Armando's Racing Oil Pans

[gt350shelb]

 Has anyone used  Armando's oil pans?   / currently fighting a Milodon  pan that is new  and leaks .

[shelbydoug]

Has anyone used  Armando's oil pans?   / currently fighting a Milodon  pan that is new  and leaks .

I went with a Canton. Really nice workmanship. Holds 8 quarts.
They do offer a 6 quart version also.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/ctr-15-630/make/ford/model/mustang/year/1968


I am also using a Boss 302 oil cooler adapter along with a 68 Shelby GT500 oil cooler and the system holds 10 quarts.


When mounting it, I did find that I needed to switch to studs rather then original Ford pan bolts, in order to align it.

There is so much welding done to it that I'm sure that the sheet metal had fits and the studs eliminated wrestling with the alignment. The nuts are serrated flange nuts.

FYI, there IS a MOROSO, thick sheet metal, "reinforcing kit" that compresses the outside of the pan for better sealing. With the studs, it is an easy install.


Don't use the cork gaskets with it. Use the FelPro "rubber ones". The cork gaskets will last "at least 15 minutes" before they develop leaks.

So far, absolutely no issue with any kind of leaking.

[FL SAAC]

Why not go with a Canton, Aviad,  Moroso or Ford Racing?

[TA Coupe]

Armando used to work at Aviad for years so that is basically what you would be buying from him. He is highly regarded in the industry. If I need a pan in the future I will be contacting them.

       Roy

[gt350shelb]

Armando used to work at Aviad for years so that is basically what you would be buying from him. He is highly regarded in the industry. If I need a pan in the future I will be contacting them.

       Roy

good to know !    have aviad  on the 65

[Brant]

I received an Aviaid oil pan a month or so ago.

Unfortunately the quality was terrible, and the pan could not be used.

I have one on another car that was made many years ago. It's fantastic.

[shelbydoug]

I received an Aviaid oil pan a month or so ago.

Unfortunately the quality was terrible, and the pan could not be used.

I have one on another car that was made many years ago. It's fantastic.

I have heard several people complain recently about the workmanship on the Aviaid pans.

I have one on my Pantera but it is 35+ years old.


From what I have seen in direct comparisons over the years, the Aviaid was never the best example of workmanship, including my Pantera pan. It isn't pretty.
From a racing standpoint, in the beginning, that was just built in patina and didn't matter so much since it was really the "only show in town" and they were going pretty much just on the race cars which didn't care much about a "show quality finish" on them?
Pretty didn't make you faster.



One thing that I did notice about the Aviaid's is that they use a different dull cading/finish procedure on them then the bight gold cad that I have on my Canton.

If you use the link I provided for the Canton, there is a video of the pan that clearly shows the finish on the pan. It is bright gold cad.

The Aviaid is a dull gold but some are still available, in the silver cad, like the "R" model pan was originally.

So if it is the original type of silver cad finish from 1965 that you are after, I believe it is only the Aviaid that offers it?


Also, granted that there seems to be constant price adjustments on the pans, but the Armando is always about $100 more then the Aviaid is?


Also note that the chassis is a little tighter on the '65-6 Mustang then the 67-68 is and that limits the size of the side tanks possible to add to the pan. The R model tanks are I think a little puny compared to the others as a result of those limitations?


As far as the size that will fit, there is even a larger "Bud Moore pan" (from Aviaid) that increases the size of the tank to the front and puts an angled skid pad on it to protect the pan for the 67-70 cars. It clears a larger hollow front anti-sway bar as well.  So which stile you pick depends I suppose on which "era" you are aiming at and who exactly you are attempting to emulate?


As far as "Armondo" actually building the pans these days, I think that he is somewhat retired from that and into an administrative position?

[gt350shelb]

and to clarify the milodon  pan is leaking thru a weld ......  and most of the  other  brands are months out   except  the summit one   Doug !

[shelbydoug]

and to clarify the milodon  pan is leaking thru a weld ......  and most of the  other  brands are months out   except  the summit one   Doug !

So there you go, problem solved?


We just the other day discovered that our cat likes to be called "Doug". He is 18 and we just became aware of this now? We aren't sure if he is mocking me or not?

I don't think that he knows anything about racing oil pans on '68 Shelby's but apparently we miss a lot of the details?
So I need to clarify, you are talking to me and not my cat "Doug" correct?

