BaT debate

[Coralsnake]

Should I judge these two cars? Based on the photographs?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-ford-shelby-mustang-gt500kr-convertible-4/


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-shelby-mustang-gt500kr-convertible-9/

[Corey Bowcutt]

I would love to know why one went for $100K more than the other.  Your opinion is one of the ones that matters at least to me.  So I vote yes please.

Corey

[69gtconv]

Yes, please.

[Coralsnake]

Alright I will get to work on that 😉

[Special Ed]

Wow so a/c. auto lemans stripes woth 100.000 more on a driver car vs a correctly restored 4 speed?

[KDunne]

yes

[Royce Peterson]

AC is important if you live in Oklahoma or Texas - not so much if you live in Indiana. Maybe the buyer could not drive a manual transmission - the price paid is more reflective on the buyer than the car I think.

[greekz]

Maybe the buyer could not drive a manual transmission - the price paid is more reflective on the buyer than the car I think.

I would agree.  If the car checks all of the boxes, and money is no object, someone is going to pay what it takes to buy the car.

As for the stripes, when I drive my '66, I still get asked why I do not have Le Mans stripes.  I tell them it came without stripes.  They seem surprised as they think all Shelbys came with stripes.

[Bob Gaines]

Maybe the buyer could not drive a manual transmission - the price paid is more reflective on the buyer than the car I think.

I would agree.  If the car checks all of the boxes, and money is no object, someone is going to pay what it takes to buy the car.

As for the stripes, when I drive my '66, I still get asked why I do not have Le Mans stripes.  I tell them it came without stripes.  They seem surprised as they think all Shelbys came with stripes.

That has been going on for at least the early 70's. I remember the first time getting asked the same question when in line at a self car wash with a stripe-less 66 back in 1972 . The know it all insisted it wasn't a Shelby because it didn't have the stripes. Without a word I walked to the front and opened the hood. I pointed to the Shelby tag.  He walked off mumbling to himself .

[shelbydoug]

Maybe the buyer could not drive a manual transmission - the price paid is more reflective on the buyer than the car I think.

I would agree.  If the car checks all of the boxes, and money is no object, someone is going to pay what it takes to buy the car.

As for the stripes, when I drive my '66, I still get asked why I do not have Le Mans stripes.  I tell them it came without stripes.  They seem surprised as they think all Shelbys came with stripes.

That has been going on for at least the early 70's. I remember the first time getting asked the same question when in line at a self car wash with a stripe-less 66 back in 1972 . The know it all insisted it wasn't a Shelby because it didn't have the stripes. Without a word I walked to the front and opened the hood. I pointed to the Shelby tag.  He walked off mumbling to himself .

"The people in the cheap seats yell the loudest".

I personally have had three reactions that I can remember when with the car. 1) "Where did YOU get THAT?" (it was the prize in a box of Cracker Jacks)
2)"Do you know what that is?" (No. Do you?)
3) "Is that real?" (No. It is a blow up toy).

Considering that most inquiring about the car weren't even born yet when the car was new, I'm annoyed that the most common question now is if it is real? Is this a "clone"? Like the person asking would know or could tell?

I've noticed that the term "stripe delete" has become very common in car descriptions as of recent.
I suppose it sounds authoritative?

The only thing that is more annoying is Susan Waldman (a NY Yankee radio sports broadcaster) describing how the feel of the baseball seams is so important to throwing a good live curve ball. Like she would know? So it hurts your elbow too right Susan?

[QuickSilverShelby]

I vote "yes" too.  In fact, if I was in the market for a 68, I might need Pete's opinion before I was to make a purchase decision.  I know allot about 68's but it's probably only 10% of what Pete knows.

QSS

[Bill Collins]

Maybe the buyer could not drive a manual transmission - the price paid is more reflective on the buyer than the car I think.

I would agree.  If the car checks all of the boxes, and money is no object, someone is going to pay what it takes to buy the car.

As for the stripes, when I drive my '66, I still get asked why I do not have Le Mans stripes.  I tell them it came without stripes.  They seem surprised as they think all Shelbys came with stripes.

That has been going on for at least the early 70's. I remember the first time getting asked the same question when in line at a self car wash with a stripe-less 66 back in 1972 . The know it all insisted it wasn't a Shelby because it didn't have the stripes. Without a word I walked to the front and opened the hood. I pointed to the Shelby tag.  He walked off mumbling to himself .

Reminds me of a similar experience with an "expert" who approached me while I was out sometime in the 1970's or 80's with my '65 350 #006. He insisted that it couldn't be a real Shelby because it had the louvres in the rear quarter panels rather than windows.

[Coralsnake]

I have completed the analysis

First, I dont pretend to be a "know it all" this is just my opinion. Normally cars are judged by a team and they tend to give and take.

I tried to be as fair as possible. I compared both cars and made sure my scoring was consistent.

If I could not see a particular item the car was given full points for it.

Operational checks - I assume everything worked on both cars.

I did not judge cleanliness or workmanship (see below)

Because the cars are different they have different point scoring.

[Coralsnake]

Here is the analysis:

Car # 3544  I scored this cars parts at 831/881 or 94%

The workmanship is 1/3 of the points, so more than likely the score would drop, placing this car as a solid bronze or very low silver in my opinion.

Car # 3693  I scored this cars parts at 784/896 or 88%

Workmanship is 1/3 of the points, so more than likely the score would drop, placing this car as a low bronze or possible not placing at all.

I appreciate all the comments.

[GT350Nick]

My one comment:

I'm not saying pictures are worth $100k, but that first car sure did it right. Those professional photographs really presented that car as being very special.