the announcement of receiving Premiere.

[nctrucks]

SAAC Concours Guidelines March 3rd 2022

Page 5

[JD]

In the "past", Premier was only a level in Division 1.

[Mikelj5S230]

Interesting, so the tents were for the judges area and officials, not the cars and their owners.

[J_Speegle]

nctrucks : The Guidelines have not been updated recently and in fact we discussed the need and some additional information that needed to be included at the show this week. First draft of the new version was started on Sunday. Glad to see someone is reading them and knew where to find them

In the "past", Premier was only a level in Division 1.

That still remains. It's the "level" Premier - above Gold -  in Div I where the required score is 98% of the total or above.

Interesting, so the tents were for the judges area and officials, not the cars and their owners.

That's not completely correct. The tents have always been used by staff to run the show and to provide shade (well most of the time) while judging teams go over the scoring sheets after they have seen the cars and assign points to any deductions noted and observed.  This helps reduce the possibility of heat stroke, heat exhaustion and keeps out workers safe. We have also shared the tented areas when big enough and multiple ones have been supplied in the past. This year one tent was used to display a beautiful GT40. Since the area is known for strong powerful winds the approx. eight large 3x3x3 concrete blocks used to secure them to the ground took up a lot of space and owners as well as us were concerned of the tight spaces left to get the cars in and move them around.


Edited to make the requirement for Premier clearer I hope

[J_Speegle]

Do The Concourse cars have to be registered prior to show starting or can they register the day of the show? Reason why I am asking I was told a week prior to the show there were no 69 or '70s registered.

Generally, registration closes before the show so that we can make sure there are adequate number of qualified judges available as well as copies of the sheets and supporting material, flashlights, mats, space for the cars ....... and on.

If we had open entry up to the minute the show starts there would likely be mass confusion and the show would not go off as smoothly as they often do. Interested in how this impacts you... did you miss the entry closure, were you looking to volunteer as a helper/judge or something else? Plenty to do especially day of the show day. It's not very glamorous but can be really rewarding as well as meeting a lot of great people

[cob428]

I had reached out a couple of different times in the forum to ask if there were any updates if any 69 -70" were showing up and was told 2 times on the 11th and the 12th not yet. I was there all-day Friday and even went to the tent area and asked Friday if there were any 69-70s registered and was told no again.
Of course, I didnt show up Saturday (happy wife happy life) but when I showed up Sunday one of the GT350 owners told me there were 69-70's being judged in concourse. WE stress to try and find vehicles built in your same date range to get ideas if you want to show in concours, but it doesnt help when you get the incorrect information.

Not criticizing, just trying to prepare myself better next time.

Pete

[Mikelj5S230]

Interesting, so the tents were for the judges area and officials, not the cars and their owners.

That's not completely correct. The tents have always been used by staff to run the show and to provide shade (well most of the time) while judging teams go over the scoring sheets after they have seen the cars and assign points to any deductions noted and observed.  This helps reduce the possibility of heat stroke, heat exhaustion and keeps out workers safe. We have also shared the tented areas when big enough and multiple ones have been supplied in the past. This year one tent was used to display a beautiful GT40. Since the area is known for strong powerful winds the approx. eight large 3x3x3 concrete blocks used to secure them to the ground took up a lot of space and owners as well as us were concerned of the tight spaces left to get the cars in and move them around.

Well, the owners and their cars were still out in the sun, and exposed to the elements, on the asphalt the entire time. As I expected when I canceled. I expected more than a cars and coffee type show and shine for SAAC 50 Concours Judging.

[J_Speegle]

I had reached out a couple of different times in the forum to ask if there were any updates if any 69 -70" were showing up and was told 2 times on the 11th and the 12th not yet. I was there all-day Friday and even went to the tent area and asked Friday if there were any 69-70s registered and was told no again.
Of course, I didnt show up Saturday (happy wife happy life) but when I showed up Sunday one of the GT350 owners told me there were 69-70's being judged in concourse. WE stress to try and find vehicles built in your same date range to get ideas if you want to show in concours, but it doesnt help when you get the incorrect information.

Not criticizing, just trying to prepare myself better next time.

