I have numerous 67s with Magstars however I've noticed some of the jacks are 13/16 rather than 3/4 for a Magstar bolt.
Is changing that bolt to a 3/4 the only difference?
Is the 3/4 bolt the only unique piece to that jack?
Thank you!
Quote from: capecodmustang.com on July 28, 2025, 11:35:30 AMI have numerous 67s with Magstars however I've noticed some of the jacks are 13/16 rather than 3/4 for a Magstar bolt.
Is changing that bolt to a 3/4 the only difference?
Is the 3/4 bolt the only unique piece to that jack?
Thank you!
A 3/4 lug wrench isn't going to be much good trying to use a 13/16 drive jack.;)
Most very early mag star cars did not have a mismatch from the factory but some did. The factory or dealer was instructed to tell the owner to buy a auto parts store additional lug wrench for the jack and they would be compensated.This mismatch situation was quickly corrected. Later cars ether had the correct matching lug wrench and jack or they were were changed out by later owners. The drive of the jack would be 3/4 and so would the lug wrench. The rest of the jack was the typical SJ style jack.3/4 drive jacks are much harder to come by then 3/4 lug wrench . Unlike a lug wrench you can take the drive screw of a 13/16 jack and machine it to a 3/4 size.
So you're saying by changing or modifying that 13/16 bolt the rest of the jack is the same....?
Quote from: capecodmustang.com on July 28, 2025, 12:06:48 PMSo you're saying by changing or modifying that 13/16 bolt the rest of the jack is the same....?
Yes , I said that the rest of the jack is a typical San Jose jack.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on July 28, 2025, 12:27:54 PMQuote from: capecodmustang.com on July 28, 2025, 12:06:48 PMSo you're saying by changing or modifying that 13/16 bolt the rest of the jack is the same....?
Yes , I said that the rest of the jack is a typical San Jose jack.
Of course you take the drive screw completely out of the jack to modify it.
I thought I should clarify and make sure you are aware that there is a typical SJ style jack and a typical Dearborn / Metuchen style jack. Two different styles of jack . Make sure you use a SJ style.
some info and photos on this thread... and at the end is a link to the article Marcus wrote on Ford Jacks ...
https://www.saac.com/forum/index.php?topic=1062.msg8350#msg8350
Thank you JD...
And Bob too...
Never realized so many jacks and lug wrenches lost their way over 50+ years
Here is a picture showing the differences at the drive nut end of a typical jack used in Mustangs built at the SJ plant the other is the typical used in Mustangs built in Dearborn or Metuchen.
Bob...
Might you have a photo of the part that actually lifts up...?
Or is it the same as the Dearborn Jack?
Bob's Image Rotated and difference highlighted...
Quote from: JD on July 28, 2025, 04:46:03 PMBob's Image Rotated and difference highlighted...
Thanks JD. The items circled in the picture are the most important part of the determination.
Never seen this but if someone used mismatched jack on early car or displayed with a period correct auto parts 4 way it would be considered concours correct
Quote from: TLea on July 29, 2025, 01:23:50 PMNever seen this but if someone used mismatched jack on early car or displayed with a period correct auto parts 4 way it would be considered concours correct
Say What? If your going off of Bobs comment then IMO no since it was a suggestion for the buyer to purchase one but not supplied with or with the car when sold it appears. Hadn't heard the story before but on the surface this appears to be a Day 2 addition if I heard that before. Maybe your response is missing the "?" at the end ::)
Quote from: TLea on July 29, 2025, 01:23:50 PMNever seen this but if someone used mismatched jack on early car or displayed with a period correct auto parts 4 way it would be considered concours correct
I hope it wasn't meant to be but your question comes across as a little snarky.The written word can be tricky. Factory memo document the circumstance. Typically like with anything else out of the ordinary (I believe this qualifies)reasonable proof for a specific car would be expected. Reasonable proof is still a expectation with MCA venues. I assume things haven't changed in that regard with SAAC.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on July 28, 2025, 11:59:59 AMMost very early mag star cars did not have a mismatch from the factory but some did. The factory or dealer was instructed to tell the owner to buy a auto parts store additional lug wrench for the jack and they would be compensated.This mismatch situation was quickly corrected.
