Having a discussion with long term (some of us dating back to the UUNET and newsgroup days), really good "IT" friends LAST night, the question of online forums, their user base, the trouble with moderating them, and the quest for high post counts by various members came up. These are people with 20+ years of forum moderation under their belts. Our conclusion on post counts was a simple one, those forums that eliminated the actual post counts from their members profiles, seemed to have less conflicts, and less off topic posts that needed to be moderated.
So the question I now pose is as follows:
Should we remove members post counts from the forum?
I'll leave it to the members of the forum to respond with a yes or no, and perhaps, if they would like to share, the reason for their answer.
Thanks for keeping this on topic, and civil.
Bill
Seems like a great idea to me.
Corey
+1
Yes remove the count on posts. Content over quantity regarding a post is what matters on this forum. Maybe replace the counter with "SAAC Member Since _ _ _ _".
YES YES YES YES YES... DID I SAY YES?
That's a great idea. That might get rid of some nonsense
Totally agree!!
+1. YES that will get rid of the big post #s contest and keep actual shelby car related topics on the board since this is a SHELBY forum site!!! What happened to Captain Dave did he retire and move to florida ?
We've been through this before.
I personally think that eliminating the post count will have a negligible effect on constant posting offenders.
There seems to be some sort of reluctance here to remove certain individual posters that are largely considered offensive to other participants?
I'm thinking that maybe it has something to do with the US Constitution's "Bill of Rights" and what we note as the "First Amendment".
I 'd like to point out that the "Bill of Rights" has little to do with controlling what is said here. It restricts "the Government" from abridging certain actions that are now refereed to as "individuals rights".
Some say that the SAAC Forum IS a SAAC function. Some say that it is not and is an independent organization unto itself. Participants here can not answer that question and the Officers of SAAC simply will not openly discuss this.
I would think that maybe it would be productive not to just have a single moderator here to make ultimate decisions. Private clubs and organizations often have
Board of Directors" to make membership decisions and perhaps that would benefit us here on the SAAC FORUM? To my knowledge, there is no board here empowered to make those kind of decisions, just one person, the"moderator" who considers it restraint on his part but others seem as reluctance?
In the past there have also been openly non-SAAC members, permitted to post here, which in effect acted as antagonists and trolls, posting contrary to the common good.
It is my view, that non-SAAC members posts should be limited. Perhaps by actions of the Forum Board of Directors.
Is this or is it not a SAAC function? The moderator here and SAAC HQ's disagree on that and ultimately that has to be settled as well by both parties.
I don't see how removing post counts will change anything regarding jerk behavior.
Post counts are irrelevant to me. Won't bother me a bit if they're removed.
Doug brings up a good point about the SAAC forum allowing anyone to actively participate in all but the solitary "Members Only" category. Personally, I think it should be the other way around. SAAC members should be able to post anywhere, anyone could read all but the Member Only section but also have one specific section for non-members to chirp away.
My greater concern however is that this forum software is now 6 years out of date and several revisions behind. That leads me to believe that maybe there are also no back-ups. So, eventually Version 2 will go the way of Version 1.
Quote from: Coralsnake on September 13, 2023, 06:52:51 AM
+1
+2 . at this point anything that might help keep the nonsense at bay.
I think one has to ask themselves if someone is posting "kool" or "great job" or "interesting" and doing this 8-10 times a day, what their motivation is? Or if the vast majority of their posting is off topic and not Shelby related?
I would contend they have other motivations, that might be better in other venues, like Facebook.
Just my opinion, I am authorized to have one. 😉
Quote from: Shawn on September 13, 2023, 07:11:36 AM
Yes remove the count on posts. Content over quantity regarding a post is what matters on this forum. Maybe replace the counter with "SAAC Member Since _ _ _ _".
read my profile on my posts. I have that I have been a SAAC member since 1990. I like the fact that I have supported SAAC and even donated(got some stickers) when the club was being sued by you know who.
I am in agreement about removing post count. I agree that its troublesome that again all knowledge learned here may be lost from a crash. The forum community has lost a vast amount of knowledge by those that have left the site, or a site crash or were driven away by nonsense. I do come here to learn about all of the various Shelby cars and the history, maybe have a laugh or two and contribute if I have something worthwhile to add.
Joe
Add me to the list supporting the removal of post counts. Any effort that might eliminate those spectacularly absurd posts is clearly a step in the right direction.
At one time the number of posts represented someone's level of engagement on the forum, for example, the amount of helpful answers provided or useful discussions engaged in. But it seems nowadays that quantity does not necessarily equal quality, and some people's egos seem tied up in their post count. When the old forum crashed, besides the massive loss of documented knowledge & content, there were a lot of bruised egos over the counts as everyone had to start back at zero. If the counts don't provide anything positive then we should get rid of them IMHO.
I support removing the post count as well. It is the content of the post that matters, not the number of times. The great information passed on by those who know the details we seek are a great value to us Shelby owners. Posting to increase your post count serves no one but the poster. And, that is not worth squat!
Greek
Just my experience as an amateur: I assumed when I arrived to the forum that those with the most posts had the most experience. Thus the most car knowledge and would be the most helpful. I have found that is not always the case. Actually the opposite in some cases. I have so much gratitude for the help I receive from the Forum that any distraction irritates me. Thus I think the post count can be misleading. Unless someone can offer me an overwhelming positive to the count I would think it should be removed.
Yes, hopefully it would eliminate a lot of the non Shelby related posts of which I see way to many of.
If I might comment; I feel that "post counts" considerations should not be a tool for governing the function of the forum, that is to be regulated by the rules set forth and enforcement of such. The idea that if we just make a minutia feature that we think might be a driving force for a few, which I assume this intent would be for those that might not be presenting postings of an appreciated subject matter but rather just flood the site with banter assumably solely for post count purposes, then better regulation is the answer, not limiting features to the entirety of the group. :)
I would fear otherwise that a policy of removing currently available features being deemed as the simplest solution to control the few, follows similarly to to choice in attempting to control homicides in the society by first removing the guns from being available, but then realizing that knives are now a problem so further regulation is required with still fewer choices for the masses, then baseball bats, sling-shots, before long bricks will need regulating! ::)
I believe the intended value in the posting counts feature is that this perhaps provides some guidance to the readers as to the possible validity of the comments being made, as otherwise with proper regulation the disfavored poster would shall we say..........have been tarred & feathered, and run out of town! ::)
Scott.
Yes do it ,,,,, I'm still waiting for the King to chime in , he must be thinking ;D
Quote from: Bill on September 13, 2023, 06:22:00 AM.... those forums that eliminated the actual post counts from their members profiles, seemed to have less conflicts, and less off topic posts
I'm neutral on the subject.
But I'd offer that passing a knowledge test before one can advise/respond on specific subjects would accomplish the same thing. That would at least make the C8 threads a one sided conversation......
We have things like Hero Member, Newbie and such by our post counts. I suggest we go to a system like below
0-15 Newbie
15-100 Jr Member
100-9999 Member
10K plus. SPAMMER
I say, why is it so important anyway? Why was it ever there on ANY forum? (incase we forgot what we are talking about, "post counts")... With that said, why if it doesn't mean anything even talk about it? Sounds like a lot of people like to read about themselves. I personally am not a fan of forums that the minute you write something people badger the poster, example the FGT forum....I love this forum because I can get useful info quick....Do I like laughing? YES and there is plenty to enjoy laughing about on it...
I am still waiting for my answer on where to buy a nice repro 67 deluxe door panel for my Shelby. I got no reply, no answer, crickets as they say. But Man did this post grab attention! PHEW!
