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Thanks, yes that is what I had thought too. I guess the restorer was not that careful (or cheap) about replacing this glass.

Thanks Bob, good explanation. I have seen this happen to some other cars I have with long drip sticks, but this one is pretty short. It did tempt me to add oil, until I repositioned it just in case. But I figured since the car was just newly restored and had hardly any miles on it, being more than a quart low was probably not the case.

Another question while you are here, is the rear window on an "S" model made of anything special? There are no stamps or codes on it like all the other windows, and some minor blemishes look funny for a standard glass window. Thanks.

I don't know if anyone else has noticed this, but when I put the oil dipstick in any other way than the loop facing away from the block, I get a low reading, by a quart or two. Why is that I wonder?

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I got one from Virginia not long ago.

Mike, most of us know you have really nice cars.  Some of the rest of us do, too. 
We drove 3 days, each  way, to show our Div. I outdoors at SAAC-50, plus got down on the ground and judged at age 74. 
Register your car, now, for IN-SAAC French Lick Concours; haul it to this great, comfortable, indoor venue with on-lift judging.
It's that simple.
Really--it's that simple---just do it!
Don

Thanks for the kind words Don, but it now appears I have a family conflict with the French Lick date. Maybe next time, French Lick has a great facility in most all ways, we had the NCRS National there in 2023, and will again in 2027. Sorry to miss it.

Yes, outdoor meets have their charms. I think it is all a matter of preference and, as we get older, a matter of convenience and comfort. Outdoor meets that have great weather are always remembered fondly, and those with pouring rain, heat, wind., etc., not so much. The problem for me is making a decision on a 2000 mile tow, and taking your chances on weather months ahead of time. I chose not to, and maybe in retrospect, I made a mistake. But it is my opinion you will get more cars if the meet is indoors. Yes, it costs more, but these 1/2 million $$+ cars are owned by people who can afford that.
The unused chassis inspection equipment reminds me of our chapter's outdoor regional judging meet outdoors on a hotel parking lot here in NM 15 years ago, when we were all younger and spryer. We purchased 2 dozen soft foam camping pads for the chassis judges. But we were tough, and nobody wanted to admit they needed one........   Ah, the joys of youth.

I always equated Shelbys with performance and racing, I guess, and i appreciate the heritage. I never got the impression he was too concerned with how pretty the cars are or how they'd present at shows.

Perhaps Corvettes are different. Corvettes were built to be pretty, and most of them are. Shelbys were built to beat Corvettes by out-shining them on race tracks, not golf courses.

But most people buy cars to drive. And a few buy cars to shine and admire. And that's fine.   

I have always equated '60s Shelbys and Corvettes, along with some Cougars like the GTE, and Chrysler 300 letter cars with long cross ram 413s, and ones like the 4 speed dual quad positraction 409s, with performance and elite ownership, since as a teen in the '60s I could never afford any of them. But the rich kids in our little town growing up could afford a '65-'66 GT350 or the others.  Few I knew raced these cars except at local drag races, and I never had the resources to go to any other race venues, and living in NM, there really weren't any.

So when I retired early and had enough money, I started buying them and finding places to drive them to, trailer them to, and show them off.  Judging became a hobby to participate in, both as a judge and as a car owner, and I found it a very satisfying and rewarding way to spend my retirement.

I drive all my cars, to get groceries, buy auto parts (I just went to the newly opened AutoZone today in my 409), and of course cars and coffee, Vintage Car Club meets, Team Shelby Rocky Mountain Region and Corvette Club cruises, etc. When it comes to driving, the 2 least enjoyable ones to drive around are 5S230, and my '63 Corvette Z06 tanker. Both are really race cars that are lousy on the street, ride and drive like trucks, no A/C or power options, etc. But they are fun to show off.