[gt350shelb]

the 2 legged doug not  the 4 .      yea the oil pan plan went side ways  the aviad on the 65    was suppose to be on my car but  the t pan  fit like crap .   so then i found the milodon    looks nice till ya put fluild in it to clean  and it leaks .  ohh and apple cider vinegar will remove the nasty gold plating  .

[csxsfm]

I bought an Aviaid pan from Shelby for my Cobra in 1967.  They sent me an R-Model pan and it had a pin hole leak we had to fix.  Bought an R-Model pan for my Shelby from Aviaid in 1982, it had a pin hole that had to be fixed. Sounds like Aviaid continues to maintain its "originality."  LOL

[shelbydoug]

the 2 legged doug not  the 4 .      yea the oil pan plan went side ways  the aviad on the 65    was suppose to be on my car but  the t pan  fit like crap .   so then i found the milodon    looks nice till ya put fluild in it to clean  and it leaks .  ohh and apple cider vinegar will remove the nasty gold plating  .

I know that vinegar can be used on brass and copper. I never heard of it working on cadmium plating.

I like the yellow cad on the Canton. The silver on the R pans to me looks cheap like someone used lawn mower paint on it.

The ironic thing is that none of them will hold engine paint at all.


I have seen a few aluminum T-pans and besides the fit being less the stellar, the casting itself can be porous. There isn't anyway that you can keep them clean and are designed to fit the 65-6 as on the later cars the cooling fins are too close to the lower control arm mount and you have to notch one or the other.

Pete Brock made a comment about the pans that I remember. He said something to the effect that it was his design and it never quite worked like it was intended to.

You go racing with the sheet metal version.

[Bob Gaines]

I believe that the oil pans when plated are Zinc plated not Cadmium. At least the Aviad pans that I have/had seem to all be. Zinc is a cheaper process and not as environmentally nasty which is why many use it.  Other canton pans that I have had were Zinc Dichromate.  Zinc Dichromate has to have a base of zinc silver to stick to when it is applied . It adds a extra layer of corrosion resistance and electrical conductivity (electrical parts). The acid in vinegar will dissolve the coating leaving the silver underneath. That is depending on how strong and how long exposed.   

[shelbydoug]

I believe that the oil pans when plated are Zinc plated not Cadmium. At least the Aviad pans that I have/had seem to all be. Zinc is a cheaper process and not as environmentally nasty which is why many use it.  Other canton pans that I have had were Zinc Dichromate.  Zinc Dichromate has to have a base of zinc silver to stick to when it is applied . It adds a extra layer of corrosion resistance and electrical conductivity (electrical parts). The acid in vinegar will dissolve the coating leaving the silver underneath. That is depending on how strong and how long exposed.   

I am obviously confusing the two?

I do remember using vinegar to take the yellow finish off of the heads of the bolts to get to a grey/"silver-ish" finish on them, but I never thought about the yellow being zinc or cadmium?

There is some "silver" that shows through the gold on my Canton pan giving it a bit of a rainbow effect in spots particularly around the long welds. More so within the pan interior.

My Aviad is gold but the factory finish is so flat that it almost looks painted.

[JohnSlack]

Oh, gosh. I can't tell you how many times I read a "problem" that is disturbing someones ability to get their car together. Oil pans that leak from a bad weld? Really?!, you get the weld repaired and then you get the pan replated.

I grew up in the warbird business, there were no "Freakin' kits. You fabricated what you couldn't buy. If you couldn't fabricate the parts because you were not talented, then sorry, PAY someone who can. But Al Gore invented the internet so now everyone has an audience that they can whine to.

If your pan leaks "Fix it", then move on, next problem? Jeez! What happened to all of the guys that worked on their cars..oh, yeah that became not cool. I've been to guys garages that have no idea what to do....but they have all the tools.

Complain about this rant, maybe the moderator will listen to the complaints of my rant and kick me out of the SAAC group. IDFC. They don't listen to people bi+€# about post count Tony so you think that they will listen to you complain about fix your parts me? Give me a break.

P.S. the quote/end quote Aviad T/A Bud Moore Pan, nothing like the real Bud Moore T/A pan. I showed the new owner my real Bud Moore T/A pan to show him what I wanted. He told me "mine was fake,"

Armondo makes a great pan.