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on September 13, 2023, 11:48:00 AM
We have things like Hero Member, Newbie and such by our post counts. I suggest we go to a system like below
0-15 Newbie
15-100 Jr Member
100-9999 Member
10K plus. SPAMMER
Shelbymann1970...Now that was a great post!!! LOL Thats what I am takin about! I am complimenting it, not making fun of it....for those who dont understand humor.
Quote from: 67 GT350 on September 13, 2023, 11:54:32 AM
I say, why is it so important anyway? Why was it ever there on ANY forum? (incase we forgot what we are talking about, "post counts")... With that said, why if it doesn't mean anything even talk about it? Sounds like a lot of people like to read about themselves. I personally am not a fan of forums that the minute you write something people badger the poster, example the FGT forum....I love this forum because I can get useful info quick....Do I like laughing? YES and there is plenty to enjoy laughing about on it...
I am still waiting for my answer on where to buy a nice repro 67 deluxe door panel for my Shelby. I got no reply, no answer, crickets as they say. But Man did this post grab attention! PHEW!
Yeah, my post was strictly humor of course. Hey, If I knew where to get some panels I'd tell you. Every once and a while a post gets buried thanks to Spam posts. You may have to bump it up if it gets off the recent posts at hte bottom of the main page. I know of another who uses that tactic quite often. Goos luck on your panel search. I'll ask a friend who has one of the best 67 non Shelby/ non restomod Fastbacks in existence and his car is a factory 63B car.
Thank you! Glad you got the humor, Sometimes I think that could be half the problem is that people are so wound up.
It's difficult to police the "unpoliceable" when there's insufficient law or manpower to back it up with.
Without proper moderation, this and other forums tend to devolve into a "Lord of the Flies" childlike-mentality society of bullying and ostracism mixed with kingly hubris, annoying trolls, phonies, deceivers and many other dysfunctions.
Will eliminating the post count improve any of that? Who knows unless we try it.
But, while that change may make newbies feel more comfortable (I guess we couldn't call them "newbies"anymore) what would prevent any of us from counting our own posts (or making up a giant number) and putting that impressive participation trophy on our signature line?
IMO, the post count isn't the problem. It's some of the posters.
Since this is a public forum, anyone can lurk or become a super-contributor. With the ease of changing screen names, or establishing an entirely different account/web address via a VPN, there's no realistic way to totally ban someone from ever posting again.
If the forum became mostly private, with a couple of public areas (as mentioned earlier in this thread) that might be the answer. Full access would require a current membership. Just like at a gym or country club.
Thoughts?
Quote from: pbf777 on September 13, 2023, 11:38:17 AM
If I might comment; I feel that "post counts" considerations should not be a tool for governing the function of the forum, that is to be regulated by the rules set forth and enforcement of such. The idea that if we just make a minutia feature that we think might be a driving force for a few, which I assume this intent would be for those that might not be presenting postings of an appreciated subject matter but rather just flood the site with banter assumably solely for post count purposes, then better regulation is the answer, not limiting features to the entirety of the group. :)
I would fear otherwise that a policy of removing currently available features being deemed as the simplest solution to control the few, follows similarly to to choice in attempting to control homicides in the society by first removing the guns from being available, but then realizing that knives are now a problem so further regulation is required with still fewer choices for the masses, then baseball bats, sling-shots, before long bricks will need regulating! ::)
I believe the intended value in the posting counts feature is that this perhaps provides some guidance to the readers as to the possible validity of the comments being made, as otherwise with proper regulation the disfavored poster would shall we say..........have been tarred & feathered, and run out of town! ::)
Scott.
Very well stated
Quote from: Side-Oilers on September 13, 2023, 12:39:52 PM
It's difficult to police the "unpoliceable" when there's insufficient law or manpower to back it up with.
Without proper moderation, this and other forums tend to devolve into a "Lord of the Flies" childlike-mentality society of bullying and ostracism mixed with kingly hubris, annoying trolls, phonies, deceivers and many other dysfunctions.
Will eliminating the post count improve any of that? Who knows unless we try it.
But, while that change may make newbies feel more comfortable (I guess we couldn't call them "newbies"anymore) what would prevent any of us from counting our own posts (or making up a giant number) and putting that impressive participation trophy on our signature line?
IMO, the post count isn't the problem. It's some of the posters.
Since this is a public forum, anyone can lurk or become a super-contributor. With the ease of changing screen names, or establishing an entirely different account/web address via a VPN, there's no realistic way to totally ban someone from ever posting again.
If the forum became mostly private, with a couple of public areas (as mentioned earlier in this thread) that might be the answer. Full access would require a current membership. Just like at a gym or country club.
Thoughts?
Hey Van
I love the Lord of the Flies reference. Great seeing you.
There are many well-thought-out comments that have been submitted in a diplomatic manner. I personally feel that removing member post counts is a disservice to those whom I truly respect and consider the underpinnings of this forum and the technical knowledge/history of all things Shelby. Their post count should be even higher as far as I'm concerned.
On the other hand, I don't appreciate all the clutter (like what's happening in Florida every five minutes) that appears for no other apparent reason than to boost post count. I personally will not even open posts from repeat offenders as they serve no useful purpose, in my opinion. If I've offended a frequent Florida poster with my input, too bad. I chose to NOT be diplomatic with my comment. Sometimes the message gets buried.
Frank
Quote from: pbf777 on September 13, 2023, 11:38:17 AM
If I might comment; I feel that "post counts" considerations should not be a tool for governing the function of the forum, that is to be regulated by the rules set forth and enforcement of such. The idea that if we just make a minutia feature that we think might be a driving force for a few, which I assume this intent would be for those that might not be presenting postings of an appreciated subject matter but rather just flood the site with banter assumably solely for post count purposes, then better regulation is the answer, not limiting features to the entirety of the group. :)
I would fear otherwise that a policy of removing currently available features being deemed as the simplest solution to control the few, follows similarly to to choice in attempting to control homicides in the society by first removing the guns from being available, but then realizing that knives are now a problem so further regulation is required with still fewer choices for the masses, then baseball bats, sling-shots, before long bricks will need regulating! ::)
I believe the intended value in the posting counts feature is that this perhaps provides some guidance to the readers as to the possible validity of the comments being made, as otherwise with proper regulation the disfavored poster would shall we say..........have been tarred & feathered, and run out of town! ::)
Scott.
Very well said.
Maybe posts made to the following areas of the forum should not count towards an individuals post counts: The Lounge, Deals and Appeals, Regional Forums, and The Lounge.
Quote from: Krelboyne on September 13, 2023, 01:58:44 PM
Quote from: pbf777 on September 13, 2023, 11:38:17 AM
If I might comment; I feel that "post counts" considerations should not be a tool for governing the function of the forum, that is to be regulated by the rules set forth and enforcement of such. The idea that if we just make a minutia feature that we think might be a driving force for a few, which I assume this intent would be for those that might not be presenting postings of an appreciated subject matter but rather just flood the site with banter assumably solely for post count purposes, then better regulation is the answer, not limiting features to the entirety of the group. :)
I would fear otherwise that a policy of removing currently available features being deemed as the simplest solution to control the few, follows similarly to to choice in attempting to control homicides in the society by first removing the guns from being available, but then realizing that knives are now a problem so further regulation is required with still fewer choices for the masses, then baseball bats, sling-shots, before long bricks will need regulating! ::)
I believe the intended value in the posting counts feature is that this perhaps provides some guidance to the readers as to the possible validity of the comments being made, as otherwise with proper regulation the disfavored poster would shall we say..........have been tarred & feathered, and run out of town! ::)
Scott.
Very well said.
Maybe posts made to the following areas of the forum should not count towards an individuals post counts: The Lounge, Deals and Appeals, Regional Forums, and The Lounge.
