R Model side windows

[spiller]

I am looking for some info on the installation of the R model plexiglass side windows and frames. Do they simply bolt on to the door in the factory locations or are they welded in?

Also can anyone tell me whether the rivets for the 1/4 vent delete covers were painted body color or left in raw aluminium on the original cars?

Thanks

[deathsled]

Rivets appear as painted on 5R213

[deathsled]

Legendary Motorcar has restored a few R models.  They no doubt can answer your questions pertaining to side window installation.  And clarify whether rivets are painted on all of the Rs or only some.  They look painted in the picture I attached but depending on the lighting maybe they are metal colored.

[deathsled]

Looks painted from this angle.

[tesgt350]

Are those Photos of Restored or Unrestored Cars?

[deathsled]

I can't say. I got the images from Bring a trailer.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-shelby-mustang-gt350r/#:~:text=1965%20Shelby%20Mustang%20GT350R%20for%20sale%20on,but%20there%20are%20more%20like%20it%20here.

[Coralsnake]

You cant tell if thats restored or not?

[deathsled]

There are different levels of restoration, are there not? Some cars have mostly original paint with touch ups. Others have great paint but need to undergo a full mechanical restoration. Still others have all of their paint stripped. I can infer that the subject car was, in fact, restored. But in the law that would be assuming facts not in evidence wouldn't it now. I have no personal knowledge as to what was done to this car anymore than anyone else save for those who can establish a chain of custody in ownership. Everything else is inadmissible hearsay or speculation depending on how the evidence is presented. Now, had I said it was restored, undoubtedly someone would be questioning how I knew that. I report. You decide.

[Bob Gaines]

There are different levels of restoration, are there not? Some cars have mostly original paint with touch ups. Others have great paint but need to undergo a full mechanical restoration. Still others have all of their paint stripped. I can infer that the subject car was, in fact, restored. But in the law that would be assuming facts not in evidence wouldn't it now. I have no personal knowledge as to what was done to this car anymore than anyone else save for those who can establish a chain of custody in ownership. Everything else is inadmissible hearsay or speculation depending on how the evidence is presented. Now, had I said it was restored, undoubtedly someone would be questioning how I knew that. I report. You decide.

Yes even if I hadn't seen the car in person and knew its beat to the inch of its life Peruvian history that the pictures show to the informed a restored car.

[deathsled]

There are different levels of restoration, are there not? Some cars have mostly original paint with touch ups. Others have great paint but need to undergo a full mechanical restoration. Still others have all of their paint stripped. I can infer that the subject car was, in fact, restored. But in the law that would be assuming facts not in evidence wouldn't it now. I have no personal knowledge as to what was done to this car anymore than anyone else save for those who can establish a chain of custody in ownership. Everything else is inadmissible hearsay or speculation depending on how the evidence is presented. Now, had I said it was restored, undoubtedly someone would be questioning how I knew that. I report. You decide.

Yes even if I hadn't seen the car in person and knew its beat to the inch of its life Peruvian history that the pictures show to the informed a restored car.

And there we have it. Expert testimony IS admissible.

[Coralsnake]

Not to mention the owner saying it was restored.

 

[deathsled]

That said, does anyone here think within a reasonable degree of certainty that a restoration of one of the rarest and most apex predators of the Shelby world would get any salient details wrong? Especially one that would be so open and obvious, I venture to say, glaring to the jaundiced eyes of a Shelby judge or to be seen at a Shelby event? Let me cite 5r002 as a case study. Or would anyone just restore such vehicles with an Earl Scheib paint job?  That's okay, I'll wait for the numbers.

[deathsled]

As an addendum, still no answer to the originally posed question. Just a frolic and detour. Does anyone even know?

[CSX4781]

Not sure which book shows it (I'm not where I can get to my library at the moment), but I've seen photos of R Models under construction or parked outside at Shelby American with unpainted aluminum sail panel covers already installed on the cars. Maybe in the last book about Shelby American that Dave Friedman put out a few years ago. Based on those photos,  I believe the rivets should be painted. Hope this helps.

Dave

[deathsled]

Not sure which book shows it (I'm not where I can get to my library at the moment), but I've seen photos of R Models under construction or parked outside at Shelby American with unpainted aluminum sail panel covers already installed on the cars. Maybe in the last book about Shelby American that Dave Friedman put out a few years ago. Based on those photos,  I believe the rivets should be painted. Hope this helps.

Dave

Common sense over speculation saves the day. Thank you for that. Nowhere in this discussion did I say that the rivets in question should or should not be painted. Only an illustration of a real R model with painted rivets.