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Started by gt350shelb, January 10, 2026, 12:10:43 PM

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Coralsnake

Any objective person that looks at that list realizes it's not the original car.

Some people like to live in fantasy land
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I'm looking for 9F02M480004. Have you seen it?

roger

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Quote from: Coralsnake on January 12, 2026, 07:09:36 AMHeres the video of Kevin inspecting the car.
All I'll say that it is easy and possible to fake the VIN on a car of that era. It would be more believable if it was inspected as found. https://restostamps.com/collections/all/mustang-stamps?srsltid=AfmBOoqK4IIqMBge1UCuKnmjivU0GxpJUUNCwPn7z2U-MLqjjXB3jmTS
Find a wreck. Change the VIN and add some known tells. Then let it sit for a couple years so the changes weather and presto a $200 wreck becomes a multi million dollar car.
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Mustang_Charlie

And compare the VIN stamp on the restored car, to the pic of the "original " on the carcus.  I don't think it was cut out and welded in.

J_Speegle

Quote from: Mustang_Charlie on January 13, 2026, 03:15:16 PMAnd compare the VIN stamp on the restored car, to the pic of the "original " on the carcus.  I don't think it was cut out and welded in.

Without seeing it in person, examining all sorts of details, welds and other details then finally stripping the areas down to bare metal then processing the metal at that point I would not be so sure. But we all have our opinions since few of us have seen the car up close. There some old tricks as well as some modern machines than could be very helpful in measuring unseen details being used in some countries for things like this as I understand it.

As an observation, in the "after" picture of the VIN we lack the landmarks shown in the "before" picture.
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98SVT - was 06GT

Quote from: J_Speegle on January 13, 2026, 06:20:43 PMWithout seeing it in person, examining all sorts of details, welds and other details then finally stripping the areas down to bare metal then processing the metal at that point I would not be so sure.
This guy is an artist at welding 2 pieces together and finishing so it's virtually undetectable. He's chopping a 32 Tudor. The metal work could be left unfinished and it looks factory.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZsH7BGvLJAE?feature=share
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J_Speegle

Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on January 13, 2026, 07:37:43 PMThis guy is an artist at welding 2 pieces together and finishing so it's virtually undetectable. He's chopping a 32 Tudor. The metal work could be left unfinished and it looks factory.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZsH7BGvLJAE?feature=share

Yes  some are great at doing things like that, working in the past with some law enforcement agencies and auto thief tasks forces I've witnessed some that were invisible to the naked eyes before other processes were used to see evidence of the work performed. Of course there is a lot of other details to check and use for evidence that should be collected and considered during the process. With this particular car we are discussing so much of that is evident. IMO its not just one but all the features and details that hopefully provide a picture and parts of the puzzle (read the whole) that make up a car. The total collection is very helpful when investigating a repaired, clipped, sectioned, rebuilt or rebodied vehicle.

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Coralsnake

There are dyes and acids that can bring up numbers that have been ground off and expose welds that are not visible to the eye
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I'm looking for 9F02M480004. Have you seen it?

gt350shelb

unless the  numbers being transferred are in  pristine condition  the hardest thing is the inconsistency in 2 different  materiaial  the grain of the steel does not match /or the condition of the the 2 panels  that aged at different rates in different places .
Some where some one is driving their collector car for the last time but they don't know it . Drive your car every time like it could be the last memory of it .

TransamEd

I had been in touch years ago with the OMNIA team, which did actually a professional paint inspection on 559. They do top-level car inspection for expensive cars.
https://omnia-online.jimdofree.com/bullitt-analyse/

They have been helpful to the McQueen trust in more cases meanwhile (like a claimed 69 "Blue Lady" some years ago), so I would expect that they are called in in time once it goes on sale with any relation to the known names.


Coralsnake

Since this one is a little less than the real "Bullitt" we should just call it "Bull"
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I'm looking for 9F02M480004. Have you seen it?

Chris Thauberger

Quote from: Coralsnake on January 14, 2026, 08:57:29 AMSince this one is a little less than the real "Bullitt" we should just call it "Bull"

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Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on January 13, 2026, 07:37:43 PM
Quote from: J_Speegle on January 13, 2026, 06:20:43 PMWithout seeing it in person, examining all sorts of details, welds and other details then finally stripping the areas down to bare metal then processing the metal at that point I would not be so sure.
This guy is an artist at welding 2 pieces together and finishing so it's virtually undetectable. He's chopping a 32 Tudor. The metal work could be left unfinished and it looks factory.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZsH7BGvLJAE?feature=share

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Quote from: TransamEd on January 14, 2026, 06:07:13 AM....OMNIA team, which did actually a professional paint inspection on 559. They do top-level car inspection for expensive cars.

They may be able to do the science but fail on research.
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shelbydoug

It has always been controversial to say the least about what is the "original" car.

If this one was the "stunt car" that essentially got wrecked, should it have been left alone as much as it could be?

I'm thinking of all of the "other cars". The Boss', the Shelby's, the Cobras, etc, that have been"restored to original". As if that ever could be 100% accurate.

It is only original once. Everything after that is essentially a "caricature" of the original.

As pointed out, it likely will find a buyer for the way it is now and it will be appreciated as such.

I'd speculate that the new owner is not in this discussion group. I can confirm that it is absolutely not me.
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