I'm aware of several forums who don't count posts in off-topic areas. Some also don't count in the "For Sale/Trade". And at least two forums (Not cars) who have an active For/Sale/Looking To Buy sub-forums, to post in those forums you must have a post count, say over 100. Even then, people have been caught and banned for abusing it. Such as a scammer got on, posted 100 post to any topic they could "Yeah, I agree" (that's ONE!) do that 100 times and then start posting stuff for sale and scamming people.
So, post count can be used as a tool for forums. It can also be abused.
I have no problem getting rid of counts. I also think member since....... Really it's just the same thing as counts. I've been a member since 1974 that doesn't make me any more or less of a jerk than anybody else out there. (probably more.)
Quote from: 67 GT350 on September 13, 2023, 11:54:32 AM
I am still waiting for my answer on where to buy a nice repro 67 deluxe door panel for my Shelby. I got no reply, no answer, crickets as they say. But Man did this post grab attention! PHEW!
I'm sorry you didn't get a reply. I saw it but honestly I've only used original or the ones made by dashes direct. I don't know if there are other choices
One of the members I respect the most has a really low post count. The member I respect the least and go out of my way to ignore has a ton of Florida based posts.
Just saying.
John
Quote from: TLea on September 13, 2023, 02:40:03 PM
I have no problem getting rid of counts. I also think member since....... Really it's just the same thing as counts. I've been a member since 1974 that doesn't make me any more or less of a jerk than anybody else out there. (probably more.)
Im with Tim on this... Get rid of the counts, get rid of the years they have been on here. NO one really cares except those that like to fluff up their own feathers, everyone else says WHO CARES.This is a site that gets smaller and smaller each year, many are just plain tired of the BS spewed from the 5-6 individuals who belong to the Good OL Boys club, Their way or pound sand... to Floridians or others! If we are more and more select on who says what in here that is bad news Is it better to post for the millionth time Dont install Caution fan sticker, or their paint daubs are in the wrong place?... :-[ At least Tony posts about cruises, food, car shows, races, going fishing, and a bunch of other normal good times, without a constant barrage of negativity from the G O B C members. Its not how long we have been saying things but more what/how things are said that is important in life.
An invisible number (Post count) won't cure the disturbances. The motivation of a troll is not a count, but disturbance and provoking the audience. Easier to block the disturbance at the entrance via all channels that lead to this forum, if forum rules are violated. The problem seems to be rather a clear Forum rule.
I have enjoyed following this forum for many years. I currently don't own a Shelby, but aspire to join the ownership ranks at some point in the future (all I need is $80K....right?). Until that time, I have been trying to read and learn as much as possible about the cars, restoration details, history, etc. This forum and the many who contribute to it are such a great source of knowledge. Thank You to those that are willing to answer questions and share their vast knowledge - I've learned a lot from you, but still have a long way to go! With that said, it really doesn't take long to get a sense of those who add true value to the forum and those that just like to make "noise" with their self-serving, petty and often immature posts.
I am ok with removing the post counter. I personally don't look at the number as it seems to be a meaningless measure and doesn't reflect the quality of the posts. I don't think removing the number however, will have an impact on the amount of "noise" on the forum.
I'm willing to try about anything that improves the atmosphere on the forum.
I do, however, see a good reason to allow people to continue to have their "number of years of SAAC membership" in their signature. Because it gives, at least, the credibility that:
1. The person has been around for a while, and is probably somewhat knowledgeable on Shelbys.
2. The person supports our club.
3. The person is probably a "real" adult human and not an AI bot or some 12 year old looking to rile-up people.
I've been a member since 1981. Longer than many, not as long as some. Like a membership in a country club or bowling league...it shows commitment to the subject at hand.
I also think it's fun and interesting to read (in signature lines, as an example) what makes and models of cars the person owns/owned.
The reasons why exactly support my points 1-3 above.
Should we now be expecting someone to be upset about that? It is indeed purely "self-serving."
On the "other side" (of eliminating the counts) I find the post count helpful when we know the poster has few posts and is either a newish member or poster. Often this suggests a need for more information will needed to be shared in the response or more explaining. In ways I see the question of eliminating the post counts as trying to deal with the symptoms rather than the cause. No rule or plan will be perfect and the unintended consequences must be considered . If these choices were easy then the question would not need to be discussed and careful consideration given.
Of course even the public discussion of the "issue" will reward the same people that are made reference to in this discussion :P
Post counts? Does a lawyer worry about his post counts? Does anyone worry about post counts for that matter? I focus on the win counts for my clients in court, not post counts on a website. If anything, revisiting my post counts makes me want to post even less because it becomes a painful reminder of the amount of time I have spent making posts, time that could be spent elsewhere. I have expended considerable time making content for this site that some consider valuable as evidenced by their commentary while others have found not so valuable though I have not observed any rude words generated from my content for the most part. Nor have I ever posted any profanity or gone on the attack with a rude diatribe against anyone on this site. I, for one, do not believe I have been a chronic offender for adding officious remarks to the SAAC Forum though some of you may disagree. Let me say this, you are entitled to your opinion. And that's the point isn't it? I have lusted after a Shelby long before there was ever a SAAC in existence let alone a "virtual" SAAC online. In other words, I certainly can, and certainly do, enjoy my cars independent of this website and forum. Recently, I saw a request for more writers to participate on or within SAAC which gives certain indicia that your writer base is shrinking ("failing" might be a better word). Given the foregoing, it follows a priori that the site may be dying. It is no secret that upcoming generations are far less interested in anything automotive than we ever were, and they regard cars as throw away appliances. I am 60 years old as of June 2023. I caught the tail end of the muscle car boom in the 1970s when they were simply used cars. I began driving in 1979. I believe that many on this site may be much older than 60 which leads me to my next point. Someone better start making content that is interesting for the younger generations or these cherished cars will end up in museums and in some instances the scrap pile, as sacrilegious as that may sound. I have tried to make my content interesting and though it may not appeal to some, I am not looking to win a popularity contest. Consider me a bridge between Boomers and Gen Xers, maybe Millennials as well. I have reason to believe that I know how they think having a few of them as friends in the legal profession. For anyone to seriously be concerned about post counts and to exert needless energy to monitoring how many posts another has put up online, smacks of playground behavior. I recently posted an article (quickly taken down I might add) in the so-called "Off Topic Lounge" and received this exact DM in my inbox from a moderator which makes me question how "Off Topic" the lounge really allows for, said DM saying and I quote: "Please stop these irrelevant posts, like Adam Driver, etc. Thanks."
First and foremost, this removed post was placed in the so-called "Off Topic" area. What do the words "Off Topic" mean to the reasonably prudent person? Allow me to supplement that the "Reasonable man standard" is an actual legal standard used in the law to measure the culpability of an individual in tort litigation. Let me assure you, I regularly exercise said standard before I post on this site. The post that was removed was innocuous and inoffensive in its "drive" and content.
Second, the deleted post was about Adam Driver, the star to the new movie entitled "Ferrari" the subject matter of the post being about how Driver wasn't even allowed to drive the cars in the movie for insurance reasons. I might add that the article came from a noteworthy automotive website that apparently didn't think said article was irrelevant and unworthy of publication. It was automotive related. Does the "Off Topic" area now have to be about only Shelbys as well? Maybe that needs to be spelled out. Call it "Off Topic but only if it's Shelby related."
