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1970 Black Jade hood stripe color

Started by BlackJadeGT350, January 17, 2022, 01:14:29 PM

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Bob Gaines

Quote from: shelbymann1970 on January 20, 2022, 03:05:02 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on January 20, 2022, 11:54:16 AM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on January 20, 2022, 05:48:08 AM
Quote from: J_Speegle on January 19, 2022, 09:36:43 PM
Quote from: BlackJadeGT350 on January 18, 2022, 10:23:28 PM
Those are great old pictures.  Seems quite possible KK would use the same black for the 429s.


Guess your referring to the 70 Boss 429's

What black and where?
I made a comment that I wondered when Larry painted the black jade hood stripes if he used the same color mix as the paint for the scoops on Boss 429s(1970 of course). But then again after going to lacquer early on for 1969 Boss 429 hood scoops were 70s painted in lacquer? My assumption is that the Shelby hood stipes were painted in enamel.
Given the front and back open bay doors I don't think Larry is spraying non catalyzed single stage enamel with its long set up time . No doubt a lot of dust drifting in the air through those doors that would land and get stuck in the stripes before the paint dried tack free. My money is on Lacquer paint for the stripes.   
I know Larry had problems with the enamel on the painted scoops and the long drying time. That is why KK went with lacquer. As a youngster I was told by many painters  you could paint enamel over lacquer but NEVER  Lacquer over enamel in most cases.
I have heard that too but it apparently still was done. One example is the over the top stripes on the 65/66 Shelby cars that were done were lacquer also.   
Bob Gaines,Shelby Enthusiast, Shelby Collector , Shelby Concours judge SAAC,MCA,Mid America Shelby

shelbymann1970

Quote from: Bob Gaines on January 20, 2022, 04:18:57 PM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on January 20, 2022, 03:05:02 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on January 20, 2022, 11:54:16 AM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on January 20, 2022, 05:48:08 AM
Quote from: J_Speegle on January 19, 2022, 09:36:43 PM
Quote from: BlackJadeGT350 on January 18, 2022, 10:23:28 PM
Those are great old pictures.  Seems quite possible KK would use the same black for the 429s.


Guess your referring to the 70 Boss 429's

What black and where?
I made a comment that I wondered when Larry painted the black jade hood stripes if he used the same color mix as the paint for the scoops on Boss 429s(1970 of course). But then again after going to lacquer early on for 1969 Boss 429 hood scoops were 70s painted in lacquer? My assumption is that the Shelby hood stipes were painted in enamel.
Given the front and back open bay doors I don't think Larry is spraying non catalyzed single stage enamel with its long set up time . No doubt a lot of dust drifting in the air through those doors that would land and get stuck in the stripes before the paint dried tack free. My money is on Lacquer paint for the stripes.   
I know Larry had problems with the enamel on the painted scoops and the long drying time. That is why KK went with lacquer. As a youngster I was told by many painters  you could paint enamel over lacquer but NEVER  Lacquer over enamel in most cases.
I have heard that too but it apparently still was done. One example is the over the top stripes on the 65/66 Shelby cars that were done were lacquer also.   
Before I posted I did a quick research and one of the comments was you could do it over "fully cured enamel" but test a small area first(hence my most cases post). I'd think Ford's paint processes back then would lead to fully cured enamel but I'm sure most body shops or KK had curing booths. KK didn't for sure and that is what led to the problems painting B9 hood scoops early on with enamel on fiberglass scoops in 1969. I sure would have wished that I asked Larry if he used lacquer on the stripes but as you mentioned Bob it would have taken a long time to dry/cure in he sprayed enamel.
Shelby owner since 1984
SAAC member since 1990
1970 GT350 4 speed(owned since 1985).
  MCA gold 2003(not anymore)
1969 Mach1 428SCJ 4 speed R-code (owned since 2013)
"2nd" owner of 68 GT500 #1626

Bob Gaines

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Quote from: shelbymann1970 on January 21, 2022, 05:21:07 AM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on January 20, 2022, 04:18:57 PM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on January 20, 2022, 03:05:02 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on January 20, 2022, 11:54:16 AM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on January 20, 2022, 05:48:08 AM
Quote from: J_Speegle on January 19, 2022, 09:36:43 PM
Quote from: BlackJadeGT350 on January 18, 2022, 10:23:28 PM
Those are great old pictures.  Seems quite possible KK would use the same black for the 429s.


