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#1
Quote from: alexgt350h on Today at 02:18:50 PMHas any paperwork at all been found on steel hoods? How many were made? When they were made?
If there is any paperwork Howard would most likely have it.
#2
Quote from: doublemyv on May 07, 2025, 12:39:55 PMThanks guys,  After much research, I think we have the definitive answer, and the diagrams in the 1997 Shelby American World Registry were helpful.    I did notice that the diagram in the later registry had the error in showing the front of the car twice.   So, here's my next question:  How much weight (lead shot ankle weight bags)
should I add to the inside of each door to simulate the completed door assembly weight ?    The window regulator, and glass, windwing, handles, and door card probably weigh more than I think.  Maybe 15 pounds ??? Anyone have a recommendation ?    I can add that weight so that the side stripes are consistent from the front fender, through the bottom of the door, and onto the bottom of the rear quarter panel.  Thanks, Mark 
My recommendation is to wait until the car is all but completely done before painting the side stripes . Guessing on how much weight to add to the doors and then adjusting them etc. is a recipe for disaster. If painting  the stripes on a completed car was the way Shelby American did it then why mess with was success. 
#3
Up For Auction / Re: 66 Tbird engine block
May 07, 2025, 10:57:56 AM
Quote from: shelbydoug on May 07, 2025, 08:20:10 AMhttps://www.ebay.com/itm/265569142613?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20211130125621%26meid%3Dbf2c85423b4b4f47bcad8b2a4659121b%26pid%3D101465%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D156932106488%26itm%3D265569142613%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D3650466&_trksid=p3650466.c101465.m3507

What am I missing with this? Do you get the car with it?
If not a mistake my best guess that the point is not to sell the block for the astronomical price but to call him (contact information in the description)about other blocks and parts. In other words a advertisement.
#4
Brian your effort is very much appreciated. Thank you again.
#5
Quote from: 69 GT350 Vert on May 04, 2025, 01:08:24 PMMy 1969 shop manual shows for a 351W without AC, there is not a distributor vacuum control valve in the waterneck.  Is that correct?  I thought all cars had one. 

It looks like the distributor vacuum advance in my 69 GT350 was designed to receive full manifold vacuum.  Not ported/timed vacuum.
The thermostat housing has the opening for the vacuum switch but it has a plug put in it from the engine plant.
#6
Up For Auction / Re: 9F03R481873 on BAT
May 04, 2025, 12:22:32 PM
Yes that is it in the trunk. That is really telling that whoever worked on it and put it together didn't know how to do it right.
#7
Quote from: 427heaven on May 03, 2025, 09:39:11 PMSo the EARLY 1963 Cobras Comp or street cars could have had a small letter Cobra 2 x 4 intake with insignia and had a date coded 1963 aluminum water neck and ran the 3258s and 3259s carbs correct?
I don't believe that the 2X4 intake with the 3258 and 3259 carbs was ever run on a race successful MK I or II competition Cobra.
#8
Up For Auction / Re: 9F03R481873 on BAT
May 03, 2025, 09:39:47 PM
Woops . But that would mean.... 
#9
Appeals / Re: Larry Zane friends
May 02, 2025, 05:59:09 PM
Quote from: rhjanes on May 02, 2025, 04:07:27 PM
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on May 02, 2025, 12:57:52 PM
Quote from: rhjanes on May 02, 2025, 12:02:52 PM......OR, do you perhaps mean Rick Nagel out of the DFW area?  He was a real estate wheeler-dealer who bought up a lot of the racing pedigree stuff in the late 1980's, was going to open a museum. 
Nagel had a truck brake business. He scammed a lot of people to donate stuff to his museum. Being another Texas snake oil salesman he and CS got along well. He had connections in Mexico and was able to find a lot of race cars that had gone south. He found the Titus/Ward Camaro/Firebird TA car. Rick decided to buy it. Getting it from Mexico to the US was a long ordeal. It seemed each week he'd call for another 5 grand to pay off someone - added about 20 grand to the car. Jon Ward came and looked at it when it arrived. His comment was "OH S**T you found it". He had built and sold a replica as the original.
There were about 75 posters printed up for the museum with CS and a bunch of cars. A rare piece today.
Thanks.  I do now remember his business was brakes.  But he also had (low) rent houses.  Ton's of talk of the museum and donations and such.  He had cars stashed at those houses and taking that photo was when my friend helped move some of the cars.  He bought a lot of cars but then it fell apart.   I seem to recall perhaps in the mid to late 1980's and he showed up with a freshly received 1965 GT350 just out of Mexico.  Was on a flat open trailer.   Was that perhaps an R model he'd found?  I guess by the late 1980's the museum went poof and the cars were gone.  I think some had to be returned to owners. 
I bet the R model was 002 that he sold the Shelby Museum in Boulder.There were many cars and memorabilia that I understand that did't get returned to owners.
#10
Appeals / Re: Larry Zane friends
May 02, 2025, 12:15:24 PM
Quote from: rhjanes on May 02, 2025, 12:02:52 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on May 02, 2025, 10:14:53 AM
Quote from: Jhockman on May 01, 2025, 09:51:30 PMhttps://obits.nj.com/us/obituaries/southjerseytimes/name/larry-zane-obituary?id=11134183
I believe the R model and the GT40 came from another eccentric - Doc Recknagel. I understand that was a whole other crazy story when Zane and our Randy G. picked those up.
Was this perhaps "Doc" out of Oklahoma?  Late 1980's, had some nice cars.  Was a dentist or a podiatrist.  Showed up at the Mid-America one year with an 18-wheel car hauler with his toys on it.  Then had a few college coeds to "polish" the cars.

OR, do you perhaps mean Rick Nagel out of the DFW area?  He was a real estate wheeler-dealer who bought up a lot of the racing pedigree stuff in the late 1980's, was going to open a museum.  He would operate the cars. He brought a Daytona and a GT40 to Texas Motor Speedway (the original one) one year for the Texas Shelby show.  I've got a photo of the two cars on the track and then one of Shelby climbing out of the Daytona after a few laps.  A great friend of mine assisted in moving some of Nagel's cars for a photo shoot.  My friend said the cars were stashed in garages of the rental homes Nagel had and my friend mentioned some were in "uncomfortable" neighborhoods. 

I remember hearing the Zane name.
Doc Recknagel is/was a dentist in OK. His son still is.
#11
Appeals / Re: Larry Zane friends
May 02, 2025, 10:14:53 AM
Quote from: Jhockman on May 01, 2025, 09:51:30 PMhttps://obits.nj.com/us/obituaries/southjerseytimes/name/larry-zane-obituary?id=11134183
I believe the R model and the GT40 came from another eccentric - Doc Recknagel. I understand that was a whole other crazy story when Zane and our Randy G. picked those up.
#12
Up For Auction / Re: 6S1678 - on Bring A Trailer
May 01, 2025, 11:06:59 AM
Quote from: oldcanuck on May 01, 2025, 11:00:21 AMOn a vintage Paxton, does the plenum say Shelby or Cobra ?
The Shelby name started to be used on the plenums approximately mid 1967.
#13
The color is way off compared to typical IMO. If your happy that is what counts most.
#14
Quote from: JD on April 29, 2025, 03:04:40 PMOctober, no letter "I" as it could be mistaken for a 1.
Correct thank you for the catch .I amended my post. 
#15
I have a 67/68 visor signed. PM if interested.