Press Release- Rick Kopec retires from SAAC

[JohnSlack]

I think that you are avoiding dealing with the issue. That helps nothing.

I can certainly see why you'd say that. Constructive dialog here has a much more significant impact on things than you may realize.

The past is unchangeable, but the future is unwritten.

History is written by the victors, sometimes the bright light of Day blinds the passionate subjects who lamp unto the feet of Caesar. It prevents the masses from knowing that truth.


John

[shelbydoug]

Well Hope is mostly a good thing but should not be the plan but to me this is suggesting that this was a purge and it makes me wonder who in fact should be purged and who should not.

If we are quoting the views of the Emeperors of Rome, even they realized that it was the Mob of Rome that they needed the support of?

The "Board" is acting as if it has the protection of the "Praetorian Guard"? I wonder if that is in fact the case? "The Mob's support is fickle my brother".

As you suggest, some things are inevitable, but which inevitability are we dealing with now? Are YOU seeing that correctly? Will the 'Mob' eventually come for you too?

Is it inevitable that "all good things must come to an end"?

[Macstang]

Well Hope is mostly a good thing but should not be the plan but to me this is suggesting that this was a purge and it makes me wonder who in fact should be purged and who should not.
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Is it inevitable that "all good things must come to an end"?

Hey Doug,

I'm very inexperienced on this forum and I don't know enough to place the forum name to your actual name but I have now realized who you are! I remember something you once told me, it was a quote about digging holes, not sure if you remember it but it's something which stuck with me even after all these years. I hope you are doing well.

Ultimately we're all just humans and we do make mistakes sometimes. Two posts were removed, if the consensus is that you'd like them back I believe Ron has the ability to undelete. Removing them was not a unanimous decision and I think I've just flipped my opinion the other way.

Regardless of bringing them back or not, I can promise to you and everyone that all I want is success for our club, and harmony among us all. Not easy, but I strive to achieve it. I'm not sure that all good things must come to an end, but I'll say this, there are many good things which are worth fighting for and I'm in the ring for SAAC all the time.

[gt350shelb]

I don't think Ricks "retirement " was with out an underlying story. You dont miss your 50th anniversary because you are tired of the marriage  2 months before the celebration .     right shelblydoug

[shelbydoug]

Well Hope is mostly a good thing but should not be the plan but to me this is suggesting that this was a purge and it makes me wonder who in fact should be purged and who should not.
...
Is it inevitable that "all good things must come to an end"?

Hey Doug,

I'm very inexperienced on this forum and I don't know enough to place the forum name to your actual name but I have now realized who you are! I remember something you once told me, it was a quote about digging holes, not sure if you remember it but it's something which stuck with me even after all these years. I hope you are doing well.

Ultimately we're all just humans and we do make mistakes sometimes. Two posts were removed, if the consensus is that you'd like them back I believe Ron has the ability to undelete. Removing them was not a unanimous decision and I think I've just flipped my opinion the other way.

Regardless of bringing them back or not, I can promise to you and everyone that all I want is success for our club, and harmony among us all. Not easy, but I strive to achieve it. I'm not sure that all good things must come to an end, but I'll say this, there are many good things which are worth fighting for and I'm in the ring for SAAC all the time.

I'm not convinced that opening this all up to discussion is the best thing but I suspect that when Moderators are censoring public inquiries of other SAAC officials is not a good path to take at all?

As some might agree at least to have witnessed that sometimes the "cover up" is worse then the crime?

Just the fact that posts were removed would suggest that there is some sort of power struggle going on when in fact, maybe there is none?

That is curious in that in other instances the Moderator has permitted what appears to be aggressive and potentially harmful spam under the heading of "let the boys play" and here something significant was asked by a very highly respected SAAC official and it was censored.

It makes me wonder what the intention is and who is the problem here?

[shelbydoug]

I don't think Ricks "retirement " was with out an underlying story. You dont miss your 50th anniversary because you are tired of the marriage  2 months before the celebration .     right shelblydoug

Well, if we are going to worry about exactly what could be going on, for instance, perhaps there is legal action going on and there is a non-disclosure agreement in effect?

