Arizona 2024 Auctions - Barrett Jackson, RM, Bonhams - SHELBY 1962-1970 cars

[Wedgeman]

Bob Gaines,, funny you should mention that alarm. When I bought 68 GT500 #817 in 1971, it had the exact same alarm on it. I drove the car to Junior College daily, set the alarm, and went to class.  Came out one day and my passenger side wing window was open, and the 8 track player attached to the side of the console was gone...In frustration I kicked the side of the car.... and....THE ALARM GOES OFF!
I drove home... immediately removed the alarm.....tossed it in the trash. Guess it was in the end..." NOT TYPICALLY EFFECTIVE"...

[Bob Gaines]

Bob Gaines,, funny you should mention that alarm. When I bought 68 GT500 #817 in 1971, it had the exact same alarm on it. I drove the car to Junior College daily, set the alarm, and went to class.  Came out one day and my passenger side wing window was open, and the 8 track player attached to the side of the console was gone...In frustration I kicked the side of the car.... and....THE ALARM GOES OFF!
I drove home... immediately removed the alarm.....tossed it in the trash. Guess it was in the end..." NOT TYPICALLY EFFECTIVE"...

Sorry to hear about that but I and others have had a similar first hand experiences back in the day which is why I felt I could give that opinion .

[Bob Gaines]

I am sure my bad car alarm experience is at least partially responsible for my dislike for them left on classic cars.

[Mikelj5S230]

I had one on the first Shelby I owned, a '68 GT350. What a PITA that was, even removing it caused major electrical issues.

[shelbymann1970]

Bob Gaines,, funny you should mention that alarm. When I bought 68 GT500 #817 in 1971, it had the exact same alarm on it. I drove the car to Junior College daily, set the alarm, and went to class.  Came out one day and my passenger side wing window was open, and the 8 track player attached to the side of the console was gone...In frustration I kicked the side of the car.... and....THE ALARM GOES OFF!
I drove home... immediately removed the alarm.....tossed it in the trash. Guess it was in the end..." NOT TYPICALLY EFFECTIVE"...

Is that a Shelby shirt you were wearing in the pic?

[Shane]

Not a Shelby but of possible interest, this 65 k-code convertible sold at B-J for $165k.

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1965-FORD-MUSTANG-GT-K-CODE-CONVERTIBLE-271076

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[Wedgeman]

Shelbyman 1970...yes that is an original  Shelby T Shirt..even has the Shelby American  tag in it.... 8)t

[Mikelj5S230]

Not a Shelby but of possible interest, this 65 k-code convertible sold at B-J for $165k.

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1965-FORD-MUSTANG-GT-K-CODE-CONVERTIBLE-271076

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Nice modified Mustang. Not exactly original, you do wonder if modifieds are more popular and expensive than originals these days.

[shelbymann1970]

Not a Shelby but of possible interest, this 65 k-code convertible sold at B-J for $165k.

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1965-FORD-MUSTANG-GT-K-CODE-CONVERTIBLE-271076

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Nice modified Mustang. Not exactly original, you do wonder if modifieds are more popular and expensive than originals these days.

Mike, look what you sold your 67 tanker for and look what Jeff Hayes got for his his restod mod 67(double). I guess the question is when and if these trend fall out of favor how much do those restomods drop? I am still shaking my head every time an "Eleanor" crosses the block for more than real 67 Shelbys.

[Mikelj5S230]

True shelbymann, the market is still there for the new restomods.  The Eleanors are also still popular. Depreciation is harder to track on them, but it must be there.

[Hipo-Fred]

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1965-FORD-MUSTANG-GT-K-CODE-CONVERTIBLE-271076
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[/quote]Mike, look what you sold your 67 tanker for and look what Jeff Hayes got for his his restod mod 67(double). I guess the question is when and if these trend fall out of favor how much do those restomods drop? I am still shaking my head every time an "Eleanor" crosses the block for more than real 67 Shelbys.
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Yeah, definitely a head scratcher. 

Fred 

[csx289]

Bob Gaines, re my "positive spin" on 1291,  as others have pointed out before, its unfortunate that you seem to have an issue with many fellow enthusiasts and SAAC members who post here only to be met with vitriol from you. It's the main reason why I, while somebody who clearly doesn't approach your level of expertise and experience, don't post here- and I know others who do the same. Again, unfortunate because there is a vast level of real world experience and insight that could be gained and blended with yours and other similar pillars of the Shelby community's knowledge to make us all more knowledgeable about the intricacies of the Shelby cars we love. It would also make for a more vibrant online community/ forum.

Case in point, as a former owner of 1219, somebody with firsthand knowledge of the car from when it left the original owner's care and what transpired with it up to the B-J sale (vs just seeing pics on a website) I felt chiming in on this thread was important. After all these auction threads are to review and discuss sale prices and determine the market for cars of varying quality. Yes, I thought the alarm the original owner put on 1219 was cool, I appreciated it still worked, and my family had fun "punking" people with it at car shows etc. I had and still have no dog in that hunt today. Ideally, yes, the car would have zero modifications but that was an acceptable "Day 2" one to me and I loved how spectacular that car was in so many other areas so I took it as a whole.

