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If the car had any of the original suspension, it would be worth evaluating what is there and determining if any of it is good enough to restore. 

Or even source out - find someone who has an original front suspension from a disc brake equipped Mustang that has removed it to replace it all with new reproduction parts. What some guys consider restoring a car. Worth a shot - and since they should be really affordable pick up two sets or at least addition individual parts. Restored and refresh all of them then choose the best and resell the left overs just like so many other parts on the car or when doing some forms of plating

Charles Turner above probably related to these special orders. (taken from a Microfiche system by a friend decades ago)  (R-model batch order shown here). I sent them back then to Howard. At that time he had not seen them at least.
The later changes were issued more in a handwritten style as supplements.

Those are both 65 examples but yes that is the same forms used during 66 production like I was referring to that I've seen and mentioned in reply #18.  Even the later groups used the same long typed forms but there seems to be handwritten possibly quick notes of changes also produced through the production period at San Jose when needed for one reason or another. Seen very few of the hand written notes in comparison to the add /delete sheets. I haven't in fact seem a hand written change order produced during 66 production come to think of it.

So what is out there that most of us have never seen? What were the actual documents that were used to build the cars we all love so much? ..........

Would that not just be the Add/delete (Special Vehicle Order and Parts Specifications) and the Special Order forms (used for some of the builds like the convertibles) sheets?


Special Order form states under the title - Combined sales order and manufacturing authority to produce vehicles as scheduled

Especially in 67 we find the add/delete sheets in most of the cars so they IMO were likely used the same during 66 production though workers were more mindful about throwing them away rather then tossing/leaving them in each car. Just like build sheets San Jose workers left fewer in the finished cars - often a result of how they used them differently at the sub assembly stations when compared to Dearborn and Metuchen

Something like this

Small blocks with manuals had a one piece (not separate inspection plate or hole) engine plate that separated the engine and transmission bell housing. Is that what you are searching for?

This appears to be just a dealer order form (as it states on the bottom line). Note it says TO: Shelby American Inc.
I think any formal 65/6 production form did not exist. An order came in and the lot boy was told to go get X color car. When it started down the line there may have been a copy of the order stuck under a windshield wiper or some code for options was written in grease pencil on the glass. But no photos have surfaced showing either.

Yes pretty straight forward. To: SA, written and provided by SA and for the Sales Department as stated on the form.

- We do have pictures of 66's with 8.5 x 11 sheets of paper on the passenger windshield attached to the insides like we see used during 67 production at SA. These are seen on cars before the conversion (white cars) sitting out behind the buildings but on the completed cars in pictures I've seen or have copies of.

- Now pictures taken of the line, within a group of what appears to be Hertz or very dark  colored cars there is what appears to be a different sheet place on the outside of the windshield in the center under the drivers side wiper in what we've referred to as the French Film.

- In other shots you can still see that paper in the same place on finished 66's in both white and other colors.

- In addition, in some of the pictures of completed early (carry overs) you can see another 8.5 x 11 sheet attached to the windshield on the interior side on cars being transported by truck out of SA. This may or may not have been a staged picture so the location and details about this piece of paper may not apply or be the norm as to how cars left the property by truck.

- In other shots similar or same is seen on Cobra windshields but not on comp cars in the same area like TransAm cars being converted

- Since the pages mentioned in the observations above are a different size than that of the production form I posted they are not the same. IMO

Are any people left who worked on the line day to day? In any case once it left the line there was no reason to retain the build options - they were noted on the invoice SA sent to the dealer.

Not sure how many that worked SA line are still around - know we listened to one at SAAC 50 on evening is a room in the hotel.

As for San Jose workers - still running across them ever so often. Unfortunately many have left us and most that remain worked in the decades after our cars were built there. But there are still a few.

Jeff,

That looks pretty close and might show the evolution from one form to the next. I wouldn't think that there would be another similar document, but who knows? Do you have any that are filled out? Like I said, I'm trying to understand how the production process differed from year to year. I'd like to see scans of as many as you might have that are filled out.

Really not a lot of information contained on the form it's self. Some typed - some hand written. Plus not many options/choices in 66


Remember these were Shelby forms not ones used for or at San Jose. So any relationship to production process would be to the alterations done once Shelby got the Mustangs. Not certain how this one form was created, when it was created (during the process) and how it related to an order from a dealership for example.