Third and directly on point, the DM sent to me by this moderator is the most flimsy set of guidelines I have ever seen when viewed through an attorney lens. It literally says nothing and essentially asks me to self-censor myself. Any lawyer reading said DM would clearly know that it was drafted by a non-lawyer (which is not a problem in and of itself) but when you are going to play legislator and draft some rules, you should know what you are doing and draft with clarity and forethought. We have terminology in the legal profession that nullifies statutes for being "void for vagueness." No lawyer or judge for that matter could make any sense of that DM. What is allowed? What isn't allowed? To attempt any meaningful statutory construction of the administrator's message "Please stop these irrelevant posts, like Adam Driver, etc. Thanks." is a waste of my time and as we all know, time is all we have. This is why pro se litigants make a mess of things and clutter up the courtrooms of America by not knowing the law and wasting the court's time with their pointless soliloquies about how they were wronged. It is simply "eye rolling" to say the least. You want to set up guidelines for the "Off Topic" Lounge then do so. Or eradicate the "Off Topic" lounge altogether I really don't care. Or we can try this. I can fill up your inbox with private DMs of proposed posts to see if they pass constitutional muster before I post. How would that work?
Go ahead. Talk about zinc phosphate on nuts and bolts all day long. Or talk about the whereabouts of Jim Morrison's 67 G.T. 500. I am about to do what Enzo Ferrari did during the Ford negotiations. Just leave and go for an extended lunch and perhaps never come back. You want a writer? I considered it at one point but now I am not so inclined. I have no question in my mind that I know how to write. So says the Judges that have granted many of my motions for summary judgment over the years or the complaints I have written and filed in court that have survived vicious motions to dismiss by the defense. That is all the affirmation I need and certainly not from SAAC. I also have creative writing skills but I am not so inclined to use them here anymore. Get rid of the lounge, I say. Do it! But I suspect it won't happen because for some, the Off Topic area is a means to target certain individuals and complain because it satisfies some internal validation of sorts. Don't read their posts if you don't like them. I do this to the radio when listening in my car. If I run across a station I don't want to hear, I turn the dial to classical music or heavy metal or hard rock to cut out the static and I will remember the station(s) I do not like so as not to visit it again. You don't like the station, change it. You already know the radio station frequency so why revisit it? Maybe I should try the other Shelby site and join them but no doubt the same cacophony of complaints might just as easily be found there. It isn't the forum anymore or the post count, it is what Americans are mutating into where conversation is concerned (far more endemic in the younger generations than the old but maybe SAAC is proving me wrong and that in fact it is society as a whole regardless of age). I look back to the signers of the Declaration of Independence with awe, one of the many reasons I came to this country. I will make a list of those of you that have brought value to my life on this site in no particular order except the first one.
1. 98SVT-was06GT (He changed my life for the better for selling me and my father 6s843 when I was a young man of 31 years and he will never be forgotten for that kindest of all gestures.)
2. Side-Oilers, a man of great integrity and automotive knowledge.
3. 67 GT 350 for his astute observations and car talk
4. Bob Gaines for incredible knowledge on everything automotive, not just Shelby expertise
5. Harris Speedster
6. acman63 (posthumously)
7. 2112
8. zray
9. Venon Estes
10. Chris Thauberger
11. SFM66H
12. BGlover67
13. SFM6S
14. Mark P
15. capecodmustang.com
16. acapulco350
17. 427hunter
18. Bigfoot
19. Steve McDonald
20. 69 GT 350 Vert
21. gt350hr
22. Corey Bowcutt
23. 69mach351w
24. Kent
25. Wedgeman
26. billmunny
27. Dan Case on his incredible stream of knowledge on Cobras
28. J_Speegle incredible expertise on the nuances of Shelby parts and pieces
29. s2ms for helping understand original versus aftermarket on various items
30. FLSAAC last but not least for his rapier wit and entertaining quips coupled with informative info.
31. KIWI (posthumously) I always liked his commentary and wit. Still missed.
Maybe this post will be deleted, maybe it won't. We shall see.
I haven't hid my face (some might think I should) in my videos so you know who I am.
I will further electronically affix my full name to this post rather than hide behind an avatar.
Richard L. Elsliger
Oh, and before I forget: Have a lovely, lovely day. Cheers!
In my haste I missed a few others.
32. Crossboss
33. Quicksilvershelby
34. Silverton Ford
35. 557
36. shelbydoug
37. Numerous others over the years as the catchall.
The only conceivable 'benefit' one can think of with visible post count is buying items offered for sale here. Some forums have a minimum post count or time period before being able to post in the classifieds or to send PM's/DM's. Would suggest if removing visible post count, the additional requirements noted are implemented.
I don't think its "playground behavior" to expect people to act like adults or focus on the cars.
I am not saying you have to be serious all the time or not have fun. It is a hobby after all.
I think its the relentless waves of crap and personal attacks people don't like. I personally think that's the genesis of this post.
I must say, more people have posted here than any previous post of mention. My assessment is the majority agree some type of change is needed. I'm not sure what that looks like?
Silence by some is most telling. Facts do speak loudly.
Quote from: Coralsnake on September 13, 2023, 06:01:24 PM
I must say, more people have posted here than any previous post of mention.
And unfortunately, from the temperamental tone of many of the respondents, this also is one of those postings, that for the good health of the forum, apparently should not have been presented in such fashion! Rather if the true issue is as being so often alluded to here, it should have been addressed directly with those whom are involved and the assigned moderators; that rather than inciting a riot among the masses, or if just simply airing ones' dirty laundry in public. :o
Scott.
Deathsled 4 President
kill post counts and remove bs posts
Thank you, Deathsled.
Don't care.either way...
I would add saac member since, shelby owner since and what I really like is when you can give people likes or something that show the users which people help with their posts.
Long time reader. I really appreciate Coralsnake (Pete) and Bob Gaines who have helped me over the years with questions about my 68. I usually go outside of the saac forum these days and go direct for help without being a pest. I think the administrators job is very tough. Wondering if there is that much junk coming from a member that there account could be suspended (temp or permanent)based on criteria that is established. Its funny how you can pinpoint a few bad eggs just by their posts. Good Luck!
PBF 777,
The heart of the topic ?
I believe the intended value in the posting counts feature is that this perhaps provides some guidance to the readers as to the possible validity of the comments being made, as otherwise with proper regulation the disfavored poster would shall we say..........have been tarred & feathered, and run out of town! ::)
Scott.
Great statement in this old dogs opinion.
Perhaps screen the un-scrupulous type differently, many that have posted seem to have the same feeling ?
Deathsled, as always a great thought out post, thank you for including me in your list, I am humbled by the knowledge of many on & off your list !
John from Utah, as big Jim Cowles aka'd as in the late 80's.
Quote from: Harris Speedster on September 14, 2023, 09:37:44 AM
PBF 777,
The heart of the topic ?
I believe the intended value in the posting counts feature is that this perhaps provides some guidance to the readers as to the possible validity of the comments being made, as otherwise with proper regulation the disfavored poster would shall we say..........have been tarred & feathered, and run out of town! ::)
Scott.
Great statement in this old dogs opinion.
Perhaps screen the un-scrupulous type differently, many that have posted seem to have the same feeling ?
Deathsled, as always a great thought out post, thank you for including me in your list, I am humbled by the knowledge of many on your list !
John from Utah, as big Jim Cowles aka'd as in the late 80's.
Speaking as an old dog who didn't make the list, I wonder if I am even relevant any more? I suspect not. I am not fitting anyone else's agenda and there are agendas here apparently.
Doug,
QUOTE; Speaking as an old dog who didn't make the list, I wonder if I am even relevant any more? I suspect not. I am not fitting anyone else's agenda and there are agendas here apparently.
You have high value here !
I went back and added a bit to my post.
You are a wealth of information, and I for one enjoy your posts, as they are always on point.
BTW, sorry for the delay in getting back with you >>> RE; your work/knowledge in concourse awarding winning stamps etc, but not limited to as such.
Your buddy,
John
Reading through, good topic.
Maybe move the post count to the profile of each forum member? While not quickly accessible, it still can be seen if anybody wants to look. Been a SAAC member since 1990, but not alot of post on this forum.
I do agree to limiting to SAAC members. Makes the moderators have to cross-check each new application.