If it had been held at the Pebble Beach course, yes, I would have stayed entered. I am not into being a boy racer with old cars. Race tracks don't interest me, unless it is a flying mile, like the Texas Mile, where I am a member of the 200+ MPH Club. Again, just my opinion, yours may differ and that is fine.

Yes, I have entered a few of these de Elegance type elite events. But somehow a manicured lawn, fairway, and greens on a famous golf course overlooking the ocean is more attractive and comfortable than an asphalt parking lot at a race track. At least IMO, yours may differ and that is fine.

[That you repeat ad nauseam !]

That you repeat ad nauseam !

Sorry to offend you by speaking my opinions. But I did think that is what this discussion forum is about. I do know any criticism is usually not appreciated here however, I have been around a long time.

Cars and Coffee shows in your area have formal judging with dedicated judges who some have done that job for decades? Also based on a nation standard with nationally recognized trophies and recognition given at the biggest auction houses (just one example) around the country and often outside also? I personally don't typically go cars and coffee shows, there are typically 5-6 a week around here, but haven't seen anything like SAAC Concours at any of them. If you have such a cars & coffee show like you suggest let me know as I would love to see that especially if we could attend it together and compare shows and their features.

I dare say that if you had entered a car, observed the process and participated in that process you might have a different opinion than you have expressed above.  Guess we could consider quadrupling, or more, the cost of the entry fee and gotten one tent per car. Cost of the tents was very high compared to those shows we have had in other states from my understanding and had to be rented from approved companies that had all the permits, California certification and standards required as well as the insurance to cover the liability.  If the requirements had not include those big concrete blocks we could have used them slightly differently, but when it comes down to choosing between protecting the judges, volunteers, spectators and others or getting some sun on the cars I know how have chose over the last fifty plus years judging.

Seems we didn't reach your expectations but based on your earlier posts it could be anticipated. A suggestion would be to get involved, make the suggestions formally to the board and see if you can make things better for you at a upcoming show.

Thanks for your insights Jeff. I was not comparing judging at cars and coffee show and shine events to SAAC Concours. I was comparing the "sit outside in the sun all day in your folding chair" component, which is the same. And as a 300+ point NCRS judge with decades of experience judging, I am aware of the expertise and experience SAAC judges bring to the field. My experience at SAAC 40 caused me to withdraw from active SAAC judging, but I wanted to try it again, and thought SAAC 50 would be the place to start. But then the reality of the venue made me reconsider and withdraw by application. I do not do outdoor judging events, it is not comfortable for judges or entrants and since numerous indoor venues are out there (we have never had an NCRS National outside in my experience), I think it does not speak well of the organization to do it that way. But that is just my opinion and my standards, yours obviously vary and you are entitled to them. With Mid-America going down for judging, and MCA rarely offering indoor venues, I suspect I will never have 5S230 judged. But I will remain vigilant for any opportunities, maybe like Indiana SAAC at French Lick. BTW, I seriously doubt the SAAC board has any interest in hearing from me, so I will not waste my time on that.

Thank you Pete, for staying in character.......

Interesting, so the tents were for the judges area and officials, not the cars and their owners.

That's not completely correct. The tents have always been used by staff to run the show and to provide shade (well most of the time) while judging teams go over the scoring sheets after they have seen the cars and assign points to any deductions noted and observed.  This helps reduce the possibility of heat stroke, heat exhaustion and keeps out workers safe. We have also shared the tented areas when big enough and multiple ones have been supplied in the past. This year one tent was used to display a beautiful GT40. Since the area is known for strong powerful winds the approx. eight large 3x3x3 concrete blocks used to secure them to the ground took up a lot of space and owners as well as us were concerned of the tight spaces left to get the cars in and move them around.

Well, the owners and their cars were still out in the sun, and exposed to the elements, on the asphalt the entire time. As I expected when I canceled. I expected more than a cars and coffee type show and shine for SAAC 50 Concours Judging.

Interesting, so the tents were for the judges area and officials, not the cars and their owners.