At San Jose those orders were handled much the same as any special orders and similar to promotions and large orders (built at different times - not all at once) like High Country Specials, large bus, truck or taxi orders they received at the plant.

Jeff,

This is in regards to the construction of the 1965 and 1966 cars. My question is, was a version of the form that you show for the 1967 cars also used for the 1965 and/or 1966 cars? D. Mathews would not be of any help in this regard as he deals exclusively with the 1967 cars. Just trying to find out how far back (if at all) the use of this document extends. Again this is NOT a question regarding.......................

Thanks - Sorry I was posting one to show the sheet you mentioned in the original post and your reply #2

"production order similar to the '67 builds?"

"Nope, the reference document I'm talking about is a single sheet of paper that is titled "1967 GT 350 / GT 500 MUSTANG PRODUCTION ORDER," NOT the DSO sheets. I'm wondering if a similar document was used for the '65 & '66 cars.


Could this be what your looking for Shelby American Order Form?

For '65 and '66 GT350s, did SAI use a production order similar to the '67 builds? If so, are those available? Thanks.

Are you asking about the base form not filled out  or the one that match some owners cars original or copy of the original?  If last one then last one contact Dave Mathews the guy in charge of the clubs records, registry and other details.

Good luck

The form he's referring - but either blank or a copy of original

For those try and get access to the earlier 2011 version of the Registries that covered 65-67 Shelbys Thick hard covered book in blue There is a section (about 29 pages in length) on those cars

...I would highly recommend anyone to attend an event, before throwing themselves into the fire.

+1 There is no better teacher IMO than experiencing the process, understanding the neuonces and the goal ahead of time. Since some mistakes are hard to correct or to redo, while in other examples almost everything is bolt on and those can be corrected - just cost money and or time.

Just to add one additional point I sort of touched on in my response. In the 80-90's NOS parts were thought to be the best possible parts you could find and use for a restoration. As time and the hobby progressed we discovered and realized that not all "NOS" or service parts were the same nor were they always representative of the parts used on the assembly lines.

Because of this, NOS or service parts can still be used but they may not be good enough to get past the judges or the judging without some deduction. Remember or consider judging and scoring is not a light switch, parts are not always completely correct or incorrect but instead somewhere in the middle so judges will assign a percentage of the total possible points in that section of the judging sheets to represent the difference leaving, room to reward the car where the condition or the details are closer to the goal and standard. Without some amount of deduction, judges can't reward the better job or car though both cars may be awarded the same award level at the end of the day.

Good luck with your choices and be happy with them.

But Div 2 is non-NOS?

You not restricted from using prefect or good original or NOS parts in Division II  it's just that that clss allows the use of good reproduction parts. Really nice or restored original original parts, good NOS or service parts (that look like the originals) or good reproductions are all allowed in that class. Most owners/builders use a mix since many of the reproductions are not good enough to make it through judging without some minor (percentage wise of the total number of points in the section) deduction.Maybe, for example one quarter of a point or slightly more depending.

So bottom line is that all concours rules are on the higher of the two standards - as the car were originally built not their condition 2 weeks, 2 months or 2 years after use.

Trailer or "driven" is a completely different thing it's about how the cars are typically used or transported and in clubs that use those definitions typically "driven" class has some "give" built into the rules or scoring to not deduct for some parts. Sometimes it tires, battery and so on.  What things depends on the organizations written rules.

Is there anyone from the LA area who might be able to ID the Ford dealer advertising the white Cobra with a green stripe (CSX 3348) by the phone number (SY3-3154) ? The  car was supposedly at S&C in San Francisco at this time but was transferred to Robert Loud Ford in Pasadena in May, a month after this ad appeared.

AI inquiry yields high confidence that number is for S&C Ned, one of several reasons being the SY prefix was not used in the Colorado Blvd area where Robert Loud Ford was located

Have to admit that I got a good chuckle out of AI being used or quoted   

Doesn't look like it was S&C Motors in Northern Calif, based on this 65 ad which listed UN 1-6000

What are your thoughts?

Happy Thanksgiving !

Their paint, their cars , their choice. Enough said. So many other much more important things in the world

Stop it Jeff please, no need to raise the bar any higher.

Just responding to a question.   Wasn't my idea though someone always seems to bring it up.