SAAC50 Concours Results

[J_Speegle]

Charles,

Thank you for posting these results.

Any chance that you can provide the Shelby numbers on at least the '65 and '66 cars?

Brant I've got the following from the 66's. Missing one from the list I believe.

6S348
6S1618
6S1812
6S2268

Hope this helps a little


 

[Coralsnake]

It has now been determined it is SAACs responsibility to make sure you feel "comfortable" at judged events.

If you have special dietary needs, desire a cold drink or want a friend, please notify SAAC before judging starts. Therapists are standing by.

Just kidding. Real life doesn't offer participation awards.

[Mikelj5S230]

Thank you Pete, for staying in character.......

[Mikelj5S230]

Cars and Coffee shows in your area have formal judging with dedicated judges who some have done that job for decades? Also based on a nation standard with nationally recognized trophies and recognition given at the biggest auction houses (just one example) around the country and often outside also? I personally don't typically go cars and coffee shows, there are typically 5-6 a week around here, but haven't seen anything like SAAC Concours at any of them. If you have such a cars & coffee show like you suggest let me know as I would love to see that especially if we could attend it together and compare shows and their features.

I dare say that if you had entered a car, observed the process and participated in that process you might have a different opinion than you have expressed above.  Guess we could consider quadrupling, or more, the cost of the entry fee and gotten one tent per car. Cost of the tents was very high compared to those shows we have had in other states from my understanding and had to be rented from approved companies that had all the permits, California certification and standards required as well as the insurance to cover the liability.  If the requirements had not include those big concrete blocks we could have used them slightly differently, but when it comes down to choosing between protecting the judges, volunteers, spectators and others or getting some sun on the cars I know how have chose over the last fifty plus years judging.

Seems we didn't reach your expectations but based on your earlier posts it could be anticipated. A suggestion would be to get involved, make the suggestions formally to the board and see if you can make things better for you at a upcoming show.

Thanks for your insights Jeff. I was not comparing judging at cars and coffee show and shine events to SAAC Concours. I was comparing the "sit outside in the sun all day in your folding chair" component, which is the same. And as a 300+ point NCRS judge with decades of experience judging, I am aware of the expertise and experience SAAC judges bring to the field. My experience at SAAC 40 caused me to withdraw from active SAAC judging, but I wanted to try it again, and thought SAAC 50 would be the place to start. But then the reality of the venue made me reconsider and withdraw by application. I do not do outdoor judging events, it is not comfortable for judges or entrants and since numerous indoor venues are out there (we have never had an NCRS National outside in my experience), I think it does not speak well of the organization to do it that way. But that is just my opinion and my standards, yours obviously vary and you are entitled to them. With Mid-America going down for judging, and MCA rarely offering indoor venues, I suspect I will never have 5S230 judged. But I will remain vigilant for any opportunities, maybe like Indiana SAAC at French Lick. BTW, I seriously doubt the SAAC board has any interest in hearing from me, so I will not waste my time on that.

[MustangMann]

I want to extend a huge thank you to Everyone on the concourse team!  I was working, representing two cars entered.  The team could not have been more helpful!  We are always learning and they are always willing to help!  To add to Brants request, the other 66 was 6S242. 

[JD]

Cars and Coffee shows in your area have formal judging with dedicated judges who some have done that job for decades? Also based on a nation standard with nationally recognized trophies and recognition given at the biggest auction houses (just one example) around the country and often outside also? I personally don't typically go cars and coffee shows, there are typically 5-6 a week around here, but haven't seen anything like SAAC Concours at any of them. If you have such a cars & coffee show like you suggest let me know as I would love to see that especially if we could attend it together and compare shows and their features.

I dare say that if you had entered a car, observed the process and participated in that process you might have a different opinion than you have expressed above.  Guess we could consider quadrupling, or more, the cost of the entry fee and gotten one tent per car. Cost of the tents was very high compared to those shows we have had in other states from my understanding and had to be rented from approved companies that had all the permits, California certification and standards required as well as the insurance to cover the liability.  If the requirements had not include those big concrete blocks we could have used them slightly differently, but when it comes down to choosing between protecting the judges, volunteers, spectators and others or getting some sun on the cars I know how have chose over the last fifty plus years judging.

Seems we didn't reach your expectations but based on your earlier posts it could be anticipated. A suggestion would be to get involved, make the suggestions formally to the board and see if you can make things better for you at a upcoming show.

Thanks for your insights Jeff. I was not comparing judging at cars and coffee show and shine events to SAAC Concours. I was comparing the "sit outside in the sun all day in your folding chair" component, which is the same. And as a 300+ point NCRS judge with decades of experience judging, I am aware of the expertise and experience SAAC judges bring to the field. My experience at SAAC 40 caused me to withdraw from active SAAC judging, but I wanted to try it again, and thought SAAC 50 would be the place to start. But then the reality of the venue made me reconsider and withdraw by application. I do not do outdoor judging events, it is not comfortable for judges or entrants and since numerous indoor venues are out there (we have never had an NCRS National outside in my experience), I think it does not speak well of the organization to do it that way. But that is just my opinion and my standards, yours obviously vary and you are entitled to them. With Mid-America going down for judging, and MCA rarely offering indoor venues, I suspect I will never have 5S230 judged. But I will remain vigilant for any opportunities, maybe like Indiana SAAC at French Lick. BTW, I seriously doubt the SAAC board has any interest in hearing from me, so I will not waste my time on that.