Not sure why anybody reasonable would consider that snarky but opinions vary
I think I am pretty verse in judging rules. The first scenario as you stated "some did" would be as delivered to the first owner. Second scenario (and I may be remembering campaign letter wrong) I believe the dealers were instructed to replace the wrong wrench with 4 way. Again as delivered to customer.
I'm not saying we open the doors for this but if under the customary "anything interesting or unusual you want to tell us about your car?" an original owner told us that what is what was in the trunk I would have to give it consideration. The funny thing about jacks and wrenches most people never use them and wouldn't even know there was a mismatch.
Now I need to look at that campaign letter and go over it. Must have missed that one.
Tim's words...
"The funny thing about jacks and wrenches most people never use them and wouldn't even know there was a mismatch."
Well said Tim
I own car #8, #11 and #61.
The early cars are more complicated.
Only recently did I discover that the jacks's were mismatched or not SJ jack's at all.
Getting educated quickly...!
Bret
Welcome to EARLY '67 GT350's... ;-) - seems the first batch, DSO2505, were putting theory into practice and adjusting the procedures and parts for production.
Quote from: JD on July 30, 2025, 10:23:21 AMWelcome to EARLY '67 GT350's... ;-) - the first batch, DSO2505, were putting theory into practice and adjusting the procedures and parts.
Thank you JD...
It appears I'm looking for a SJ jack with the 3/4 bolt ...
I found a lug wrench on Ebay...
Quote from: capecodmustang.com on July 30, 2025, 10:30:37 AMQuote from: JD on July 30, 2025, 10:23:21 AMWelcome to EARLY '67 GT350's... ;-) - the first batch, DSO2505, were putting theory into practice and adjusting the procedures and parts.
Thank you JD...
It appears I'm looking for a SJ jack with the 3/4 bolt ...
I found a lug wrench on Ebay...
I would highly suggest to anyone looking for a 3/4 drive jack that you remove the 13/16 screw drive and have it machined to 3/4 and save yourself time and stress. You will find 20 3/4 lug wrenches (and you know how hard those are to find) to every one 3/4 drive jack. I know people that have been looking for years. Of course they are out there but you just have to decide if you have enough luck and determination to come across one and be that one guy.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on July 30, 2025, 12:39:10 PMQuote from: capecodmustang.com on July 30, 2025, 10:30:37 AMQuote from: JD on July 30, 2025, 10:23:21 AMWelcome to EARLY '67 GT350's... ;-) - the first batch, DSO2505, were putting theory into practice and adjusting the procedures and parts.
Thank you JD...
It appears I'm looking for a SJ jack with the 3/4 bolt ...
I found a lug wrench on Ebay...
I would highly suggest to anyone looking for a 3/4 drive jack that you remove the 13/16 screw drive and have it machined to 3/4 and save yourself time and stress. You will find 20 3/4 lug wrenches (and you know how hard those are to find) to every one 3/4 drive jack. I know people that have been looking for years. Of course they are out there but you just have to decide if you have enough luck and determination to come across one and be that one guy.
That's good advice Bob....
I was the buyer of a brand new 1967 Shelby GT350, #01111, from Rich Ford, in Alburquerque,
NM, in May, of 1967. Imagine my surprise, when I opened the trunk and was looking over the
spare tire and equipment, and discovered, there was "no" lug wrench!
When I informed Rich Ford of this shortcoming, I was instructed to go buy the proper tools
for changing a tire and submit the receipt for reimbursement. Which I did. It was the
first of a number of issues I encountered while owning a 1967 Shelby GT350.
I was the original buyer of a 1967 Shelby GT350 (# 01111) from Rich Ford in Albuquerque, NM
in May of 1967. Imagine my surprise, as I was looking in the trunk at the spare tire and tire
changing equipment and realized there was "no" lug wrench.
