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Shelby American History / Re: Its a big day...
January 08, 2024, 10:37:37 PM
Very cool, Pete. Thanks for doing this.

Quote from: tesgt350 on January 08, 2024, 09:28:41 AM
Dave, can you still buy those Fender Flares?

As 98SVT- was 06GT noted, mine are steel, although the rears do resemble the Maier Racing flares (I had a 1965 that someone had installed a set on). Mine aren't the beautiful, hand formed flares you used to see, although they were done nicely (two sections per flare, and minimal body filler) and have held up nicely (built and painted 37 years ago). Appreciate the positive comments on the car, and yes Phillip, you are welcome to come down and visit anytime (at least whenever you can catch me here)- Give me a shout sometime.

  I assume that's Erich Bollmans car from back in the day.

  Lots of old A & B Production and A Sedan cars ended up in GT-1 too. My 67 Mustang was in the process of being built in 1979 as an A Sedan car but wasn't finished until 1980, just in time for the class changes. I actually have the SCCA logbook to it (Charlotte region), all I do with it is autocross and open track events (and haven't even done those in a while). It was amateur built, but they did a nice job (roll cage was done at Holman Moody and the chassis was modified using the Boss 302 Chassis Manual as a guide). Not a huge racing history but still a cool car.

   Very cool, it's unfortunate that the days of taking a real road trip in a Shelby are long gone, but I used to drive mine (as well as my 66 2+2) on parts hunting expeditions too. Brought home a lot of Boss 429 parts home in those cars.

  Also used to find a lot of cool parts just because I drove those cars regularly to a lot of local stuff. Guys would see the Shelby at one of the local hangouts or making passes at the dragstrip and would come up and tell me about good parts that could be bought. I sure miss those days....

Was digging through some books looking for a part number, and came across this old Maier Racing Catalog. Even though Maier became well known for  their suspension and fiberglass Mustang and Shelby parts, in the beginning, engine parts were the order of the day. Attached a few photos.

Replicas and Tribute / Re: Color of Donohue GT350R
January 05, 2024, 07:10:07 PM
 Actually, 'Body in White ' is something that's been around for a long time, although they weren't the easiest things to order. See the attached photos, two show ordering info in a couple of the old OHO Newsletters from 1972, the third is a photo of Holman Moodys shop from 1966, note the 1965-66 Mustang 2+2 shell sitting on a skid. This was cool stuff to come across. Also, a buddy has the restored Super Stock and Drag Illustrated Maverick Super Modified drag car. Arlen Fadely, a Ford engineer, originally built it in 1974-75 from a body in white too (chassis work by Don Hardy).

  Not sure about the blue, but the few color photos I've seen of it, it's definitely darker than my Sapphire Blue 66 GT350, I'd say it's a safe bet it's Guardsman Blue.

As promised, some photos of that DST brochure.

   Very cool; I had forgotten about DST building that first Cougar TA car and had no idea Dearborn Steel Tubing had anything to do with those Falcon rally cars- I'd LOVE to have that Canadian rally 1963 hardtop.

  That whole Dearborn Steel Tubing story is something I've only been able to find bits and pieces about, never one good comprehensive story/overview of. Of course, everyone knows they built the 1964 Fairlane Thunderbolts and everything else has been a little piece here, a little piece there (usually their contribution to whatever special car is being written about). They did build the first 1965 A/FX Mustang fastback drag car with the twist leaf front suspension (which became Dick Brannan's and was the prototype for the remaining cars that were built by Holman Moody), and the two 1964 A/FX Falcons given to Dick Brannan and Phil Bonner. There was also one 1965 Mustang hardtop that may have been built by DST (sponsored by Bob Ford), supposedly wrecked sometime in 1965 (high riser 427 and modified shock towers like the 1964 Comets/Falcons). Maybe the story could be Charlie Morris next book.....

My only connection to DST is a friend of mine, Tim Mason (RIP). His dad was Jim "Hammer" Mason, who was the shop foreman for DST and oversaw a lot of the race car projects including Thunderbolt production. He also built and campaigned a 1963 Galaxie Fastback that they raced at Daytona in the Sportsman race from 1966-1968 (and won each of those years, usually driven by one of the Ford factory Grand National drivers). The car is in survivor condition and was in the Gilmore museum, at least up to the point where Tim passed away, IIRC. A lot of guys on here knew Tim and probably bought detail parts from him at Ford Carlisle over the years, and he had picked up the DST name for his business (someone else was recently laying claim to the name, but not sure what became of that deal).