Guess your referring to the 70 Boss 429's

What black and where?
I made a comment that I wondered when Larry painted the black jade hood stripes if he used the same color mix as the paint for the scoops on Boss 429s(1970 of course). But then again after going to lacquer early on for 1969 Boss 429 hood scoops were 70s painted in lacquer? My assumption is that the Shelby hood stipes were painted in enamel.
Given the front and back open bay doors I don't think Larry is spraying non catalyzed single stage enamel with its long set up time . No doubt a lot of dust drifting in the air through those doors that would land and get stuck in the stripes before the paint dried tack free. My money is on Lacquer paint for the stripes.   
I know Larry had problems with the enamel on the painted scoops and the long drying time. That is why KK went with lacquer. As a youngster I was told by many painters  you could paint enamel over lacquer but NEVER  Lacquer over enamel in most cases.
I have heard that too but it apparently still was done. One example is the over the top stripes on the 65/66 Shelby cars that were done were lacquer also.   
Before I posted I did a quick research and one of the comments was you could do it over "fully cured enamel" but test a small area first(hence my most cases post). I'd think Ford's paint processes back then would lead to fully cured enamel but I'm sure most body shops or KK had curing booths. KK didn't for sure and that is what led to the problems painting B9 hood scoops early on with enamel on fiberglass scoops in 1969. I sure would have wished that I asked Larry if he used lacquer on the stripes but as you mentioned Bob it would have taken a long time to dry/cure in he sprayed enamel.
Gary ,if still unsure and since Larry is gone RIP ask any painter who has sprayed lacquer and un catalyzed enamel what he thinks is being used given the open doors and other background look of the spray booth in the picture . ;)
Bob Gaines,Shelby Enthusiast, Shelby Collector , Shelby Concours judge SAAC,MCA,Mid America Shelby

shelbymann1970

I'd bet on Lacquer just by the issues Larry had painting enamel and the picture I wonder if taken like that for the photo op only. Larry was very young when hired off the Wixom line to paint at KK as they thought he painted at the Wixom facility when he was hired. Someone said "hey, I know a painter who works at the Wixom plant". Well Larry was painting motor cycle tanks with his dad at the time as a side job IIRC. LOL
Shelby owner since 1984
SAAC member since 1990
1970 GT350 4 speed(owned since 1985).
  MCA gold 2003(not anymore)
1969 Mach1 428SCJ 4 speed R-code (owned since 2013)
"2nd" owner of 68 GT500 #1626

98SVT - was 06GT

Are the paint booth doors just opened for the photos? Enamel was single stage back then. There were different mixes of solvent for use in different temps. Catylist came about with the Synthetic Enamels (also for different temp ranges). Ford had a controlled enviroment and baked the cars. Spraying light coats of lacquer over baked enamel (or a few years old garage job) usually works. The thin coats let the solvent flash off before it can eat into the enamel. A heavy coat may cause either to lift. Prepping fresh glass parts is tricky even though wet sanded and wiped down the glass could still be emitting fumes that cause enamel to be effected due to its slow cure time. Lacquer would help reduce that because it will blend better with the fiberglass solvents such as acetone. Or were these parts made by the chopped glass heat cured in male/female molds method? Chrysler had to buy back a bunch of the early Viper coupes because they got the FG mix wrong and it emitted fumes in the interior and caused the glue holding interior parts to fail.
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BlackJadeGT350

I ended up getting my stripes painted flat black. They look fantastic.  I liked the glossy before but this looks way better on the black jade.  Now I know why they originally had them flat for black jade cars.

Eric

Side-Oilers

^^ Bitchin' looking GT350, sir!   I agree that the flat black stripes make it extra sharp.
Current:
2006 FGT, Tungsten. Whipple, HRE 20s, Ohlin coil-overs. Top Speed Certified 210.7 mph.

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1968 GT500KR #2575 (1982-2022)
1970 Ranchero GT 429
1969 LTD Country Squire 429
1963 T-Bird Sport Roadster
1957 T-Bird E-model


Wooahbundy

Quote from: BlackJadeGT350 on February 15, 2022, 09:03:00 PM
I ended up getting my stripes painted flat black. They look fantastic.  I liked the glossy before but this looks way better on the black jade.  Now I know why they originally had them flat for black jade cars.

Eric
Looks great! Nicely done.
1970 Shelby GT350 #2346
2013 Boss 302 #3161
1971 Boss 351-Gone but not forgotten!

propayne

Love the contrast - gorgeous car!

- Phillip
President, Delmarva Cougar Club - Brand Manager, Cougar Club of America

shelbydoug

Quote from: Side-Oilers on February 15, 2022, 10:02:43 PM
^^ Bitchin' looking GT350, sir!   I agree that the flat black stripes make it extra sharp.

+1. Nice.
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BlackJadeGT350

I appreciate all the nice comments.  I really went back-and-forth on the decision of repainting them.  Ended up being very glad I did.

Before and after photos.