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Wheel well sealer

Started by cob428, June 01, 2025, 10:14:14 AM

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cob428

Jeff here is a picture of the passenger side it appears to be the same as drivers. I will go with the options.you have sent me.

Thanks for all your input.

Pete

cob428

Ok How about some critique,l know , l know, dolly marks are next.

Bob Gaines

There should be stripe material folded over through side marker hole as triangle shaped tabs.
Bob Gaines,Shelby Enthusiast, Shelby Collector , Shelby Concours judge SAAC,MCA,Mid America Shelby

cob428

Got it, have a couple extra white stripes so,shouldn't be an issue.

Pete

J_Speegle

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Quote from: cob428 on June 27, 2025, 04:42:30 PMOk How about some critique,l know , l know, dolly marks are next.

Would start off sharing that we often see the wheel well to trunk floors with what appears to be a two step sealant application. The first a very close or tight pattern just along that lower seam with tight narrow "waves" in the product. Then a much wider spray pattern in an application that included the second pass the other seams we see in the pictures.  Some times the top coat is thicker so it hides the earlier tight/narrow pattern from view.

Picture three - Not going to seal around the Mustang/spare tie mounting bracket? Its would also hide the sealant you brushed around the bracket also that doesn't look original. This area is not always sprayed for some reason but it would hide that other sealant you applied

On the bottom picture showing the rear bumper support bracket the spray would have continued in to the seam between the floor and the rear lower panel to cover right to below where the gas tank would mount and seal that seem.

Over all looks like a light application of the product compared to some but has the texture that should get the application little notice once painted. For others considering this thing about how it would have been sprayed and what an application like that results in for the final look. If using a brush practice trying to apply in waves so that you get build up by tilting the brush as you lift and remove it front the surface working from where the spray application would have began to its end

And since this all gets covered with body color you might (since your sort of faking this) consider spraying the area at the dolly tie downs with a bare metal, like stainless steel, spray paint then place something over that has the right diameter and that sticks up maybe a 1/8 to 1'4 inch that will stay in place when you respray the body color. In this way you will get a softer paint edge and not a sharp one that someone would faking the dolly mark using simple masking tape or something similar.

Just a thoughts and some feedback. NOT picking on you or your work. Hope this helps you and others as they look forward to the process.

Edited for clarity and additional observations
Jeff Speegle- Mustang & Shelby detail collector, ConcoursMustang.com mentor :) and Judge

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cob428

Quote from: J_Speegle on June 27, 2025, 05:45:29 PM
Quote from: cob428 on June 27, 2025, 04:42:30 PMOk How about some critique,l know , l know, dolly marks are next.

Would start off sharing that we often see the wheel well to trunk floors with what appears to be a two step sealant application. The first a very close or tight pattern just along that lower seam with tight narrow "waves" in the product. Then a much wider spray pattern in an application that included the second pass the other seams we see in the pictures.  Some times the top coat is thicker so it hides the earlier tight/narrow pattern from view.

Picture three - Not going to seal around the Mustang/spare tie mounting bracket? Its would also hide the sealant you brushed around the bracket also that doesn't look original. This area is not always sprayed for some reason but it would hide that other sealant you applied

On the bottom picture showing the rear bumper support bracket the spray would have continued in to the seam between the floor and the rear lower panel to cover right to below where the gas tank would mount and seal that seem.

Over all looks like a light application of the product compared to some but has the texture that should get the application little notice once painted. For others considering this thing about how it would have been sprayed and what an application like that results in for the final look. If using a brush practice trying to apply in waves so that you get build up by tilting the brush as you lift and remove it front the surface working from where the spray application would have began to its end

And since this all gets covered with body color you might (since your sort of faking this) consider spraying the area at the dolly tie downs with a bare metal, like stainless steel, spray paint then place something over that has the right diameter and that sticks up maybe a 1/8 to 1'4 inch that will stay in place when you respray the body color. In this way you will get a softer paint edge and not a sharp one that someone would faking the dolly mark using simple masking tape or something similar.

Just a thoughts and some feedback. NOT picking on you or your work. Hope this helps you and others as they look forward to the process.

Edited for clarity and additional observations
Quote from: J_Speegle on June 27, 2025, 05:45:29 PM
Quote from: cob428 on June 27, 2025, 04:42:30 PMOk How about some critique,l know , l know, dolly marks are next.

Would start off sharing that we often see the wheel well to trunk floors with what appears to be a two step sealant application. The first a very close or tight pattern just along that lower seam with tight narrow "waves" in the product. Then a much wider spray pattern in an application that included the second pass the other seams we see in the pictures.  Some times the top coat is thicker so it hides the earlier tight/narrow pattern from view.

Picture three - Not going to seal around the Mustang/spare tie mounting bracket? Its would also hide the sealant you brushed around the bracket also that doesn't look original. This area is not always sprayed for some reason but it would hide that other sealant you applied

On the bottom picture showing the rear bumper support bracket the spray would have continued in to the seam between the floor and the rear lower panel to cover right to below where the gas tank would mount and seal that seem.

Over all looks like a light application of the product compared to some but has the texture that should get the application little notice once painted. For others considering this thing about how it would have been sprayed and what an application like that results in for the final look. If using a brush practice trying to apply in waves so that you get build up by tilting the brush as you lift and remove it front the surface working from where the spray application would have began to its end

And since this all gets covered with body color you might (since your sort of faking this) consider spraying the area at the dolly tie downs with a bare metal, like stainless steel, spray paint then place something over that has the right diameter and that sticks up maybe a 1/8 to 1'4 inch that will stay in place when you respray the body color. In this way you will get a softer paint edge and not a sharp one that someone would faking the dolly mark using simple masking tape or something similar.