Pete

Thanks for taking the time to type that all out. Would mention that if you notice in the results that car was not judges for an award but provided with an evaluation with no awards offered or given. This is done in certain conditions based on the leaderships decision after consulting with the Judges in that class and the owner/representative.

Hope you found other 69's that attended that were built around the same time to help with your search.

[J_Speegle]

Well, the owners and their cars were still out in the sun, and exposed to the elements, on the asphalt the entire time. As I expected when I canceled. I expected more than a cars and coffee type show and shine for SAAC 50 Concours Judging.

Cars and Coffee shows in your area have formal judging with dedicated judges who some have done that job for decades? Also based on a nation standard with nationally recognized trophies and recognition given at the biggest auction houses (just one example) around the country and often outside also? I personally don't typically go cars and coffee shows, there are typically 5-6 a week around here, but haven't seen anything like SAAC Concours at any of them. If you have such a cars & coffee show like you suggest let me know as I would love to see that especially if we could attend it together and compare shows and their features.

I dare say that if you had entered a car, observed the process and participated in that process you might have a different opinion than you have expressed above.  Guess we could consider quadrupling, or more, the cost of the entry fee and gotten one tent per car. Cost of the tents was very high compared to those shows we have had in other states from my understanding and had to be rented from approved companies that had all the permits, California certification and standards required as well as the insurance to cover the liability.  If the requirements had not include those big concrete blocks we could have used them slightly differently, but when it comes down to choosing between protecting the judges, volunteers, spectators and others or getting some sun on the cars I know how have chose over the last fifty plus years judging.

Seems we didn't reach your expectations but based on your earlier posts it could be anticipated. A suggestion would be to get involved, make the suggestions formally to the board and see if you can make things better for you at a upcoming show.

[nctrucks]

nctrucks : The Guidelines have not been updated recently and in fact we discussed the need and some additional information that needed to be included at the show this week. First draft of the new version was started on Sunday. Glad to see someone is reading them and knew where to find them

In the "past", Premier was only a level in Division 1.

That still remains. It's the "level" above Gold in Div I where the required score is 98% of the total.

(The Guidelines have not been updated recently and in fact we discussed the need and some additional information that needed to be included at the show this week)

First draft of the new version was started on Sunday? New Draft should have nothing to do with this show results.

As an exhibitor. Reading them and know where to find them  Concours Guidelines 2022 page 4 should be in effect at the time of the judging and awards?

Gold/Premiere award should be given as announced at the banquet.

[Brant]

Charles,

Thank you for posting these results.

Any chance that you can provide the Shelby numbers on at least the '65 and '66 cars?

[J_Speegle]

nctrucks : The Guidelines have not been updated recently and in fact we discussed the need and some additional information that needed to be included at the show this week. First draft of the new version was started on Sunday. Glad to see someone is reading them and knew where to find them

In the "past", Premier was only a level in Division 1.

That still remains. It's the "level" above Gold in Div I where the required score is 98% of the total.

(The Guidelines have not been updated recently and in fact we discussed the need and some additional information that needed to be included at the show this week)

First draft of the new version was started on Sunday? New Draft should have nothing to do with this show results.

As an exhibitor. Reading them and know where to find them  Concours Guidelines 2022 page 4 should be in effect at the time of the judging and awards?

Gold/Premiere award should be given as announced at the banquet.

I was referring to the lack of notation in your reply #26 where it does not identify Premiere Award as being possible only in Div I. Like we have included on the face page of each judging sheet for over a decade. Because of that it very well could lead to confusion and is a mistake IMO and I was simply informing the membership that it is being correct since you posted it and many likely noticed.

Was not at the banquet but cars that received either award Premiere or Gold should have been identified as such. Not sure who read the results since as stated I was not in attendance. Sorry that this created confusion for some and we'll make efforts to not have it take place in the future. Can't think of anything we can do this moment to change what took place based on your report only what we can do in the future. If you have any please share them in a PM or here if it would be productive to everyone.

Thanks

As a note: I slightly adjusted to make the required minimum percentage for Premier cleared in Reply #20. Didn't look right originally

[CharlesTurner]

Charles,

Thank you for posting these results.

Any chance that you can provide the Shelby numbers on at least the '65 and '66 cars?

Out of town this weekend, will update when possible.