Create a section for non-members? I would think that if they were limited to a small section, most spammers and nuisances would go away knowing they will be limited.
Just some thoughts.
Dan
Quote from: shelbydoug on September 14, 2023, 09:43:48 AM
Quote from: Harris Speedster on September 14, 2023, 09:37:44 AM
PBF 777,
The heart of the topic ?
I believe the intended value in the posting counts feature is that this perhaps provides some guidance to the readers as to the possible validity of the comments being made, as otherwise with proper regulation the disfavored poster would shall we say..........have been tarred & feathered, and run out of town! ::)
Scott.
Great statement in this old dogs opinion.
Perhaps screen the un-scrupulous type differently, many that have posted seem to have the same feeling ?
Deathsled, as always a great thought out post, thank you for including me in your list, I am humbled by the knowledge of many on your list !
John from Utah, as big Jim Cowles aka'd as in the late 80's.
Speaking as an old dog who didn't make the list, I wonder if I am even relevant any more? I suspect not. I am not fitting anyone else's agenda and there are agendas here apparently.
I added you to the list, shelbydoug. I always enjoy your philosophical and level headed approach to all topics plus your automotive knowledge for sure. Sorry I missed you. I was a tad heated when I wrote that treatise which in the end means nothing because I am but one pathetic squeaky voice in this big world and I have thus far done nothing great or notable that would make me memorable in life or after death. Being a lawyer does not impress me in the least. It's a living sometimes full of vitriol is all I can say. Being a noted author with something to say or a composer is a far greater aspiration. I won't be remembered but for five minutes after I die, likely by the graveyard attendants before they shovel that last bit of earth and go to lunch. That said, my SAAC list is inconsequential in the greater sense of things from someone who is also inconsequential, but all of you mean a lot to me and I apologize for missing one or more of you. Now, I will endeavor to get off of this site and refrain from "irrelevant" posts as the benefit of my absence.
Personally I don't care either way, but....
Why not keep the post counts but have them hidden and only visible if searching for member info under the "Members" section like all other member stats? That way if someone's post count is important you can easily look it up, otherwise not shown.
Can a few BAD apples spoil the entire bunch... They sure can, and have, and will continue to run people off! This has been going on for years, we all know of the 5-6 BAD ONES- They know who they are, and listening to what some spew here... runs off many a good person. Not to mention any names here, but not TOO long ago one of our own top notch restoration guys was Brow beat, Belittled, Chastised and was basically informed he was not very knowledgeable in his craft. What we have since learned that he is VERY qualified, much more then those that gave him the proverbial Bitch slap... and many top notch people are waiting for him to restore their cars... Thanks for sticking around! It is pretty easy to navigate around the good ones and the bad ones, just listen to their responses. High number counts, smiley faces or thumbs up wont cover up or hide the Bad Ones. We have many little cliques in here and need to cater to all. We have the old rich guys that own fantastic cars but cant change their oil, We have Big Mouths that are never helpful, We have guys that are ready, willing, and able to promote the group in our modern world and we try to run them out of town, We have guys that live for their number count and feel this gives then credibility. What ever reason people come here for, they should have that ability to share openly, and willingly! Small group and getting smaller, time to let others steer the ship out of what some refer to, as a cesspool of discussions. Thin skinned and or Newbies dont stick around very long. Little more positivity will go far...
Why not remove post numbers? Does it have any real influence, on how we take care of our Cobras and Shelbys?
If I remember correctly, about 10 or 12 years ago we had the "Capt. Dave" episode, where he was flooding the
Forum with one-word posts, continuously, similar to what's going on with the Florida rudeness and it's boring. I don't
need to have any post numbers, to feel good about. Get rid of them.
Doug C
PS. I'm also one of those, who have chosen, to no longer present technical information, on this Forum, due to
the rude and nasty responses, to information presented. I'll just let them find out the hard way.
Quote from: deathsled on September 14, 2023, 10:46:36 AM
Quote from: shelbydoug on September 14, 2023, 09:43:48 AM
Quote from: Harris Speedster on September 14, 2023, 09:37:44 AM
PBF 777,
The heart of the topic ?
I believe the intended value in the posting counts feature is that this perhaps provides some guidance to the readers as to the possible validity of the comments being made, as otherwise with proper regulation the disfavored poster would shall we say..........have been tarred & feathered, and run out of town! ::)
Scott.
Great statement in this old dogs opinion.
Perhaps screen the un-scrupulous type differently, many that have posted seem to have the same feeling ?
Deathsled, as always a great thought out post, thank you for including me in your list, I am humbled by the knowledge of many on your list !
John from Utah, as big Jim Cowles aka'd as in the late 80's.
Speaking as an old dog who didn't make the list, I wonder if I am even relevant any more? I suspect not. I am not fitting anyone else's agenda and there are agendas here apparently.
I added you to the list, shelbydoug. I always enjoy your philosophical and level headed approach to all topics plus your automotive knowledge for sure. Sorry I missed you. I was a tad heated when I wrote that treatise which in the end means nothing because I am but one pathetic squeaky voice in this big world and I have thus far done nothing great or notable that would make me memorable in life or after death. Being a lawyer does not impress me in the least. It's a living sometimes full of vitriol is all I can say. Being a noted author with something to say or a composer is a far greater aspiration. I won't be remembered but for five minutes after I die, likely by the graveyard attendants before they shovel that last bit of earth and go to lunch. That said, my SAAC list is inconsequential in the greater sense of things from someone who is also inconsequential, but all of you mean a lot to me and I apologize for missing one or more of you. Now, I will endeavor to get off of this site and refrain from "irrelevant" posts as the benefit of my absence.
It's ok that I didn't make the cut for list...but Even over DEAD PEOPLE! That's a new low for me.
These days I agree with others that I don't even like what I think, mostly don't even care what I think and just accept my daily reviews. Usually from my wife of how disappointing I am.
That's all ok. I just am numb to it now. I keep things real. What really matters is that I didn't make the JV baseball team when I was 14 but got personally invited to a private tryout by Walter O'Malley, then owner of the Dodgers. SO THERE! Another LA connection that went bust. It was 1968 and had my Cobra already picked out.
Seriously though, what I advise "youngins" these days, which I do think is somewhat pertinent to this discussion in my own twisted way is,"never let someone else define who you are, that is your realm alone".
...and I never mess with Attorney's. Not to be critical of them, but they ALWAYS seem to be pissed off at something, somebody, somewhere. ;)
I envisioned you POUNDING AWAY on the keyboard. I could hear it from here! 8)
OH and I just wanted you to know that I have a big poster of your car...so please don't sue me?
Quote from: shelbydoug on September 14, 2023, 12:25:53 PM
Quote from: deathsled on September 14, 2023, 10:46:36 AM
Quote from: shelbydoug on September 14, 2023, 09:43:48 AM
Quote from: Harris Speedster on September 14, 2023, 09:37:44 AM
PBF 777,
The heart of the topic ?
I believe the intended value in the posting counts feature is that this perhaps provides some guidance to the readers as to the possible validity of the comments being made, as otherwise with proper regulation the disfavored poster would shall we say..........have been tarred & feathered, and run out of town! ::)
Scott.
Great statement in this old dogs opinion.
Perhaps screen the un-scrupulous type differently, many that have posted seem to have the same feeling ?
Deathsled, as always a great thought out post, thank you for including me in your list, I am humbled by the knowledge of many on your list !
John from Utah, as big Jim Cowles aka'd as in the late 80's.
Speaking as an old dog who didn't make the list, I wonder if I am even relevant any more? I suspect not. I am not fitting anyone else's agenda and there are agendas here apparently.
