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First, I was wrong in stating that 6S001 was "the only 1966 GT350 to have a pony interior from the start." In reviewing the photos I have of 6S023, it's clear that car also had some pony interior items. Door panels and handles at the very least. And it might have come from San Jose with pony seats, but if so, they were swapped for standard seats before any photos were taken.

So, it looks to me like this car has to be either 6S001 or 6S023, primarily because of the pony door handles & panels; although there are a few other clues that I won't go into at this time. And both 6S001 & 6S023 should have been at S.A. LAX in October, 1965. The determining factor is whether 6S001 had the blue vinyl top in October, 1965. If yes, then this car is 6S023. If no, then we may never know for certain which prototype this car is. I'm working on finding out when 6S001 got the blue vinyl top.

Thanks, guys for these informative posts.

SBCARGUY, I've been told that 6S001 only had pony door handles and door panels - not pony seats or any other possible pony items. Can you comment on that?
About the pony interior:
- How do you believe the car was originally delivered to Shelby American? (Pony door panels and handles only, or also pony seats?)
- How was it configured during your ownership?
Finally,
- Do you have any idea if the blue vinyl top would have been on there in October of 1965?
Please forgive me if I'm asking too much. I assume that since you once owned 6S001, you must have done a lot of research on the car.

98SVT, Your explanation about the San Diego Community Concourse is very much appreciated. Pardee has confirmed that 6S001 was only there for a show, and immediately returned to S.A.; where it would have been during October, 1965. But the details you shared help my understanding greatly.

Mention of the blue vinyl top is causing me to hold off on believing this is 6S001, at least for a little while. If 6S001 had that top in October of 1965, then it can't be this car. The quest continues.

Steve S.

Steve A, THANK YOU SO MUCH for the higher resolution pictures! I still have to look close, but your pics show the details needed to draw a conclusion. I now agree with the people saying that's a pony interior. If that's correct, we are looking at 6S001. The only 1966 GT350 to have a pony interior from the start.

I'm going to touch base with Pardee before making a final conclusion. Just to be certain that 6S001 would have been at Shelby American in October, 1965. The Registry says, "It was shipped on consignment to the San Diego Community Concours(San Diego, CA) 8/21/65. On 5/11/66 the engine compartment, interior and exterior were detailed by Hi-Performance Motors (Los Angeles, CA). Date ordered 5/10/66. Shipped to Hayward Motors (Hayward, CA) 5/17/66 as a demo..." And it goes on from there. So the location of the car in October, 1965 does not appear to be certain. I'm guessing that by October, San Diego Community Concours had not sold the car and had sent it back to Shelby American. But will wait and see what Howard says.

This is almost certainly 6S001. But (if possible) I'd like to dot all the i's and cross all the t's before finalizing that conclusion.

Oh, and I just recalled who you are. You've helped me before. THANKS AGAIN!

Steve

Thanks, guys. I called the Flight Path Museum & Learning Center and asked about that display. I was hoping to get a more specific date than October, 1965. They said the display is really old, and anyone who knew anything about the display or the photo is either retired or dead. So...

camp upshur, you think the car had 1966 door panels? Are you sure about that? The lack of a dash gauge pod pegs the car as a 1966, but the reflective sheen on the seat cushion pleats make them look like the smoother 1965 upholstery. Which would indicate a carryover.

A clear shot that shows the door panel pleats would certainly clear up the carryover vs. regular GT350 question in a hurry. If anyone has a picture like that, or will take the time to get a picture like that someday, it would be greatly appreciated.

Steve

GT350Lad, Was that a large poster, a digital display, or what? And what general size was the display? Where inside the airport was it located? Near the baggage claim? Near the ticketing counters? Whatever? I'm trying to track down the exact date of that photo, and online searches are not helping. I may have to just call someone at the airport and ask my questions. The better I can describe that display, the better chance I have that the person I'm speaking to will know what I'm talking about and provide appropriate answers.
Thanks,
Steve

I just bought a Fluke 64 MAX IR Thermometer for measuring temps on my Shelby, and have a question. The laser dot does not appear to be centered in the measurement area. EX: If I'm 10 feet from an object, I get the most accurate reading when the laser dot is pointed 6" to the left of the object. If I'm only 5 feet away, that error cuts in half - to 3".I thought that dot was supposed to be in the center of the measurement area - not off to the side.

