Armando's Racing Oil Pans

[shelbydoug]

Oh, gosh. I can't tell you how many times I read a "problem" that is disturbing someones ability to get their car together. Oil pans that leak from a bad weld? Really?!, you get the weld repaired and then you get the pan replated.

I grew up in the warbird business, there were no "Freakin' kits. You fabricated what you couldn't buy. If you couldn't fabricate the parts because you were not talented, then sorry, PAY someone who can. But Al Gore invented the internet so now everyone has an audience that they can whine to.

If your pan leaks "Fix it", then move on, next problem? Jeez! What happened to all of the guys that worked on their cars..oh, yeah that became not cool. I've been to guys garages that have no idea what to do....but they have all the tools.

Complain about this rant, maybe the moderator will listen to the complaints of my rant and kick me out of the SAAC group. IDFC. They don't listen to people bi+€# about post count Tony so you think that they will listen to you complain about fix your parts me? Give me a break.

P.S. the quote/end quote Aviad T/A Bud Moore Pan, nothing like the real Bud Moore T/A pan. I showed the new owner my real Bud Moore T/A pan to show him what I wanted. He told me "mine was fake,"

Armondo makes a great pan.

Don't misunderstand, I agree with you on the basic premise BUT considering that these pans are sold as ready to bolt on and pre-finished, considering that each one is probably $500 in the door, why would you want to screw around with "fixing" something that wasn't supposed to need to be fixed and absolutely going to void any kind of warranty the thing had to begin with?

I would just as well send the "defective" part back for refund or exchange.


I personally, out of necessity have learned to repair much. In fact I now can offer highly discounted pre-frontal lobotomies. In fact, I will trade it for parts?

So while rage often is an understandable reaction to frustration, it doesn't solve the problem at hand. But the lobotomy may? Mine made me more sedate.


The "Bud Moore pan" that I saw had "armor clading on the front of the tank and a skid plate about 2" over the bottom of the front tank.  I don't see that on the Aviad version they show?

I'm thinking their engines were lowered 1" like the GT40's and Daytonna Coupes were?

[gt350shelb]

Oh, gosh. I can't tell you how many times I read a "problem" that is disturbing someones ability to get their car together. Oil pans that leak from a bad weld? Really?!, you get the weld repaired and then you get the pan replated.

I grew up in the warbird business, there were no "Freakin' kits. You fabricated what you couldn't buy. If you couldn't fabricate the parts because you were not talented, then sorry, PAY someone who can. But Al Gore invented the internet so now everyone has an audience that they can whine to.

If your pan leaks "Fix it", then move on, next problem? Jeez! What happened to all of the guys that worked on their cars..oh, yeah that became not cool. I've been to guys garages that have no idea what to do....but they have all the tools.

Complain about this rant, maybe the moderator will listen to the complaints of my rant and kick me out of the SAAC group. IDFC. They don't listen to people bi+€# about post count Tony so you think that they will listen to you complain about fix your parts me? Give me a break.

P.S. the quote/end quote Aviad T/A Bud Moore Pan, nothing like the real Bud Moore T/A pan. I showed the new owner my real Bud Moore T/A pan to show him what I wanted. He told me "mine was fake,"

Armondo makes a great pan.

Having constructed  2 bud moore pans  with 2 stage pumps and all the plumbing  / yes i could fix the pan i have and move on but  for 3-400 $  my time is worth more . / I can order one that is clean and ready to go and repair the 2nd pan for  the" other "engine .   this is the 2nd engine i have built for this car and  likely the last  I will put in it . I have brought more cars back from the grave  than most .

[csxsfm]

Alternative:  Take 2 Valium and buy a drip pan.

[FL SAAC]

Looks like Armando does have a very impressive resume.

Best of luck Armie or mejor "buena suerte Armandito"

[pbf777]

     
    O.K., just for the record, over the years we have sold and installed too many oil pans to ever be able to count and from a multitude of suppliers, and with this experience, probably the "only" oil pan that you will buy and feel "relatively" confident that it won't leak is the pan from the O.E.M.! 

    With every aftermarket, weld-fabricated example that we have sold, or were preparing to install, we 'always' advised the customer and practiced ourselves, to "test" the pan for leakage prior to installation, and to have one happen to present a leak, particularly about the welding work, has never been considered as an "unusual" event!   

    Like it or not, it's an issue that just sorta goes with the territory. 

    Scott.

   

[Coralsnake]

Interesting, it kind of falls into you had just one job...

[shelbydoug]

O.K., just for the record, over the years we have sold and installed too many oil pans to ever be able to count and from a multitude of suppliers, and with this experience, probably the "only" oil pan that you will buy and feel "relatively" confident that it won't leak is the pan from the O.E.M.! 

    With every aftermarket, weld-fabricated example that we have sold, or were preparing to install, we 'always' advised the customer and practiced ourselves, to "test" the pan for leakage prior to installation, and to have one happen to present a leak, particularly about the welding work, has never been considered as an "unusual" event!   