I added you to the list, shelbydoug. I always enjoy your philosophical and level headed approach to all topics plus your automotive knowledge for sure. Sorry I missed you. I was a tad heated when I wrote that treatise which in the end means nothing because I am but one pathetic squeaky voice in this big world and I have thus far done nothing great or notable that would make me memorable in life or after death. Being a lawyer does not impress me in the least. It's a living sometimes full of vitriol is all I can say. Being a noted author with something to say or a composer is a far greater aspiration. I won't be remembered but for five minutes after I die, likely by the graveyard attendants before they shovel that last bit of earth and go to lunch. That said, my SAAC list is inconsequential in the greater sense of things from someone who is also inconsequential, but all of you mean a lot to me and I apologize for missing one or more of you. Now, I will endeavor to get off of this site and refrain from "irrelevant" posts as the benefit of my absence.
It's ok that I didn't make the cut for list...but Even over DEAD PEOPLE! That's a new low for me.
These days I agree with others that I don't even like what I think, mostly don't even care what I think and just accept my daily reviews. Usually from my wife of how disappointing I am.
That's all ok. I just am numb to it now. I keep things real. What really matters is that I didn't make the JV baseball team when I was 14 but got personally invited to a private tryout by Walter O'Malley, then owner of the Dodgers. SO THERE! Another LA connection that went bust. It was 1968 and had my Cobra already picked out.
Seriously though, what I advise "youngins" these days, which I do think is somewhat pertinent to this discussion in my own twisted way is,"never let someone else define who you are, that is your realm alone".
...and I never mess with Attorney's. Not to be critical of them, but they ALWAYS seem to be pissed off at something, somebody, somewhere. ;)
I envisioned you POUNDING AWAY on the keyboard. I could hear it from here! 8)
OH and I just wanted you to know that I have a big poster of your car...so please don't sue me?
Try being married to an attorney! I've had a few tell me they hope their clients rot away in jail yet they still give them the best representation they can which is their job and I respect that. A lot of attorneys have tough jobs and the ones I know are very down to earth nice people.
Back to the previously scheduled program now. On most forums I'm on, a high number of posts will more often than not equate to better than decent knowledge which obviously is not alway the case so once again im all in when it comes to deleting post counts. I enjoy this forum and purchased an amazing car thru here (thanks again Z ray) and have even learned more about old bicycles thru PM chats here. The knowledge obtained here is incredible. I do like the idea of maybe someones credentials below their SAAC handle. Such as concours judge, restorer of award winning SAAC judged cars, etc etc.
Kiwis spirit will always live on and I really appreciate the work that Brian Littlefield contributes to the forum as well.
I've known some who have left this site when it was SAAC 1.0. I won't get into the reasons. About counts and such there are some who have very little posts but that doesn't tell the story-when they became a forum member does in most cases I would think. A scammer guy selling stuff who could run up his posts all you need to do is look at when he joined? A week ago? A few years ago I posted a wanted ad for 68 Shelby parts. Got a lot of good responses from forum members and my friend bought a lot of parts off of them but there was 1 scammer. He was a new-date wise-member so my friend asked if he had a part that didn't exist. He did.
Numbers count is like a participation trophy award today... It does not represent quality or ability. It just means someone has been involved for a period of time, good or bad! Trophies should be awarded to the best... that are deserving of such accolades not because someone showed up on here, as well as children`s sports, or band, or whatever. There are those that are not helpful, positive, or contributors to the groups well being. They just have too much time on their hands and dont really care about the direction of this very small group of automotive enthusiasts. When someone calls them out they get unhappy and blame others just a harsh reality of why even in the last few days... like Sled and Doug and a few others have said they are done contributing. Needs to be a way to hold on to the few we already have as well as gaining new excited people to come here and promote the cars we love so dearly.
Contributing ????? Great concept if you can contribute something that relates to this site that maybe helpful and interesting to others , but constantly copy paste and post useless crap from other sites is not what I would call it , how many times can someone tell us about how great the new Corvette is or upcoming car shows that most of us will never attend ? It's a waste of bandwidth , there are many very knowledgeable people on this site that do contribute by sharing their knowledge and ideas , the rest most likely don't know which end of screwdriver to use unless they can find help on the web , only my opinion .
I joined the forum to learn more about my Shelby and Shelby's in general. It's nice to have a go-to site for maybe getting a question answered, learn something new, or contribute something that might be of interest to others. I personally place little credence in post counts. They are just numbers and are only an indication of member activity, both useful and useless. I can live with or without them as I am able to navigate the site and extract the information that I'm in search of without being distracted by non-contributory posts. Just my thoughts on the matter.
Craig R.
Hello everyone,
I for one don't post much anymore since the Forum v1.0 crash. I will usually not reply to these types of discussions either, but I'll make this exception.
As for the elimination of the post count, I'm either way as it's not important to me. For the most part the "regulars" here on the forum knows who's who. I'd bet even the unregistered visitors, lurkers to the forum knows or can tell.
When it comes to certain specified topics that interest me, I'll engage or on occasion when I sell or buy an item(s).
Back to the topic. I too am annoyed by this individual(s) posts. As a result I use and would recommend the "Ignore this user" function. (See enlarged attached pic). I find it works well. Maybe consider it going forward, until a decision can be made by the powers that be.
Cheers
~Earl J
Earl, can you give a short description of where to find the ignore option?
This should work:
Step 1 - Login, select "Profile", then "Forum Profile" from the drop down list.
Step 2 - A new menu will open. Select "Modify Profile", then "Buddies/Ignore List..."
(https://www.saac.com/forum/gallery/236-150923204345.jpeg)
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Yes
Am I the only one who finds the irony funny that all but one guy have increased their post count in this thread?
Just spotted this - thought it could be germain to the discussion - or not.
I'll take the credit for Richard (Deathsled) being here - thanks.
Quote from: s2ms on September 15, 2023, 08:48:39 PM
This should work:
Step 1 - Login, select "Profile", then "Forum Profile" from the drop down list.
Step 2 - A new menu will open. Select "Modify Profile", then "Buddies/Ignore List..."
Thanks Dave. I was going to reply to Pete and do just that but you beat me to it.
A few years ago Ron Richards aka computerworks showed the forum community this option in dealing with this issue (?). I immediately applied it, and poof no more issues.
Again, I would suggest to those affected by this _______ look up the individual, apply it. It essentially puts him on his own island without you ever having to visit.
Life is all good!
Chillax
Cheers
~E
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on September 15, 2023, 10:45:00 PM
Just spotted this - thought it could be germain to the discussion - or not.
I'll take the credit for Richard (Deathsled) being here - thanks.
Great MEME and I've seen that done before. LOL.
Here is the issue I see with spamming: I usually have SAAC running in a tab even when I'm not looking at the forum. I hit to the Recently discussed topics. There have been some that I have missed due to one person showing up on the majority of recent topics so some relevant to me are buried in the sections due to the spamming. I just did a screen shot a minute ago and this is the typical look of what I see. See what I mean?
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on September 16, 2023, 07:46:17 AM
Here is the issue I see with spamming: I usually have SAAC running in a tab even when I'm not looking at the forum. I hit to the Recently discussed topics. There have been some that I have missed due to one person showing up on the majority of recent topics so some relevant to me are buried in the sections due to the spamming. I just did a screen shot a minute ago and this is the typical look of what I see. See what I mean?
It's done all the time to make sure his posts are always on top , Why? It's a sickness .
Quote from: Lincoln tech on September 16, 2023, 08:33:02 AM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on September 16, 2023, 07:46:17 AM
Here is the issue I see with spamming: I usually have SAAC running in a tab even when I'm not looking at the forum. I hit to the Recently discussed topics. There have been some that I have missed due to one person showing up on the majority of recent topics so some relevant to me are buried in the sections due to the spamming. I just did a screen shot a minute ago and this is the typical look of what I see. See what I mean?