The first unit I received did this, so I sent it back for replacement. But the replacement is doing exactly the same thing.

I like Fluke for their reputation, sturdiness, and accuracy. So this is disappointing.

Am I expecting too much? Or should I send this unit back and try another brand?

Thanks,
Steve Sloan

[Barrett Jackson - Scottsdale]

silverton_ford

Please correct the following in the list that starts this topic.

Barrett Jackson - Scottsdale - January 17-25

Lot# 1316 should be 6S1618 which sold for $462,000 - NOT 6S119
Lot# 1346 should be 6S119 which sold for $423,500 - NOT 6S1618

Thanks
Steve Sloan

Bob, thanks for all your input on this topic. Especially for sharing your first-hand experience with this car and its owner when first judged. And your mention of the probable availability of black vs blue engine paint in December of 1965 is a good point that I had not considered.
Thanks,
Steve Sloan

Here's my take on the blue engine.

6S213 was sent from S.A. to McFaydens Co. (Omaha, NE) on 10/15/65. It was apparently used as a demonstrator. Among other warranty claims is an engine rebuild dated 12/17/65 with McFaydens shown as the owner at that time. (BTW, the engine had only 608 miles on it, and the block was NOT replaced.) The next warranty claim is dated 2/16/66 for leaking seals and gasket. Ralph Barbee is shown as the owner on that form. So, Ralph Barbee (the first owner) must have bought the car sometime between 12/17/65 and 2/16/66 – AFTER the engine rebuild. Ralph eventually sold to Jim Cruden, and is said to have told Jim the engine was always blue. There is supposed to be some proof of that, but if there is, I've never seen it.

So, we know all the 289HP engines were painted black at Ford when 6S213 was produced at San Jose. Yet we have an original owner saying the engine in 6S213 was always blue. How do we reconcile those two facts? Here's my theory...

The engine was black from San Jose, and from Shelby American; then painted blue during the warranty rebuild at McFaydens – BEFORE being sold to the first owner. So, whether it should be black or blue now is a matter of choice. It left Shelby American as black, but many people feel that the condition when sold to the first owner is the concours standard. I can see both sides of that. Maybe one of our concours judges will want to enlighten us on that issue.

BTW, I know the Registry shows Ralph Barbee as purchasing the car on 11/20/65, but Pardee tells me that can't be the correct date.

My two cents.
Steve Sloan

That's theft of a valuable item. Someone needs to go to jail.

#1 – Call a lawyer
#2 – Call the police

If nothing else, get it on record that you are the rightful owner, and that VIN plate has been stolen. Then, if it ever shows up, you can claim it.

Steve

Thanks, Todd.

Steve Sloan

From my experience, early 1966 GT350s (VINs below ~6S200) tend to have white inlet and outlet ducts. Later models (6S400+) seem to have black ones.

Thanks, Lisalee.

And thanks to all the others who continue to contribute information to this research.

Steve

5S383 sold 990 000 !!! that's a record for a street car , i guess 2 guys really wanted it !!
Few Cobra were bided less than that ...
6s...Carry over sold 418 000 it confirm the special desirable valuable  satus of those 252 cars.

I looked over that carryover car.  Someone had popped the VIN plate off thru one of the rivets.  There was no ford VIN under the plate.  The car said all VINs were verified so maybe that has an explanation.  But it would make me nervous.

Corey

I cannot say for certain if this is the case for 6S119, but many carryovers did not get the Ford VIN stamping in the usual place under the Shelby VIN tag. Rather, it got stamped further out on the inner fender apron, and is usually covered by the lip of the outer fender. I'm currently aware of 31 carryovers like that.

If you want more info about that, go to this web page and then search for the word "anomaly". You'll find a section titled, "Ford VIN Stamping Location Anomaly" with more details and an example picture.

https://carryovergt350.com/index.php/unique-features/

Having Fun Every Day,
Steve Sloan

In case he doesn't mention it in the video, that's 6S200.

Steve Sloan

Continuing thanks to all those offering their information to this survey.

Steve