9F02R480441 on BAT

[TA Coupe]

2 years from now, it will seem like a more insane deal or possibly it will then seem like a good deal. Not everyone cares about paint marks and part numbers, and if the person can afford to buy this car and be happy with it, then be happy for them and quit tearing down the car.

      Roy

[Coralsnake]

I just want to be clear. Are you defending the quality of workmanship on this car? Or does that not matter to you?

Why are paint marks important to this conversation?


Should I be happy for someone that I feel just made a terrible decision?

[TLea]

if the person can afford to buy this car and be happy with it, then be happy for them and quit tearing down the car.

      Roy

I guess I've been doing it all wrong making cars correct all these years. I could have just been screwing quarter panels on with sheet metal screws and making people happy 

[Coralsnake]

I get it people have different opinions.

However, not everyone gets a trophy.

You can not defend a restoration shop screwing quarter panel skins on a six figure car.

I'm sorry if you have to learn that the hard way, but thats my point. There are people that will help you.

[Mikelj5S230]

Yes, I see the same kind of angst, frustration, and consternation in my Corvette world these days. The older people, like me, who have been judged, been judges, and taught and experienced in the "correct" way to do things and fixated on "originality" and "correctness" see things that just curl our hair. I judged some cars at our Frisco, Texas NCRS regional meet a couple of weeks ago in our new "Open" Class of judging, where originality and decades of experience and research on a standard of "as delivered from the factory" means absolutely nothing. The old guard was totally confused and some angry about cars not even remotely based on that standard being allowed and winning awards.

Likewise with the current restomod craze, where beat up, trashed out, non-original (and some original) drivetrain cars are having the bodies being yanked off frames and used for a $250K-$350K car, like the iconic '63 SWC, so things like this sell for near $100K these days.

The younger folks not trained, schooled, and experienced in our "all correct, all original" ways are setting up a market these days that focuses more on cars and coffee, and local car shows than organized judging like SAAC and NCRS do. They are proud of their cars and are quite willing to ignore the "correct" way and just enjoy their cars in their own way and pay 6 figures to do it, as they can afford it and most couldn't care less about resale, investment values, etc. We need to get used to it, they are the ones driving the market today, not us.

[Special Ed]

Who said the 69 shelby market was soft haha now we got a good comp!!!!!

[J_Speegle]

Who said the 69 shelby market was soft haha now we got a good comp!!!!!

Not sure if you've ever owned or built a car on the same level as the one in the auction being discussed

[Coralsnake]

Ed, if you need a box of self drilling screws, I think I have one here somewhere.

😂

"The car that will live in infamy"

[Special Ed]

Well you know it did have a shelby signed glove box door AND the dreaded caution fan sticker HAHA. I just looked at the restoration photos and some photos show a early smooth lh front apron and other photos show a later ribbed lh apron  and notice the A/C vaccum can holes under rh hinge area. Some pictures may have got mixed up with another car.

[Coralsnake]

Look closely at the pictures that show the fuel tank vent pipe

The owner says the pictures are all the same car. The final version has the apron features you spoke of...someone boogered it hard

[tesgt350]

Yes, I see the same kind of angst, frustration, and consternation in my Corvette world these days. The older people, like me, who have been judged, been judges, and taught and experienced in the "correct" way to do things and fixated on "originality" and "correctness" see things that just curl our hair. I judged some cars at our Frisco, Texas NCRS regional meet a couple of weeks ago in our new "Open" Class of judging, where originality and decades of experience and research on a standard of "as delivered from the factory" means absolutely nothing. The old guard was totally confused and some angry about cars not even remotely based on that standard being allowed and winning awards.

Likewise with the current restomod craze, where beat up, trashed out, non-original (and some original) drivetrain cars are having the bodies being yanked off frames and used for a $250K-$350K car, like the iconic '63 SWC, so things like this sell for near $100K these days.

The younger folks not trained, schooled, and experienced in our "all correct, all original" ways are setting up a market these days that focuses more on cars and coffee, and local car shows than organized judging like SAAC and NCRS do. They are proud of their cars and are quite willing to ignore the "correct" way and just enjoy their cars in their own way and pay 6 figures to do it, as they can afford it and most couldn't care less about resale, investment values, etc. We need to get used to it, they are the ones driving the market today, not us.

My Rebuttal to that.  Back in the Beginning when the Cobras and the Shelby Mustangs were first built, I have many Photos (some where) of those Cars back in the 60's and 70's as I am sure many of you have, where those Cars have been highly Modifies and Customized, including Engine Swaps.  It was the thing to do at the time.  Now, I know that THAT still happens to some of the First Gen Shelby Mustangs for Track Use and even for the Car Shows, Color Changes, Interior Changes, Engine Mods and Swaps, Suspension Up Grades and even Wheels & Tires.  I will even bet that it will still happen 20 Years from now, as long as the Cars are affordable, the Mods will continue. 

[Survivor]

Ah yes, the old right vs. wrong, correct vs. incorrect and factory correct vs. well, I'm not sure what.  True enough that a buyer, if they can afford it, gets what they get-knowingly or not.  It's their money.  Now, for the purist, looking at cars that may not be "right", "correct" or "factory correct" is like that itch you just can't scratch.  It can drive you nuts-especially when you see the price(s) they command.  That aside, I still find the comments and insights, for the most part, on point and helpful.  You just have to cut thru the bs.  There are factory publications, judging standards and very knowledgeable pp in place that tell us, show us and guide us as to what is believed to be "the way" these cars were built.  Some pay attention and care and some don't.  Some will say a non-matching number engine does not affect value and some feel otherwise.  Same thing with color, interior etc.  There is one thing, however, that I feel we should all care about or at the very least consider: the standards in place including the pp who have devoted their time and knowledge to document and share them, deserve our thanks.  Buyers can then decide what to do with it.  Perhaps a bit vauge and obtuse, but you get the point... 

[Mikelj5S230]

There is one thing, however, that I feel we should all care about or at the very least consider: the standards in place including the pp who have devoted their time and knowledge to document and share them, deserve our thanks.  Buyers can then decide what to do with it.  Perhaps a bit vauge and obtuse, but you get the point...

I agree, and I thank them (me being one in the Corvette world) for their efforts. However, when it comes to buying a car these days, IMO, there are fewer and fewer people who want to pay for the highest level of perfection and "correctness". "Incorrect" fasteners, rivets, over spray, etc. do not contribute to the driving enjoyment of most of the new buyers of these cars, and most will never have them judged by the gurus who know all things about being "correct", so who cares?

[Coralsnake]

To be clear this post has never been about correctness or paint marks.

It is about workmanship. Im quite certain several people that have responded here and on BaT have asked for assistance when buying a car.

This car was advertised as a professional restoration.

In my book, cars that are professionally restored do not have quarter skins screwed on the body. That is just the most egregious thing, there are others as pointed out previously. 

Just my take, apparently some are okay with that.

Its another level way beyond a fan shroud decal.