It's done all the time to make sure his posts are always on top , Why? It's a sickness .
I don't have a problem with his posting topics like some do I have a problem on how every day he rehashes his so they are like you describe. I usually come on during the day and done by 3-4 looking at the forum until the next morning. I've seen 69-70 topics I missed because the time they were posted and the time I would get back to the forum they were no longer "recent topics" because of one individual. I have many Florida car show/ cruises/ coffee events memorized by seeing then day after day in the recent posts part on the main page. Anyone else feel the same way?
We are constantly fighting negativity
Quote from: Jhockman on September 16, 2023, 08:48:36 AM
We are constantly fighting negativity
With thoughts of others , nothing original.
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on September 16, 2023, 08:40:21 AM
Quote from: Lincoln tech on September 16, 2023, 08:33:02 AM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on September 16, 2023, 07:46:17 AM
Here is the issue I see with spamming: I usually have SAAC running in a tab even when I'm not looking at the forum. I hit to the Recently discussed topics. There have been some that I have missed due to one person showing up on the majority of recent topics so some relevant to me are buried in the sections due to the spamming. I just did a screen shot a minute ago and this is the typical look of what I see. See what I mean?
It's done all the time to make sure his posts are always on top , Why? It's a sickness .
I don't have a problem with his posting topics like some do I have a problem on how every day he rehashes his so they are like you describe. I usually come on during the day and done by 3-4 looking at the forum until the next morning. I've seen 69-70 topics I missed because the time they were posted and the time I would get back to the forum they were no longer "recent topics" because of one individual. I have many Florida car show/ cruises/ coffee events memorized by seeing then day after day in the recent posts part on the main page. Anyone else feel the same way?
Yes. To me that is the point of this thread.
The poster you are referring to, views his posts as a positive thing to this forum while remaining relatively harmless to the community.
Just the fact that this thread continues to be a reflection against one poster in particular, simply by the shear quantity of "make it stop" reactions by 5 pages of posts proves to me, or at least is a very strong indication that something should be done to prohibit his further posts/damage, for the overall good of this community.
His absence is not going to create an unfillable void here.
Why that is so difficult to see by the moderator is just unrecognizable to me and to many others that have posted here in this thread?
To continue my thought on that, I am wondering if it is the moderator that is the ultimate problem here and perhaps replacing that concept with something else should seriously be considered?
How was the Captain Dave problem handled as it worked?
Thanks for all the input.
A displayed post count is an intrinsic of the Forum template. Its purpose is to simply add credibility to respondents, indicating a veteran forum status.
Unlike other forums, there is no extra benefit to having an elevated post count here.
Some seem to think it is a negative motivator... so we'll see if it can be blanked out
Ron
"Recent Post" comment.
You might want to try what I do on this forum, and as many others I can if they support it. I ignore the "Recent Post" thing that pops up on many forums as a default. I go and find the "Unread Posts since last visit" and click that. Then I see a list of new posts which I've not seen. Recent Posts shows stuff that I've already seen, but still falls in the forum software definition of "Recent". I find if I get on every day, unless there has been a spammer on, the list is one page. Maybe once a week it will show there is a second page. In a few minutes, I can scan down and open the ones that I've posted in or that I have an interest in. Some are updated daily (car photos, photos of CS). I click and read the ones I wish. Which removes them from my list. Once I've look at everything, I find the "Mark All Posts Read" and click that. Do that so when you next get on, you only see what changed since your last visit. If it doesn't interest you, just don't read it and by "Mark All Posts Read" it will be gone, unless it gets updated again.
Quote from: Special Ed on September 16, 2023, 10:19:17 AM
How was the Captain Dave problem handled as it worked?
His feelings eventually got hurt. He left and never came back.
I was told by another member that still is close to him, that he blamed me for orchestrating it. I am not that influential.
Quote from: shelbydoug on September 16, 2023, 05:26:41 PM
Quote from: Special Ed on September 16, 2023, 10:19:17 AM
How was the Captain Dave problem handled as it worked?
His feelings eventually got hurt. He left and never came back.
The current one has no feelings so it's business as usual . What would posses someone to still continue the same noncence seeing that so many people don't like what you do ????
Quote from: Lincoln tech on September 16, 2023, 05:48:51 PM
Quote from: shelbydoug on September 16, 2023, 05:26:41 PM
Quote from: Special Ed on September 16, 2023, 10:19:17 AM
How was the Captain Dave problem handled as it worked?
His feelings eventually got hurt. He left and never came back.
The current one has no feelings so it's business as usual . What would posses someone to still continue the same noncence seeing that so many people don't like what you do ????
Narcissism.
Six pages of posts about the problem child we all know who it is and Still no action . must be an inside deal made with the devil .
Quote from: gt350shelb on September 16, 2023, 09:25:19 PM
Six pages of posts about the problem child we all know who it is and Still no action . must be an inside deal made with the devil .
"Point of order". The original post does not deal with having someone banned or blocked. It only deals with blocking the view of post totals.
Therefore no response to blocking someone specifically is seen as necessary or even acknowledged.
It would seem that some certain individual here has some type of hold over the authorities involved.
I'm more likely to be censured here for posting this then "Mr.Popularity" is.
Quote from: gt350shelb on September 16, 2023, 09:25:19 PM
Six pages of posts about the problem child we all know who it is and Still no action . must be an inside deal made with the devil .
Or he has naked pictures of someone in the upper management :-\
Quote from: Lincoln tech on September 17, 2023, 08:36:36 AM
Quote from: gt350shelb on September 16, 2023, 09:25:19 PM
Six pages of posts about the problem child we all know who it is and Still no action . must be an inside deal made with the devil .
Or he has naked pictures of someone in the upper management :-\
yep
The forum has promised to address these issues before....
Guys, These is a 'rule' posted from one of the moderators that says (I will paraphrase) : spammers, and trolls will be removed/banned. We all know WHO is the problem. So, why is the 'problem' not removed?
That said, some prolific posters are paid 5 cents per post. Yahoo is filled with them. I assume our local 'problem' member is the same....as he touts is 'view count'.
perhaps its time for forum 3.0 with real moderators . and no trolls
I wonder if we could put in a field that says "Ignored by X# members". I had responded to the troll earlier but have since deleted it and him.
Now all I see is - You are ignoring this user. Show me the post.
This is the link posted by Bill who started this thread:
"Facebook's description pretty well sums it up:
An "Internet troll" or "Forum Troll" is a person who posts outrageous message to bait people to answer. Trolls delight in sowing discord on the forums. A troll is someone who inspires flaming rhetoric, someone who is purposely provoking and pulling people into flaming discussion.
Signs Someone Is Trolling by howtogeekdotcom
It can sometimes become difficult to tell the difference between a troll and someone who just genuinely wants to argue about a topic. However, here are a few tell-tale signs that someone is actively trolling.
Off-topic remarks: Completely going off-topic from the subject at hand. This is done to annoy and disrupt other posters.
Refusal to acknowledge evidence: Even when presented with hard, cold facts, they ignore this and pretend like they never saw it.
Dismissive, condescending tone: An early indicator of a troll was that they would ask an angry responder, "Why you mad, bro?" This is a method done to provoke someone even more, as a way of dismissing their argument altogether.
Use of unrelated images or memes: They reply to others with memes, images, and gifs. This is especially true if done in response to a very long text post.
Seeming obliviousness: They seem oblivious that most people are in disagreement with them. Also, trolls rarely get mad or provoked.
The list above is by no means definitive. There are a lot of other ways to identify that someone is trolling. Generally, if someone seems disingenuous, uninterested in a real discussion, and provocative on purpose, they're likely an internet troll."
Sounds like the 'problem' member we are all speaking about...