    Like it or not, it's an issue that just sorta goes with the territory. 

    Scott.

   

Considering the representation of virtually all of the best known manufacturers mentioned in this thread, I would actually expect that each pan is tested for leaks prior to sales?

In reviewing the product descriptions of just the ones mentioned in this thread, that representation is missing in all of them.

"Buyer beware" is not a strong sales pitch.

If I wanted to waste my time on repairing oil pan leaks, I'd build my own pan.

[JohnSlack]

Oh, gosh. I can't tell you how many times I read a "problem" that is disturbing someones ability to get their car together. Oil pans that leak from a bad weld? Really?!, you get the weld repaired and then you get the pan replated.

I grew up in the warbird business, there were no "Freakin' kits. You fabricated what you couldn't buy. If you couldn't fabricate the parts because you were not talented, then sorry, PAY someone who can. But Al Gore invented the internet so now everyone has an audience that they can whine to.

If your pan leaks "Fix it", then move on, next problem? Jeez! What happened to all of the guys that worked on their cars..oh, yeah that became not cool. I've been to guys garages that have no idea what to do....but they have all the tools.

Complain about this rant, maybe the moderator will listen to the complaints of my rant and kick me out of the SAAC group. IDFC. They don't listen to people bi+€# about post count Tony so you think that they will listen to you complain about fix your parts me? Give me a break.

P.S. the quote/end quote Aviad T/A Bud Moore Pan, nothing like the real Bud Moore T/A pan. I showed the new owner my real Bud Moore T/A pan to show him what I wanted. He told me "mine was fake,"

Armondo makes a great pan.

Don't misunderstand, I agree with you on the basic premise BUT considering that these pans are sold as ready to bolt on and pre-finished, considering that each one is probably $500 in the door, why would you want to screw around with "fixing" something that wasn't supposed to need to be fixed and absolutely going to void any kind of warranty the thing had to begin with?

I would just as well send the "defective" part back for refund or exchange.


I personally, out of necessity have learned to repair much. In fact I now can offer highly discounted pre-frontal lobotomies. In fact, I will trade it for parts?

So while rage often is an understandable reaction to frustration, it doesn't solve the problem at hand. But the lobotomy may? Mine made me more sedate.


The "Bud Moore pan" that I saw had "armor clading on the front of the tank and a skid plate about 2" over the bottom of the front tank.  I don't see that on the Aviad version they show?

I'm thinking their engines were lowered 1" like the GT40's and Daytonna Coupes were?

Your pictures are of what Aviad calls a Bud Moore pan, gt350shelb can attest to the fact there are a couple of major missing things in that particular pan. The real answer is that part is Aviad's interpretation of the "Bud Moore pan.

I'll post a couple of the pictures in a while of one of my Bud Moore pans.

[shelbydoug]

Oh, gosh. I can't tell you how many times I read a "problem" that is disturbing someones ability to get their car together. Oil pans that leak from a bad weld? Really?!, you get the weld repaired and then you get the pan replated.

I grew up in the warbird business, there were no "Freakin' kits. You fabricated what you couldn't buy. If you couldn't fabricate the parts because you were not talented, then sorry, PAY someone who can. But Al Gore invented the internet so now everyone has an audience that they can whine to.

If your pan leaks "Fix it", then move on, next problem? Jeez! What happened to all of the guys that worked on their cars..oh, yeah that became not cool. I've been to guys garages that have no idea what to do....but they have all the tools.

Complain about this rant, maybe the moderator will listen to the complaints of my rant and kick me out of the SAAC group. IDFC. They don't listen to people bi+€# about post count Tony so you think that they will listen to you complain about fix your parts me? Give me a break.

P.S. the quote/end quote Aviad T/A Bud Moore Pan, nothing like the real Bud Moore T/A pan. I showed the new owner my real Bud Moore T/A pan to show him what I wanted. He told me "mine was fake,"

Armondo makes a great pan.

Don't misunderstand, I agree with you on the basic premise BUT considering that these pans are sold as ready to bolt on and pre-finished, considering that each one is probably $500 in the door, why would you want to screw around with "fixing" something that wasn't supposed to need to be fixed and absolutely going to void any kind of warranty the thing had to begin with?

I would just as well send the "defective" part back for refund or exchange.


I personally, out of necessity have learned to repair much. In fact I now can offer highly discounted pre-frontal lobotomies. In fact, I will trade it for parts?

So while rage often is an understandable reaction to frustration, it doesn't solve the problem at hand. But the lobotomy may? Mine made me more sedate.


The "Bud Moore pan" that I saw had "armor clading on the front of the tank and a skid plate about 2" over the bottom of the front tank.  I don't see that on the Aviad version they show?

I'm thinking their engines were lowered 1" like the GT40's and Daytonna Coupes were?