That you repeat ad nauseam !

[Mikelj5S230]

That you repeat ad nauseam !

Sorry to offend you by speaking my opinions. But I did think that is what this discussion forum is about. I do know any criticism is usually not appreciated here however, I have been around a long time.

[last2brake]

I heard that, the week before SAAC50, the Pebble Beach Concours had cars sitting out in the open sun, in the salt air near a huge ocean, after it drizzled in the morning.

I'd like to thank the organizers of SAAC50 for providing dry air and actual pavement to park the cars on, instead of that damp, dirt-laden grass. All the best cars were there and looked great gleaming in the sun.

It was a great day in whine country.

[computerworks]

BTW, I seriously doubt the SAAC board has any interest in hearing from me, so I will not waste my time on that.

What an incredibly naive statement... reach out and try.

I can only point out. as well, that, during the week prior, we all enjoyed the Pebble Beach concours, where mega-multi-million dollar cars actually drove on wet grass, where evaporating moisture soaked their undercarriage, while the cars sat out in the sun all day... immersed with the caustic, salt-infused air from the Pacific...
...and they didn't mind that.

We will keep your contact info and alert you about the next opportunity to be judged indoors, ...If I don't see you at French Lick this Fall.

[SFM5S159]

Isn't it also the case at Pebble Beach that participants are invited to drive their very expensive cars (the horror!) on a tour?   Geez, driving a very very expensive car...outside...in the sun!  What will they think of next??

While I didn't participate in the Concours portion of SAAC-50 I went over and watched.  It was a beautiful day!  Complete with beautiful automobiles.  Well done.  Being different than the NCRS guys is fine with me. 

[Mikelj5S230]

Yes, I have entered a few of these de Elegance type elite events. But somehow a manicured lawn, fairway, and greens on a famous golf course overlooking the ocean is more attractive and comfortable than an asphalt parking lot at a race track. At least IMO, yours may differ and that is fine.

[last2brake]

OK, now I'm confused.

So you really wouldn't care that much if the cars are in the sun, or not, if it's on a famous golf course ?

Shelbys at a race track ? So out of place. Who'd have thunk that ?

[Mikelj5S230]

If it had been held at the Pebble Beach course, yes, I would have stayed entered. I am not into being a boy racer with old cars. Race tracks don't interest me, unless it is a flying mile, like the Texas Mile, where I am a member of the 200+ MPH Club. Again, just my opinion, yours may differ and that is fine.

[last2brake]

I always equated Shelbys with performance and racing, I guess, and i appreciate the heritage. I never got the impression he was too concerned with how pretty the cars are or how they'd present at shows.

Perhaps Corvettes are different. Corvettes were built to be pretty, and most of them are. Shelbys were built to beat Corvettes by out-shining them on race tracks, not golf courses.

But most people buy cars to drive. And a few buy cars to shine and admire. And that's fine.   

[Mikelj5S230]

I always equated Shelbys with performance and racing, I guess, and i appreciate the heritage. I never got the impression he was too concerned with how pretty the cars are or how they'd present at shows.

Perhaps Corvettes are different. Corvettes were built to be pretty, and most of them are. Shelbys were built to beat Corvettes by out-shining them on race tracks, not golf courses.

But most people buy cars to drive. And a few buy cars to shine and admire. And that's fine.   

I have always equated '60s Shelbys and Corvettes, along with some Cougars like the GTE, and Chrysler 300 letter cars with long cross ram 413s, and ones like the 4 speed dual quad positraction 409s, with performance and elite ownership, since as a teen in the '60s I could never afford any of them. But the rich kids in our little town growing up could afford a '65-'66 GT350 or the others.  Few I knew raced these cars except at local drag races, and I never had the resources to go to any other race venues, and living in NM, there really weren't any.

So when I retired early and had enough money, I started buying them and finding places to drive them to, trailer them to, and show them off.  Judging became a hobby to participate in, both as a judge and as a car owner, and I found it a very satisfying and rewarding way to spend my retirement.

I drive all my cars, to get groceries, buy auto parts (I just went to the newly opened AutoZone today in my 409), and of course cars and coffee, Vintage Car Club meets, Team Shelby Rocky Mountain Region and Corvette Club cruises, etc. When it comes to driving, the 2 least enjoyable ones to drive around are 5S230, and my '63 Corvette Z06 tanker. Both are really race cars that are lousy on the street, ride and drive like trucks, no A/C or power options, etc. But they are fun to show off.