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In my opinion, if you couldn't talk about the man while he was alive, You shouldn't be beating him down Now that he is dead and unable to say anything. As the british say, that's just bad form.
It's just like the people that are now trying to besmirche The memory of Caesar Chavez, 33 years after he died. Not saying he was guilty or not guilty. But why not say something a long time ago?

       Roy

On the one hand, I agree in principle with what you are saying Roy.

On the other hand, I don't think holding someone to account for their actions is "beating them down". It is what it is. Dead or alive, Dave was a flawed human being just like all of us are. Frankly, I have always admired how charitable the person who bought his negatives has been over the years to have never publicly held Dave to account for it all.

Balls and strikes... nothing personal.

Kind regards,
Vern

Looks like an exceptionally honest/nice car.

Kind regards,
Vern

This has been one of those things kept on the "down low" over the years. Now that he has passed, the truth can more freely come out.

Pete Brock and Steele Therkleson took quite a few photographs during their daily activities... somehow the credit for those shots got attributed to Dave 

Kind regards,
Vern

Vern, it was one of your old posts that I used for reference of the inside printing. I was hoping to get a reply from you; you are the man! Thank you so much for your reply, I highly value your expert opinion.

Best,
Steve

Appreciate the kind words and always happy to help!

Kind regards,
Vern

interestingly, i have seen factory dyno sheets for the 325 engine and the particular engine that the sheet recorded made just over 360hp and 360tq. In comparison, a full race, weber'd Cobra engine made 388hp but only 320tq

That is for sure an original first printing. Pretty sure the current owner of it would have gotten it from me.

Kind regards,
Vern

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Excellent, thank you JD!

I believe I already told you that info .  
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Ya know, now that you mention it,...

I'll get a better pic of the hub on the Group 2 when im at the building (most likely tomorrow)

Here you are! Not the greatest angle but this is the shorter, solid aluminum hub used with the 16 inch wheel. This is 5R002 testing at riverside. I was trying to find a picture of 002 at Green Valley later... I assume that the hub was changed prior to the race since the car was restored to "as race" on that day specifically.

Excellent, thank you JD!

Cory, I believe the no fire order, no S1MS version Dan pictures there is the version of the intake which would have been optioned on mid to late production 289 Cobras on rare occasion. Today tons of small block Cobra run a small letter and 3259 but, as I am sure you already know, very few 289 Cobras actually recieved that intake as a factory option.

It is a very rare version of the S1MS intake for that reason.

Just adding a little color to the thread hopefully.

As an aside, another option for your intake having the "Cobra" wiped could be that another racing outfit wanted to run it but had a reason that they didn't want it to say "Cobra". Just a thought. Lots of possibilities. Neat piece!

Hey guys,

Sorry to resurrect such an old thread... but on a 67 Shelby... completed at SJ late December and completed initially at SAI Jan 17, 1967... would that car be "early" enough to need the "late 66" style sill plate emblem? I assume not?

I have an NOS set of the two line, coil snake version which I planned on using but just wanted to make sure that the CS emblem was only for VERY early cars.

Kind regards,
Vern

Shelby American also ran 325ci cheater engines at certain tracks in the R Models and probably Group 2s as well. These were 289hipo based engines.. different from the DOHC stuff.

I believe they were run at circuits where tech was not as evasive and they put out a bunch more power and torque, obviously.

Interesting to hear that SAI did some testing of this engine in 2196. I have never seen a photograph of the car running that engine but I suppose anything is possible.

Kind regards,
Vern

Here is a  car with what looks like an aluminum hub, but 15 inch wood wheel, no retaining washer.

I believe aluminum hubs in the dimensions of the diecast/chrome hub have always been available. Either this is one of those or maybe its chrome is just wore out?

The solid aluminum hub used with the 16 inch steering wheel is pretty noticeably thinner than the diecast chrome hub.

This was to compensate for the greater "dish" of the 16inch wheel. The 16 inch wheel has approx 2inch dish from the hub mating surface to the center of the wood rim... the 15 inch wheel I believe has approx a 1.5 inch dish. The only original 15 inch slotted wheel I currently have here to measure is in need of restoration and is bent but pretty sure that's an accurate number.

Kind regards
Vern

Jim Murietta did the wheel wells on the R Models. You might contact him at OVC (Original Venice Crew) to see what he remembers about the tires he was probably given and told to make them fit. Those small tires may have been used while they were trying the IRS in the Falcon.
Since SA sold the Gardena building Jim has moved OVC to Huntington Beach near Foose's. He's also making a lot of the unique R Model parts. Much of it on the original tooling.
I like the shot with the reverse scoop that Pete Brock had planned. Ford ran it past their engineers at Ford Aerospace and they nixed the idea.

Pretty sure Jerry Schwarz did the fender modifications on R Models and Trans Am "Group 2" cars. I've personally never heard anyone who worked in the Mustang race shop talk about Jim building cars.

I've talked about the goings-on around the race shop at LAX many times since my 66 Group 2 was built by those guys. Have also talked to Ronnie Sampson quite a bit.

002 was the prototype Competition Model. It got the large rear wheel openings. The SCCA didn't like them so the rest were smaller. The 3rd car built 001 was the first "production" car and all others matched its configuration.

I agree that 002 was certainly the most worked over car in terms of fender modifications at the factory... but the entirety of the first two batches saw pretty extensive modifications. According to John Brown, Jerry Schwarz said on the third batch of R Models they simply rolled in the stock fender lips as the team didn't see the actual need to cut and roll them.  This is how my Group 2 is which is an unrestored car. It might be the only SAI Comp spec Mustang left with all 4 of its modified corners untouched from the time that Jerry did them.

Kind regards,
Vern