Just a thoughts and some feedback. NOT picking on you or your work. Hope this helps you and others as they look forward to the process.

Edited for clarity and additional observations
Quote from: Coralsnake on June 27, 2025, 05:55:12 PMBoss
Quote from: J_Speegle on June 27, 2025, 05:45:29 PM
Quote from: cob428 on June 27, 2025, 04:42:30 PMOk How about some critique,l know , l know, dolly marks are next.

Would start off sharing that we often see the wheel well to trunk floors with what appears to be a two step sealant application. The first a very close or tight pattern just along that lower seam with tight narrow "waves" in the product. Then a much wider spray pattern in an application that included the second pass the other seams we see in the pictures.  Some times the top coat is thicker so it hides the earlier tight/narrow pattern from view.

Picture three - Not going to seal around the Mustang/spare tie mounting bracket? Its would also hide the sealant you brushed around the bracket also that doesn't look original. This area is not always sprayed for some reason but it would hide that other sealant you applied

On the bottom picture showing the rear bumper support bracket the spray would have continued in to the seam between the floor and the rear lower panel to cover right to below where the gas tank would mount and seal that seem.

Over all looks like a light application of the product compared to some but has the texture that should get the application little notice once painted. For others considering this thing about how it would have been sprayed and what an application like that results in for the final look. If using a brush practice trying to apply in waves so that you get build up by tilting the brush as you lift and remove it front the surface working from where the spray application would have began to its end

And since this all gets covered with body color you might (since your sort of faking this) consider spraying the area at the dolly tie downs with a bare metal, like stainless steel, spray paint then place something over that has the right diameter and that sticks up maybe a 1/8 to 1'4 inch that will stay in place when you respray the body color. In this way you will get a softer paint edge and not a sharp one that someone would faking the dolly mark using simple masking tape or something similar.

Just a thoughts and some feedback. NOT picking on you or your work. Hope this helps you and others as they look forward to the process.

Edited for clarity and additional observations

Jeff your statement about the 3rd picture has me messed up.I am doing around the spare tire mounting bracket but not following what you are saying about the bumper bracket, sorry for the questioning.  Also I used spectrum product and did apply with a brush, trying to mimick the procedure from your article.
Pete

J_Speegle

Quote from: cob428 on June 27, 2025, 06:09:43 PMJeff your statement about the 3rd picture has me messed up.I am doing around the spare tire mounting bracket but not following what you are saying about the bumper bracket, sorry for the questioning.  Also I used spectrum product and did apply with a brush, trying to mimick the procedure from your article.
Pete

Ok maybe the following will help with this. IF not and I'm still coming across as confusing let me know and I'll try again

And yes I guessed by the look that you had seen my article and were likely using the same product.

A few pictures to illustrate my comments above


Pink arrow showing the tighter, narrower first sealant application step
Green arrow shows the beginning or end of possibly the first sealant application/pass with the wand held really close. We sometimes see this or a small daub of spray over the turn indicator control box mounting tab weld to trunk floor. This worker just tied them together





Passenger side trunk floor showing the rear corner sealant application to the gas tank mounting location. Done on both sides. Since the paint has lifted and only rust remains this is not a good picture to show the typical size of a dolly retainer mark



Jeff Speegle- Mustang & Shelby detail collector, ConcoursMustang.com mentor :) and Judge

cob428

Ok got it now thank you.

Pete

cob428

Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 27, 2025, 05:17:42 PMThere should be stripe material folded over through side marker hole as triangle shaped tabs.
Bob is that top, bottonnonly or all 4 sides.

Pete

Bob Gaines

Quote from: cob428 on June 28, 2025, 05:28:00 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 27, 2025, 05:17:42 PMThere should be stripe material folded over through side marker hole as triangle shaped tabs.
Bob is that top, bottonnonly or all 4 sides.

Pete
All 4 sides . A "X" was cut into the stripe and the pieces folded inward.
Bob Gaines,Shelby Enthusiast, Shelby Collector , Shelby Concours judge SAAC,MCA,Mid America Shelby

cob428

Are they glued onto the quarter or just laying there?

Pete

Bob Gaines

Quote from: cob428 on June 29, 2025, 08:00:25 PMAre they glued onto the quarter or just laying there?

Pete
The entire stripe had glue on it when it was cut and folded over.
Bob Gaines,Shelby Enthusiast, Shelby Collector , Shelby Concours judge SAAC,MCA,Mid America Shelby

cob428

Finished the sealer and starting the "paint oversparay" into the wheel well. Is the "overspray" more concentrated at the wheel lip side (more) and lighter towards the lower side?

Pete

Bob Gaines

It is hard to tell from the picture(lighting etc.) because it hardly shows any overspray color passed the upper lip. It typically showed up more pronounced.Given the green doesn't appear to show up in the lower picture it needs more. Don't over think the process. The assemblyline painters used guns that spray a lot of volume by contrast typical modern guns don't. Of course the base coat clear you are probably using doesn't cover as well like the assemblyline single stage did. You may have to improvise so as to get more visible color in that wheel well area.  Imagine how the assemblyline worker did the process with the high volume gun and working fast sprayed the lip with no concern about overspray on the wheel well side. Everything thing got a liberal dose of over spray. Of course it varied from one car to the next and from one painter to the next . There was typically a range of coverage .You would typically see some color in the lower picture too.I am sure Jeff will be along to show some pictures or if you don't want to wait you can go to the Concours Mustang site and look at examples in the unrestored threads by year.
Bob Gaines,Shelby Enthusiast, Shelby Collector , Shelby Concours judge SAAC,MCA,Mid America Shelby