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Having been a participant and a judge, I found out that deductions are not always fair, bit they do have a way of balancing out in the long run. Judges can miss obvious things and they never get deducted. They are also human and learn new things each time they judge cars.

Agreed and I've often used this same explanation with owners. The owner and or builder know so much more about their particular car since they spend months or years building it and making their choices. We only get a short time and I've never heard one of them claim that we discovered everything that could or was found during our limited time with the car often under less than great conditions.

The bottom design, if I recall correctly was a design that they used for a very long time and into the 80's? and possibly beyond. Not sure when it's use started.

Like Ed wrote. Not always visible but the vast majority of time it was. Examples to illustrate the description from unrestored cars

Where can I get those?

Don't know haven't had to look/use them for over 40 years. Guess you need to look in the regular locations/sites   

How many holes? Best way to plug them?

Depends on what your car is and the system (internal or external) you have installed.  If its the typical external then there were plugs originally made by Ford and I think they are or were reproduced. Of course you will have to choose to leave all the brackets and mounts or to buy new/different ones to hide that the Thermactor system was there. Also for that system and design you'll need 8. One per cylinder

Would not even think of doing this for a track road course car or tires. Tires are so much more than just compound alone

Can you elaborate re AC?

Believe he is stating that there are Ford documents and original examples that state and support Mustangs and Shelby's with Air conditioning received battery shields from the factory

If the Tiger mentioned was the red one, it was really super.

It was. Apparently (as we were told) an older restoration with some changes for enjoyment and driving since its show days.

Isn't a Division 1 Gold award nearly impossible to achieve these days?  Or am I thinking of thoroughbred class?

No, not impossible IMO. Just not many out there they are a rare creature  Choosing to take that route a lot depends on a bunch of considerations and choices. Everything from only starting with a great car to like how to act or considerations during judging once its done should be considered. 

Both "standards" are pretty close to one another. Of course there are some that will say the differences are not small but no time to discuss that here.  The scoring structure, point assignment and the balancing of points, are some of the differences.

Hope this explains it well enough

Poor choice of words    fell into the "trap"  since the OP used the term. Agreed a non-electrical Dashpot mlike used in 66 for example on many automatics

Looks like (according to the air horn) the main body is a C9AF-9510-N. These were used originally on 69 428 Mustangs & GT500's equipped with automatic transmissions.

For your application, yes you are missing the idle solenoid, the factory fuel filter and of course the supply line is some aftermarket or made up piece. Looks like someone rattle can finished the carb at some point.

What a bunch of presumtive balony.
1965 Shelby Mustang GT-350s were not equipped with sideview mirrors.
Nor was there an option for one.
Every sideview mirror on a 1965 GT-350 is an ad-hoc day-two modification by some non SAI guy taking a drill to the car and putting on whatever mirror they felt like putting on.

Often left to the dealership to do if required or wanted, dealership or first buyer, just like Mustangs and other cars of the period. There was at least one, likely a few more, that got mirrors at SA, possibly cars assigned to specific important people as drivers like in other years. At least one example is visible in the pictures of at the open house event SA held.



Practices changed for 66 production related to mirror installation.

Guess now back to the other points in the discussion

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Agreed that unless you have a really nice original or NOS tailshaft housing or bellhousing dry ice is currently the best choice though even it tends to produce a slightly more monotone finish that original. Main case - cast iron can be cleaned may different ways and the exterior finish can be corrected or improved. All the rest it depends on the finished plating or painting

Here is one effort. The camera and lightly makes the main case darker than it was in person. Also the pan is just a used one in the pictures since they didn't want to damage the nice one during installation. The aluminum shows how certain cleaning methods can tend to alter the finish and make it monotone as far as texture and color. 

The dipstick tube finish has been covered in a number of earlier threads and the paint marks had not been added at the time that the pictures were taken. No everyone will be going that far nor are "required" in judging for most classes but if you do them they need to be correct or that would be a deduction.

Hope this helps






As for surface rust. IMO it depends a lot on where the car was built and sold. and exposure. Most parts were plated and or oiled to reduce flash rusting though in many parts of the country it was difficult to combat local weather.

Looks like it saw heavy repair in the past before this last incident