Anyhow, I picked up (what I believe was) a reproduction brochure publicizing DST's manufacturing capabilities from Tim one year at Carlisle, and it did give a little history and insight on what DST did. It appears they manufactured a lot of the specialty pieces for the 406/427 FE engines, 289/271HP engines. as well as the Cobra Kits for Ford, including the 4V, 3-2V and 2-4V intake manifolds. I'd say it's a safe bet that they probably manufactured the pre 1965 accessories such as the Cobra Roadster oil pan and the early Cobra 'no-hole' 260-289 valve covers. I did notice that the article Steve Sloan wrote for the Shelby American this year (about Cobra accessory installation on the 1965-66 GT350 assembly line), he made reference to a Shelby American memo noting delays on delivery of hi-riser GT350 intake manifolds from DST in 1965, so I suppose there is a possibility that they made those (the small letter version) as well. I'll post some photos of the brochure in a separate post (they are on my phone); they are pretty darned interesting.

Quote from: Bill on December 09, 2023, 01:15:56 PM
Quote from: gt350shelb on December 09, 2023, 12:12:08 PM

If I remember correctly, the car was rolled back over, roof kicked/beaten upwards enough that the car was driven home by it's bruised owner. Now restored to it's former glory.


Those are my photos, taken in 1983 at Shelby Club autocross in Va Beach. After the accident, the car was found to have a broken main leaf in one of the rear springs, we think that's the main contributing factor in the wreck.

There was no driving away afterwards, unless riding out in an ambulance with a broken back counts. In actuality, what happened was the car was rolled back over using an old work truck, a chain and about 7 strong backs. It was loaded on a trailer and trailered back to Hampton to the owners house. Luckily the owner, a good friend, suffered no paralysis or debilitating injuries, but this was the end of his autocross (and drag racing) activity and after repairs (roof replacement, repaint, and tires) it was sold to another local Shelby enthusiast as an entry level driver in 1984. I know the number of this car (the two subsequent owners before the car left the Commonwealth are also good friends), but I'm not going to reveal it on a public forum, not sure any good would come of it.

1968 Shelby GT350/500/500KR / Re: Engine dating question
December 08, 2023, 03:11:21 PM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on December 08, 2023, 01:31:21 PM
And then we get into the weird stuff. A March built 68 GT350 auto car. Never been apart .All known owners and all owners said original engine not out until the prior owner pulled it and NEVER looked for numbers. Well we did after my friend bought it. All casting numbers are great for the car's assy date and the numbers on the engine match the trans. I repeat-they match each other. The problem? A smaller font size and numbers we've never seen before. Notice the grime that was cleaned off to expose the engine numbers and the trans numbers. We are talking a 302 and auto not a 428 4 speed. Patina said never been out in decades. Sure it isn't "matching numbers" but it is believed by all prior owners stating as such as being the original engine.  3rd pic is an Atlanta 302 J code engine that happened to be date coded right for my old 68 Shelby so it went in it. Notice 1 number is real light in the gang stamp but can be seen with the naked eye.

A friend here owns a 68 GT350 with the original engine,  has those same fonts for the VIN on the block. Everything matched IIRC (when the car was built vs casting date, block casting number,  etc). Car is -14xx. Was actually sold new at Schmidt in Baltimore.

Quote from: texas swede on December 07, 2023, 10:09:34 PM
Wish I had one of the Bowditch Dealer Emblems for my car 5S275 which was sold by Bowditch Ford.
Texas Swede

  Yes, I am on the warpath for one too. My 66, SFM6S1342, was probably the last Shelby sold by Bowditch (or else the highest serial number number sold). I'd run hot or cold about installing one, as there are no holes in the original taillight panel for one. But would still be cool to have. Now that I know what one looks like and have a good photo, it should be easier to show folks what I'm looking for. I'll let you know if I scare up more than one....

Quote from: DRGT350 on November 29, 2023, 10:44:48 AM
This one from Bowditch on 5S296..

Very nice. Is that an emblem or a decal, and do you know what time frame it might be? The one in Phil's collection is from 1967 on into the late 70s, but I have no idea what was used earlier. For all I know they might have had license plate frames. If you have a higher resolution photo of the emblem on 5S296, I'd sure love to see it. Thanks.

Shelby American Racing / Re: 66 racecar
December 04, 2023, 07:34:08 PM
  Not cheesy at all, very cool,  now you just have to decide which way you want to do the car itself.... ::)... thanks for sharing.

   Very cool, I wish I could have been there, thanks for sharing this.