Your pictures are of what Aviad calls a Bud Moore pan, gt350shelb can attest to the fact there are a couple of major missing things in that particular pan. The real answer is that part is Aviad's interpretation of the "Bud Moore pan.

I'll post a couple of the pictures in a while of one of my Bud Moore pans.

The question that I have about the Bud Moore pans is, are any two exactly alike?

Those pictures do come up from the previous thread about them on this forum.

They should have been numbered like the wheels and matched to the car?

[JohnSlack]

Oh, gosh. I can't tell you how many times I read a "problem" that is disturbing someones ability to get their car together. Oil pans that leak from a bad weld? Really?!, you get the weld repaired and then you get the pan replated.

I grew up in the warbird business, there were no "Freakin' kits. You fabricated what you couldn't buy. If you couldn't fabricate the parts because you were not talented, then sorry, PAY someone who can. But Al Gore invented the internet so now everyone has an audience that they can whine to.

If your pan leaks "Fix it", then move on, next problem? Jeez! What happened to all of the guys that worked on their cars..oh, yeah that became not cool. I've been to guys garages that have no idea what to do....but they have all the tools.

Complain about this rant, maybe the moderator will listen to the complaints of my rant and kick me out of the SAAC group. IDFC. They don't listen to people bi+€# about post count Tony so you think that they will listen to you complain about fix your parts me? Give me a break.

P.S. the quote/end quote Aviad T/A Bud Moore Pan, nothing like the real Bud Moore T/A pan. I showed the new owner my real Bud Moore T/A pan to show him what I wanted. He told me "mine was fake,"

Armondo makes a great pan.

Don't misunderstand, I agree with you on the basic premise BUT considering that these pans are sold as ready to bolt on and pre-finished, considering that each one is probably $500 in the door, why would you want to screw around with "fixing" something that wasn't supposed to need to be fixed and absolutely going to void any kind of warranty the thing had to begin with?

I would just as well send the "defective" part back for refund or exchange.


I personally, out of necessity have learned to repair much. In fact I now can offer highly discounted pre-frontal lobotomies. In fact, I will trade it for parts?

So while rage often is an understandable reaction to frustration, it doesn't solve the problem at hand. But the lobotomy may? Mine made me more sedate.


The "Bud Moore pan" that I saw had "armor clading on the front of the tank and a skid plate about 2" over the bottom of the front tank.  I don't see that on the Aviad version they show?

I'm thinking their engines were lowered 1" like the GT40's and Daytonna Coupes were?

Your pictures are of what Aviad calls a Bud Moore pan, gt350shelb can attest to the fact there are a couple of major missing things in that particular pan. The real answer is that part is Aviad's interpretation of the "Bud Moore pan.

I'll post a couple of the pictures in a while of one of my Bud Moore pans.

The question that I have about the Bud Moore pans is, are any two exactly alike?

Those pictures do come up from the previous thread about them on this forum.

They should have been numbered like the wheels and matched to the car?

Not necessarily, there are Bud Moore pans that were originally exactly alike. Over the years as they went out to other forms of racing and were changed accordingly. There were deep versions and some pans that were the same but 1" shallower.

You have to remember that the pans had a windage tray that was very specific, there was plumbing to address the rear scavenge section. There was a boxed section in the sump to work with the two stage parts.


John

[pbf777]

If I wanted to waste my time on repairing oil pan leaks, I'd build my own pan.

    If you've ever had an instance to have to "build a pan", you'd realize that a small leak issue to be addressed is quite a bit easier than actually fabricating the entire product! 

    Not to mention, after you think your finished and then you test you're contraption and find a leak . . . . . . 

    Scott.

[FL SAAC]

Bud Moore pans are also excellent
Specifically for the track

[JohnSlack]

Bud Moore pans are also excellent
Specifically for the track

Normally I ignore you, but the question becomes have you run one of the real Bud Moore pans?

[Lincoln tech]

Normally I ignore you, but the question becomes have you run one of the real Bud Moore pans?

Very valid question   

[shelbydoug]

Not to argue or to demean the original Bud Moore team pans, they definitely are historical artifacts worth appreciating, BUT I'd rather actually run a "replica" of one for several reasons.

One, the original is to valuable to destroy or damage. Two, I don't need to clean up and refinish an original.

To me, the concept of the design is what matters and if there is a significant feature missing from the replica, and I actually have one side by side with the original, I could add it.

So whether or not I am running, or someone else is or not running an original, somehow seems a moot point? At least to me...and I WOULD qualify myself as a LONG TIME APPRECIATOR of the original Trans Am parts.

That's just my perspective and I understand that others view points may and likely will vary.


We all know about the "Village Idiot" who needs to interject himself into each and every discussion. I just consider him a "groupie" who follows everyone around, hooting and hollering at every action he sees.
Just be patient. At some point he will smash a pumpkin on his head and fall off of the wall again and I think that is actually intended on his part, however annoying his constant antics are? He just needs new material.
A new audience would be preferable though.