Paxton question.

[shelbydoug]

These small differences in installation details are interesting but I think prime examples of why there is a variation in judging what is "original" and what is not.

The print of the SA detailed installation drawing is dated, 8/15/67, and "Titled 1968 (302)".

It just shows a continuous "flexible" hose running through the bottom half of the plenum and running to what looks like "a Mr.Gasket universal "T" fitting".

I don't know if there are earlier versions of the SA "installation blue print" for 65, 66 and '67? This is the first one that I came accross and was in a batch of original pencil drawings that were given to SAAC back in '82 or so in Dearborn II.

[Bob Gaines]

These small differences in installation details are interesting but I think prime examples of why there is a variation in judging what is "original" and what is not.

The print of the SA detailed installation drawing is dated, 8/15/67, and "Titled 1968 (302)".

It just shows a continuous "flexible" hose running through the bottom half of the plenum and running to what looks like "a Mr.Gasket universal "T" fitting".

I don't know if there are earlier versions of the SA "installation blue print" for 65, 66 and '67? This is the first one that I came accross and was in a batch of original pencil drawings that were given to SAAC back in '82 or so in Dearborn II.

You hit the nail on the head. There are many things in Mustang/Shelby concours judging where there is a "range" of what is acceptable. Range of paint shade or installation configurations are some of them. If something is outside that typical range or out of the ordinary in judging and is claimed to be original is when reasonable proof is expected to help the judges make the best call IMO. Most of the time determination is left to up to the judge to decide based on their experience. I for one am constantly updating my database so as to try and give the best determination in concours judging. Discussions like this help fine tune conscientious. 

[Harris Speedster]

talking of details;
The early 1965 set up that a saac member bought, had a light bluish hose, not black.
I noticed again from TA coupe that the one picture clearly shows the whole hose is light colored, I would definitely say light blue like the original I sold >>> for concourse judging guys
John

[Bob Gaines]

talking of details;
The early 1965 set up that a saac member bought, had a light bluish hose, not black.
I noticed again from TA coupe that the one picture clearly shows the whole hose is light colored, I would definitely say light blue like the original I sold >>> for concourse judging guys
John

A gray color is what I have seen on some 67 setups. They show up as light shaded in B+W photos. I wonder if blue grey is what you are seeing.

[Harris Speedster]

talking of details;
The early 1965 set up that a saac member bought, had a light bluish hose, not black.
I noticed again from TA coupe that the one picture clearly shows the whole hose is light colored, I would definitely say light blue like the original I sold >>> for concourse judging guys
John

A gray color is what I have seen on some 67 setups. They show up as light shaded in B+W photos. I wonder if blue grey is what you are seeing.

Bob,
The only reason I brought it up, was that the one early set that was here for 8 years with light blue hose, and referring to TA COUPE pictures again,
Perhaps the one in the picture is grey, looks much brighter though ?
No matter, the set up was 90% complete, down to clamps.
The late 66 early 67 unit had a black hose though.
John

[J_Speegle]

Bob,
The only reason I brought it up, was that the one early set that was here for 8 years with light blue hose, and referring to TA COUPE pictures again,
Perhaps the one in the picture is grey, looks much brighter though ?
No matter, the set up was 90% complete, down to clamps.
The late 66 early 67 unit had a black hose though.
John

We need to remember that the photo Roy posted was sort of a one off. Looks like a group at Ford or at Paxton somewhere testing things out and not just installing a boxed kit. Plenty of other non-factory stock items shown in the engine compartment so no telling how many different set ups they tested on that mule also. IMO can't be used a a major guide to what they were doing and of course these are not the people that would be doing the installation year or two or three later in CA at SA. There are other examples that would be better IMHO examples of what Shelby did on cars they built and assembled with factory paxtons. One would be the Blair car - late 66 factory paxton with maybe one change or none (believe the belt on the car is no longer factory) since it left Shelby

Just an observation

[TA Coupe]

A slightly different brochure.

      Roy