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Excellent photo

Thank you for doing this.

Not sure if this will work. Doug, I can email anything you need.
Quote from: shelbydoug on January 01, 2024, 07:42:09 PM
Well one of the reasons I ask is that Dave Mathews posted pictures of a '67 he had maybe 5 years ago.

He claimed that the paint underneath was original to the car and from the pictures he posted looked uniformly the same color and texture.

It was so good, and because I have been following the threads on this subject, I just had doubts that it was original.

I'm trying to decide the best course of action for my '67. It was a Gotham Ford car and is so typical of Bill Kolb sales has a heavy undercoating on it. Cleaning that stuff off is time consuming and will detract from my time of contemplating the meaning of life and what is the Universe. So I thought I would revisit this thread with a different approach?
That was car #3002 which was original paint.
Up For Auction / Re: 8T03R201839-02527 on BAT
October 15, 2023, 05:46:57 PM
My favorite color for a 68.
The Lounge / Re: John Kelsey— Kelsey Tire
October 07, 2023, 03:43:27 PM
John was a true gentleman.
1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: First ride in 17 yrs!
July 10, 2023, 12:29:37 PM
Fantastic.  I am happy your efforts got you to drive it again.
1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
July 08, 2023, 11:05:14 AM
Marti got that information from the Registry.
They did a great job. Love the photos.
Quote from: Richstang on April 28, 2023, 06:00:02 PM
Originally, I thought the flat "Cougar" (named decades ago) trim was used first in production
My new THEORY is different. It is always evolving as new information comes to light.
I should add, there is no right or wrong answer here. I am still gathering data and seeking photos for more evidence. 

Years ago, I saw Greg Kolasa's book with the photos and captions.
I asked him why he thought the flat "Cougar" trim parts were used later. He made three great points.
-1st the photo evidence; such as car #00723.
-2nd the timing; the '67 flat 'Cougar" trim came out after the '66 Mustang Hi-Po trim.
-3rd cost and time savings; why would SAI go backwards in time to get the older Ford parts.
The flat "Cougar" parts were newer, easier to get from Ford, and would save assembly time and money

All were very good points...However, I didn't just take Greg's word. I've been looking deeper for years.

Trim #1; Brochure V-738-2 and #00176. Very thin, flat, and highly polished (or chrome plated).
These parts also appear to be on very early production cars, not nearly as thick as the flat "Cougar" trim parts.
They appear hand fabricated and very, very thin
Day one #00003 – #00018
Day two #00002 – #00019
Day three #00024 – #000031 (maybe...we see a handmade appearing flat part on #00031)

Trim #2; 1966 Mustang Hi-Po trim, production part.
Trim is cut about 60-65% down from top with visible top screw needed.
Has a tighter cut-out around exhaust and an inner area at the top covering the valance cut-out
#00004; SAI 10/3166
#00017; SAI 10/31/66
#00050 vintage magazine photos, no completion date
#00100 vintage magazine photos, no completion date
#0187; SAI 12/22/66

Trim #3; 1967 flat "Cougar", production part
No inner section to cover the valance cut-out, thicker depth by approximately 4-5X
Requires a slight higher cut-out in the valance to fit the part
#00751; SAI completion date 2/13,
#00705; SAI completion date 2/17
#00702; SAI completion date 3/31
#0723; SAI completion date 4/3
#00881; SAI completion date 4/13
#000742; SAI completion date 5/11
1)l may be wrong but I don't believe Greg believes that about the early cars any more. Some of the theories about the later cars may be correct.
2)The last time Greg and I discussed this topic was earlier this month, April 6th when I provided details and photos. I would be glad to share them with you.
3)I am not new to this, if you asked me, which you didn't, I would have given you my opinion from collecting data, owning and restoring these cars for over 30 years.
Quote from: Richstang on April 27, 2023, 05:10:22 PM
As noted in the first post of this thread

The first few cars with the flat trim are not made from the Cougar Trim parts!

After some conversations with Greg Kolasa, and following his caption in one of his books,
   We agreed the Cougat trim part was added after the '66 Mustang Hi-Po trim was used.
   It did not need to be cut to fit, saving time, and was a natural progression from the '66 Mustang part used.

It appears the Cougar trim was used at the tail end of trim parts needed...around the transition to the stamped valance opening.
We see the Cougar trim on some cars in the 700 VIN range.
Cars with the stamped valance were arriving at that same time

The transition date is critical to note on the Shelby American 'Production Order' completion date and upper right circled date.
It will help to determine the trim type (if needed) that should be used in any restoration.
There were more than a few cars that had the Cougar trim part.

This is not correct. The Cougar trim was used  early on in production. My all original, original paint GT 350, Assembly date 10/13/66 and Shelby completed date 11/9/66 has the Cougar trim, as does every other GT 350 completed near those dates that I have seen.
66 Tripple black Fairlane GT Conv, 53 Studebaker Champion, 05 Carrara S, 07 Tripple black GT500 Conv.
That may have been #2091. The car was there from 1971 to 2007. It is presently in Australia.
I bought rear replacement springs from Virginia Mustang and they were way too soft. I ended up putting the originals back in the car.
What a loss. Bob was one of those characters that you never forget. He was a true friend who would give you the shirt off of his back. The first hot laps I experienced at were in his car. When we got back in the pits, he threw me the keys.
Can't believe he is gone.