Thanks for posting that official definition.
What I don't understand is why anyone would get a rush from being a troll. Are they that anti-social? Is it that much fun to f-up other people's questions and conversations? Seriously, WTF?
Not to mention the time and effort it takes to be a dedicated pain-in-the-ass troll. I check the forum twice a day, on an average day. But sometimes not for several days, or for a week if I'm away on a trip. How much time does a career troll spend? Gotta be hours per day, 365.
Don't they have any sort of a life outside of trolling? I don't have enough time in my day to get half the things done that I'd like to.
I'd vote for establishing a Forum 3.0. With stricter rules of decorum and swift blocking and/or banishment for flagrant repeat offenders.
But, with continued latitude for Lounge topics that are funny and not-Shelby-related.
Get rid of the post count.
Keep the ability to put Years of SAAC Membership on one's profile or signature line.
Anything else?
Even after dozens of complaints by members, nothing will be done. The "moderator" is not capable and has lost control.
Quote from: Coralsnake on September 18, 2023, 08:10:37 AM
Even after dozens of complaints by members, nothing will be done. The "moderator" is not capable and has lost control.
He is quite capable and is in control. He just doesn't want to do it. To him listening to us is letting the inmates run the asylum. That will never change.
There are a number of issues here that just will never be dealt with. Perhaps he is right but I don't see that as a possibility. Then again, my view does not count either so don't get all upset about yours not counting either.
Someone asked why would someone relish in what they do to annoy others? Ever listen to Dennis Leary's A^^hole song? Why do people piss on toilet seats? Drive slow in the fast lane?
Guys,
FWIW, in the last 10 topic threads, 7 of them were started by, and answered by our 'problem' member. Talk about a spammer troll...
I tried implementing the suggestion by S2MS in Post #68 for "ignoring" posts by individuals. I must have done something wrong as our man from Florida's posts keep appearing.
What did I do wrong?
Thanx
Frank
Quote from: OldGuy on September 18, 2023, 11:17:56 AM
I tried implementing the suggestion by S2MS in Post #68 for "ignoring" posts by individuals. I must have done something wrong as our man from Florida's posts keep appearing.
What did I do wrong?
Thanx
Frank
........from another graybeard.......I also followed the directions and nothing has changed.
I am wondering if you need to do a restart?
Quote from: shelbydoug on September 18, 2023, 01:22:50 PM
I am wondering if you need to do a restart?
If by "restart", you mean log off the forum then sign in.....yes, did that several times. Even looked back to see if the name was still on the ignor list...it is.
Something needs a reboot.
Carefully go in and check each step in those pasted views above. Then type in the forum/screen name of the person you wish to "mute". It should autofill as you type it in. Then read that screen carefully. I don't have a way to "do over" right now but there was a step to doing it. I then backed up to my "Profile" and went back in and the person I'd put in, did show up in the list of Ignore.
Now when I go to "recent posts", the threads/topics do show up. However each of the people on the "Ignore" list, their posts shows up but it's simply a hot link that they are Muted and "Click here to see it".
So you still see the post in lists and such, just not the actual post the muted person posted, unless you click to view.
Hope that helps.
Quote from: gt350shelb on September 17, 2023, 09:27:40 PM
perhaps its time for forum 3.0 with real moderators . and no trolls
+1
Just trying to increase my post count. ;D
Moderator, please do your job and get rid of the troll, it's clear he needs to go.
This morning....
No one should throw rocks in glass houses! It has been splained to me you have an equal addiction to nonsensical posts over at Bring a Trailer. :-[ Give it a break...
Quote from: 427heaven on September 19, 2023, 10:30:13 AM
No one should throw rocks in glass houses! It has been splained to me you have an equal addiction to nonsensical posts over at Bring a Trailer. :-[ Give it a break...
why not go and see how often I post. Here, I'll give you a link. 8 posts in the last 9 days so instead of being one of them throwing stones at people on "what you heard" get off your a$$ and research before you attack. https://bringatrailer.com/member/shelbymann70/
do the math you will see my history is 1.8 posts a day over 6 years. Is that an addiction? I think not.
I am mostly a novice observer trying to learn more about these cars by watching the Forum daily. I also watch these cars on BaT and have bought a few on BaT. I am familiar with shelbymann1970 first by his Mustang specific comments on BaT and later on the Forum after I joined SAAC. He joins a long list of none bidders on BaT who are often criticized for commenting. However I have learned so much from those who have shared. I follow their comments with research of my own. That's what fascinates and interests me. Personally nonsensical is not the word I would use to describe the comments from anyone in the group I mention. I will ignore anything I don't like but hope most of these comments continue.
If I may, I have been on forums, like most people here for over 15 years ranging from the mild like All Ford Mustangs and The Mustang Source to the more extreme like S197forum and Yellow Bullet. I think removing post counts is a +/- situation kinda. While all the regulars and those who are in the SAAC community know who the guys are with some great knowledge and information, most "newbies" or internet sleuths have no idea who any of you are. The post counts give a gauge of the knowledge or experience of an individual poster on certain topics and we can all debate on how correct that metric might be. For the supposed suspect I would say that the frequency of posting is less about spamming or trolling and more about sharing a passion and we have all seen how those who can be overexuberant and cross the line into annoying or unbearable. Without quoting every post, I think the idea of seeing unread threads is a great idea and I have done that multiple times in my years to see what topics interest me. Also, the issue brought up with making for-sale posts would still be triggered by post count, we just wouldn't see it on our side, but on the technical side, it would still exist. Also, as a moderator on other forums in the past, there is nothing that would cross the line with the suspected over-poster that would warrant removal. The nice thing is that in an age of forums dying as Facebook groups have become the norm, having someone continuously post and keep topics of discussion going, even if it is for a nonsense comment, still makes it look like a forum is more active than it might be. As a 35-year-old future Shelby owner, I came here looking for knowledge, and seeing that the forum is still alive and doing well is nice for me considering the forums that I frequented have died off I think this is a good thing to see an active forum, but I don't think removing the post count is going to solve the supposed problem, only make it harder for some people to help a stalker discern who is someone they should listen to when they run into a problem vs. who they shouldn't be listening to. I think the idea about SAAC members since XXXX might help with that and if people think are looking to create posts just to up an arbitrary number, I think that might be a good solution to the issue.
Quote from: OldGuy on September 13, 2023, 01:14:29 PM
There are many well-thought-out comments that have been submitted in a diplomatic manner. I personally feel that removing member post counts is a disservice to those whom I truly respect and consider the underpinnings of this forum and the technical knowledge/history of all things Shelby. Their post count should be even higher as far as I'm concerned.
On the other hand, I don't appreciate all the clutter (like what's happening in Florida every five minutes) that appears for no other apparent reason than to boost post count. I personally will not even open posts from repeat offenders as they serve no useful purpose, in my opinion. If I've offended a frequent Florida poster with my input, too bad. I chose to NOT be diplomatic with my comment. Sometimes the message gets buried.
Frank
As mentioned before, you can also block whoever you choose so you see fewer of those posts. I think if you could block certain regional posts, that would also be of benefit.
Sean W
we should pin this post to the top so it does not get removed again .
Quote from: gt350shelb on September 19, 2023, 10:18:12 PM
we should pin this post to the top so it does not get removed again .
^^^ DEFINITELY! How do we do that?
Ask the moderator who is ignoring the post and trying to appease people, by saying "we will check into it"
He is the one that has the ability.
+1
Quote from: Coralsnake on September 20, 2023, 05:41:43 AM
Ask the moderator who is ignoring the post and trying to appease people, by saying "we will check into it"
He is the one that has the ability.
Nothing is gong to change.
Thanks for all the feedback...points have been made.
Oh
.. cheap shots don't help things one bit.