The people at Rich Ford instructed me to go purchase the tools to change a tire and bring
them the receipt, which I did. This was the first issue, of a number of them, that I
encountered, during my ownership of this 1967 GT350.
Doug C.
Quote from: shlby66 on July 30, 2025, 04:07:24 PMI was the original buyer of a 1967 Shelby GT350 (# 01111) from Rich Ford in Albuquerque, NM
in May of 1967. Imagine my surprise, as I was looking in the trunk at the spare tire and tire
changing equipment and realized there was "no" lug wrench.
The people at Rich Ford instructed me to go purchase the tools to change a tire and bring
them the receipt, which I did. This was the first issue, of a number of them, that I
encountered, during my ownership of this 1967 GT350.
Doug C.
Hello Doug, thanks for posting on car #1111.
The current SAAC registry list it as having had Mag Star wheels, is that what was on the car?
Also, it seems as though it had a jack but just no lug wrench??
If so, by chance do you remember if the nut on the jack was the same as the Mag Star lugs 3/4" or was it a 13/16" nut on the jack?
JD
I'm just going to add in that when I bought #0036 in 1971 there was no jack handle. I just figured that the 2nd owner lost it somewhere. I had to figure that out a couple of months after I bought it. Didn't even use the jack, I had a floor jack at home and all my Craftsman tools.
Hi JD,
Yes, there was a jack, but no jack handle/lug nut wrench.
I went to Sears and bought 2, 1/2" DRIVE SOCKETS. One for the jack and one for the lug
nuts. I also bought a 12" 1/2" drive extension and a 1/2" drive, 2-foot breaker bar.
Rich Ford reimbursed me when I presented the receipt.
Yes, it was delivered with Mag Stars. And that turned into another learning experience.
A fellow worker pointed out I was missing a lug nut. Back to Rich Ford to buy another
one. A number of weeks later, I discovered, 2 more missing lug nuts. That's when I
really looked them over and realized they were not shouldered lugs, but tapered ones.
So out comes the torque wrench and quite a few were loose. From that point on, every
Saturday morning, all lugs were re-torqued after the wash job. I personally know two
Shelby owners, that had a Mag Star come off while driving. The first one did serious
damage. Fortunately for the second one, his fell off as he turned into his driveway.
Funny, when he bought the '67 with Mag Stars, I told him about my experience and
cautioned him about checking the torque regularly on the Mag Stars. He called me right
after his almost disaster and he didn't believe that would happen and wished he had
listened.
AS for me, I do recall, at least 4 or 5 more surprises waiting for and my '67 GT350.
Doug C.
Quote from: shlby66 on July 30, 2025, 04:07:24 PMI was the original buyer of a 1967 Shelby GT350 (# 01111) from Rich Ford in Albuquerque, NM
in May of 1967. Imagine my surprise, as I was looking in the trunk at the spare tire and tire
changing equipment and realized there was "no" lug wrench.
The people at Rich Ford instructed me to go purchase the tools to change a tire and bring
them the receipt, which I did. This was the first issue, of a number of them, that I
encountered, during my ownership of this 1967 GT350.
Doug C.
Sounds like proof for an extraordinary claim ;)
Quote from: TLea on August 01, 2025, 04:16:01 PMQuote from: shlby66 on July 30, 2025, 04:07:24 PMI was the original buyer of a 1967 Shelby GT350 (# 01111) from Rich Ford in Albuquerque, NM
in May of 1967. Imagine my surprise, as I was looking in the trunk at the spare tire and tire
changing equipment and realized there was "no" lug wrench.
The people at Rich Ford instructed me to go purchase the tools to change a tire and bring
them the receipt, which I did. This was the first issue, of a number of them, that I
encountered, during my ownership of this 1967 GT350.
Doug C.
Sounds like proof for an extraordinary claim ;)
That's how it works for that car ;)