I do look at a ton of Shelbys in person at auctions, actually most of them, and see a lot of cars that aren't what they claim to be. For example in 2021 I inspected a '65 GT350 that was being sold at a Gooding auction that had a really "positive spin" on its history, owned by notable Shelby people, Div 2 winner etc. When I saw the car it was detailed very well but clearly had some significant issues with the legitimacy and origins of its body shell. That was one car I did not see discussed here, among others, and I was really curious as to your and other peoples take on it.

Now as for the other stuff like the $350k "Eleanors" and whatnot I certainly do not get the prices on those! Or the announced rebodies at B-J. Or even the unannounced ones I did try to buy an excptionally nice '65 A Code Mustang convertible (B-J Lot 439) that was mostly original paint and was super minty underneath. It was owned by Jason Billups and clearly he knows a good Mustang. It sold for a touch over $50k and in hindsight / by comparison that was probably one of the better Mustang buys at that auction.

Ok....back to lurking. Lol

My best to all-

Colin Comer

[Bob Gaines]

Bob Gaines, re my "positive spin" on 1291,  as others have pointed out before, its unfortunate that you seem to have an issue with many fellow enthusiasts and SAAC members who post here only to be met with vitriol from you. It's the main reason why I, while somebody who clearly doesn't approach your level of expertise and experience, don't post here- and I know others who do the same. Again, unfortunate because there is a vast level of real world experience and insight that could be gained and blended with yours and other similar pillars of the Shelby community's knowledge to make us all more knowledgeable about the intricacies of the Shelby cars we love. It would also make for a more vibrant online community/ forum.

Case in point, as a former owner of 1219, somebody with firsthand knowledge of the car from when it left the original owner's care and what transpired with it up to the B-J sale (vs just seeing pics on a website) I felt chiming in on this thread was important. After all these auction threads are to review and discuss sale prices and determine the market for cars of varying quality. Yes, I thought the alarm the original owner put on 1219 was cool, I appreciated it still worked, and my family had fun "punking" people with it at car shows etc. I had and still have no dog in that hunt today. Ideally, yes, the car would have zero modifications but that was an acceptable "Day 2" one to me and I loved how spectacular that car was in so many other areas so I took it as a whole.

I do look at a ton of Shelbys in person at auctions, actually most of them, and see a lot of cars that aren't what they claim to be. For example in 2021 I inspected a '65 GT350 that was being sold at a Gooding auction that had a really "positive spin" on its history, owned by notable Shelby people, Div 2 winner etc. When I saw the car it was detailed very well but clearly had some significant issues with the legitimacy and origins of its body shell. That was one car I did not see discussed here, among others, and I was really curious as to your and other peoples take on it.

Now as for the other stuff like the $350k "Eleanors" and whatnot I certainly do not get the prices on those! Or the announced rebodies at B-J. Or even the unannounced ones I did try to buy an excptionally nice '65 A Code Mustang convertible (B-J Lot 439) that was mostly original paint and was super minty underneath. It was owned by Jason Billups and clearly he knows a good Mustang. It sold for a touch over $50k and in hindsight / by comparison that was probably one of the better Mustang buys at that auction.

Ok....back to lurking. Lol

My best to all-

Colin Comer

Colin , I Thought I was politely disagreeing with your point of view and explained why. I complimented you on the masterful way you explained yours . I am not sure why you took that as vitriol ? Since my post was not meant as a personal attack as you seem to have taken it let me confirm that it was not meant that way on my end. Bob Gaines

[Bob Gaines]

Colin ,after rereading your post and trying to understand what prompted such a heated response to me I think some clarification is in order. You said you previous owned the car and describing the positive aspects. You also mentioned that you sold the car and told about some of the things the new owner was doing to that car you didn't agree with.  Based on how original you claimed the car was when you had it and the way the car presented itself in the BJ picture I was referring to the new owner who made "improvements" on the car as making mistakes . I thought that was understood but maybe not.  If you thought otherwise let this post set the record straight.

[csx289]

Hi Bob, I appreciate the clarification. I understand that you operate at a very high level of assembly line/ concours textbook perfect and our opinions often (always?) differ as I tend to appreciate unrestored or great driver cars with original sheetmetal over absolute perfection in plating or decal placement etc. It's the age old debate of drivers vs show car guys I suppose. And I will admit my post was more about what seems to be a great deal of pushback of any car that isn't Gold level etc. and past exchanges, hence the implication that commenting on the alarm was a "spin." In any event I think we all owe it to people here to allow differences of opinion without playing "whack-a-mole" when they comment. There is a wealth of knowledge in this forum and the more questions, opinions and comments are welcomed rather than challenged the better IMO. Again, thanks for clarifying, good to know it was offered in the spirit of friendly debate