Engine color for carryover

[davez]

Should the engines for all the carryovers be black as they were built as 65 K codes to start, or would any be blue as they were updated to 66 trim. I know this was on the original forum before but it couldn't find anything currently.

[JWH]

Yes, Carryover engines were black.
Here is a super good reference covering the details of the Carryovers:
https://carryovergt350.com/

[TLea]

Depending on when built the intake could also be black

[davez]

Ok so the writeup says SAAC premier winner on this one 6s213
The motor was painted blue during the restoration
Any thoughts on why it was done this way.

https://www.mecum.com/lots/1162805/1966-shelby-gt350-fastback/?aa_id=745719-0

[Bob Gaines]

Ok so the writeup says SAAC premier winner on this one 6s213
The motor was painted blue during the restoration
Any thoughts on why it was done this way.

https://www.mecum.com/lots/1162805/1966-shelby-gt350-fastback/?aa_id=745719-0

First off it is/was a well done car the last time I saw it at the RS auction many years ago with several corrections made from the judging sheets he got after it was judged. Bob Perkins painted the car and there was no issue with that. Others did the assembly and detailing of parts.With that said the engine blue paint was because the owner at the time when it was first restored swore up and down that it was blue before he restored it and expected us to take him at his word. He based it on the blue paint layers when he stripped the engine he told us.Those of course could have been from previous repaints. When myself and another SAAC judge John Brown judged it that first time we asked for supporting evidence to help us come to the same conclusion that he had and he had none. Of course he got mad. He was a very difficult owner and had several other out of the ordinary anomalies on the car without any backup to support his findings they all came that way on "that specific car". It seemed like he just wanted to be that car that had all of the oddities on it. We knew we were in for difficulty when the first thing out of his mouth that morning at the start of the judges meeting with the owners that day was in a loud voice he proclaimed "how do we dispute the judges findings if we don't agree"? Not a unreasonable question by itself but it was his tone ,volume ,facial expression and body language that told his story that he was looking for a fight. He got a very high score but because it was not perfect score he was mad. I remember thinking how ungrateful he was also given I had let him borrow a assemblyline battery that I had brought from across the country for him to use so that he could get the highest possible score. Not even a thank you from him. A real piece of work he was that day.

[Coralsnake]

I have seen this on other forums where people say "It won such and such award so the car cant be criticized"

Ha I say.

There are no perfect cars

There are no perfect judges

Cars can be changed and modified

Even award winning cars have points deducted

Thanks for the clarifications Mr Gaines

[tomhawk]

We purchased 6s165 in the early 80s unrestored. The engine was black. also the intake. I cant confirm the black paint on the intake was original from SA. Also had blue overspray on the front face of the T pan. Again the car was unrestored when purchased.
            I do have a question. Should the overspray on the pan be recreated during a restoration? My current project was a striped car from the factory.   

[Bob Gaines]

We purchased 6s165 in the early 80s unrestored. The engine was black. also the intake. I cant confirm the black paint on the intake was original from SA. Also had blue overspray on the front face of the T pan. Again the car was unrestored when purchased.
            I do have a question. Should the overspray on the pan be recreated during a restoration? My current project was a striped car from the factory.   

No the overspray on the pan should not be replicated given evidence supports the Cobra pan was added after the engine was painted.

[Coralsnake]

I think he's saying the overspray is from the stripes

[Bob Gaines]

I think he's saying the overspray is from the stripes

OK .I understand now. Thanks. We typically don't see overspray from the stripes painting on the pan which is not to say it couldn't happen. I would only do it if you have saved unrestored photos of the pan with the overspray. But that is just me . Since so many cars didn't typically show overspray there it wouldn't compromise the historical quality of the car IMO if it is restored without that. Ultimately it is your car so do as you wish.   

[wcampbell]

In my book simple logic without extensive documentation points to black. If you think about it Ford didn't change the block color until the new manufacturing year (mid August '65) - well after Shelby had these cars built and delivered by Ford's San Jose plant as 1965 Model cars. I don't think I've ever seen another 1965 Mustang with a '66 colored engine? I doubt Ford would've been that sloppy with production changes...They had no reason to change the block color for one particular car. The same would go for Shelby American's crew of the time - other than a documented pilot or testing decision to swap the engine or modify it's color, there would be no reason to single out and deviate their manufacturing routines for one car (albeit at a time when they were attempting to become more consistent in their build and manufacturing processes I might add). To me it's the most plausible this car had an engine "incident" out the gate and perhaps got rebuilt at a dealership somewhere - maybe even a different replacement engine which became the blue engine from that period forward and then assumed to be as "day one" delivered all those years later.

[JWH]

I have a question for the judges. The seller touts the following awards in the Mecum description:

The only 1965/1966 Shelby that has ever won both Shelby American Automobile Club (SAAC) Premiere and Mustang Club of America (MCA) Thoroughbred Gold awards; also won the MCA Authenticity Award (only open to Silver or Gold Thoroughbred Division winners)

Would a car with the wrong engine color and no documentation receive these awards?

[Bob Gaines]

I have a question for the judges. The seller touts the following awards in the Mecum description:

The only 1965/1966 Shelby that has ever won both Shelby American Automobile Club (SAAC) Premiere and Mustang Club of America (MCA) Thoroughbred Gold awards; also won the MCA Authenticity Award (only open to Silver or Gold Thoroughbred Division winners)

Would a car with the wrong engine color and no documentation receive these awards?

It could if other deductions were at a minimum IMO. The engine paint color point deduction isn't the same or as extensive as a body color point deduction for wrong color.

[J_Speegle]

I have a question for the judges. The seller touts the following awards in the Mecum description:

The only 1965/1966 Shelby that has ever won both Shelby American Automobile Club (SAAC) Premiere and Mustang Club of America (MCA) Thoroughbred Gold awards; also won the MCA Authenticity Award (only open to Silver or Gold Thoroughbred Division winners)

Would a car with the wrong engine color and no documentation receive these awards?

Apparently it did. Now would it happen at a different show, different year or with different judges - don't think you could be certain of the results. Also judging sheets and points continue to evolve and be adjusted.

[Coralsnake]

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