That DID happen under the "Shelby Lawsuit" situation which STILL cannot be openly discussed in detail and it is a bit inconsistent now to have a Moderator who leans heavily towards the "First Amendment", maybe considers it entertaining banter and then turns around and reverses that view?

Are we all conflicted here? Isn't everyone? Sure I am but I'm not the issue.

[gt350shelb]

yea the moderator is always the problem .....  and yes you are correct

[Macstang]

Honestly, it's just an evolving situation. You don't call a game after the first quarter. Same thing here.

[csxsfm]

Guess Rick's new book on SAAC contains some history that some may find troublesome, including CS legacy keepers.  The intrigue of his "retirement" makes me want to buy one even more.  Does Rick have my email on his mailing list?  LOL

[shelbydoug]

Guess Rick's new book on SAAC contains some history that some may find troublesome, including CS legacy keepers.  The intrigue of his "retirement" makes me want to buy one even more.  Does Rick have my email on his mailing list?  LOL

Some of the conspiracy theories are very creative and clever. Can they create a "NY Times Best Seller" ?

As far as the "Moderator" being the secret villain, that could work out as a "third act 'twist'? I like it! Someone needs to be blamed.   


Can locking up this thread be far behind?

[shelbydoug]

Honestly, it's just an evolving situation. You don't call a game after the first quarter. Same thing here.

Are you suggesting that "it ain't over"?

I like NBA basketball and there is some benefit to "letting the boys play" but at some point it crosses over into a "ghetto gansta' brawl" and to me, that is a turn off. Once you loose control of the game, you rarely get it back.

So "ref'ing the game" takes a bit of judgement and as usual, in retrospect, mistakes in that judgement become apparent. But that's just a game. Is this?

[computerworks]

OK
Let's put this issue to bed.

There is far less "palace intrigue" going on than some are speculating.  David felt squeamish about seeing a speculative discussion and consequently deleted a few posts, in haste.  In hindsight, he agrees it was probably not the best way to do it.
I can bring those posts back, but they are unimportant now,  the details of them have been laid out in subsequent posts right here. 

Let me clarify the reasons for these concerns that you saw ... it is fair that the members understand because it seems unusual for Rick to retire before our 50th anniversary. 
Very simple ..Rick was working on a project to be published, just like he has done for all our other publications ( the magazine, the annual and the registries) Understand that Rick had stepped back many years ago from the day to day management of the club, retiring from all operations,  and worked strictly on editorial work at the Editor's desk. 
Essentially the tone of his current work that was to be published by SAAC was more than a bit controversial and would have potentially and conceivably put the club in a bad light. As such, it was disputed by the Board... about whether it should be published by SAAC or not. Understand, this did not include any deep dark secrets; it was just the interpretation of past events that should be left as past history.

Discussions and compromises were not reached to the satisfaction of both sides.  Consequently Rick tossed his keys on the table and said "I'm done".  We sincerely appreciate the contribution he has made over the past five decades but we understand he found a reason to walk away from it all.  We respect that.  The club will sustain and go on. 

It was a decision made by club management that we did not want to jeopardize our position in the hobby and in the industry. 

We stand by that decision.  That said... no more no less ..no hard feelings... it was his choice and we respected it.

[shelbydoug]

You are not including pertinent information as I was informed. Presuming that my information is accurate.

In fact, if you did reveal it, it would put the "Board" in a much better light which frankly at this point it desperately needs.

[computerworks]

You are not including pertinent information as I was informed. Presuming that my information is accurate.

In fact, if you did reveal it, it would put the "Board" in a much better light which frankly at this point it desperately needs.

Well, I'm all for better light, whenever needed.

As far as your "pertinent information as I was informed" .... I've been informed that there are a few people who have been one-sidely misinformed.

Share your "pertinent information" with me via email or PM... I would be glad to confirm or refute anything you may have heard...

...BTW, that goes for ANY MEMBER who needs a further explanation.. just reach out privately to me.

[shelbydoug]

I don't need to put it in a better light. You do.