Messages

Chris, second question:  Would the Dealer Added Ford Hang On A/C with out Documentation garner you Fewer or the Same Points Deductions as a Vintage Air A/C?  I would hope Fewer.

Another strange question but worth exploring......... I have owned well over 100 Mustangs over the last 40 Years, many 69/70 Fastbacks. a couple of them actually came with Dealer Installed Ford A/C that ran along the Lower Dash on both sides.  I know when Judging, you ding for Aftermarket A/C. Would the Ding be just as bad if was a Dealer Installed Ford A/C? 

Also, does anyone know if any Shelby was sold with a Dealer Installed Ford A/C?


Reason I ask is, I have seen a couple at the big Moultrie GA Swap Meet for sale in the past.

When should you Unzip it: 01) Before you Unlatch the Top.  02) Unlatch the Top and then Unzip it or, 03) Unlatch the Top, raise it about a Foot and then Unzip it?

Even if found, the condition and originality of the parts would be suspect.  Forget the engine, the most valuable parts would be the doors!

Sorry about that...

LITTLE BIRD, a shortened 1960 Thunderbird that was missing for about a Decade before I rescued from a Salvage Yard in the early 80's as a roller where I took a few years to get it on the road and painted it Pale Pink only to sell it about a year later.  Not knowing what happened to it, it went missing again for about about 20 Years until I rescued it again only this time from a Tow Company Holding Yard and it was painted Red.  So anything is possible.

I took Auto Body and worked at a Auto Salvage Yard for 6 Years.  Hitting a Utility Pole is known as a Pole Shot.  Most Pole Shots usually only damage what is called a Three Quarter Front End and only damages the Inner Panels in front and on one side in front of the Shock Tower  and the Hood, Front Face and usually just one Fender and some times no Fender.  I believe back then, the Minimum Wage was under $1 so I think the repair Bill for a Pole Shot would be under $1,000.  I think it could still be out there.

How early was JM's Shelby?  Did it have an S in the Ford VIN?  Did it have the scribed Z in the Shelby VIN? Who said the Car was actually "Totaled"?

Some facts - it was common for stars etc to have business managers who took care of the details such as car registration. This also created a different address so fans didn't show up on your doorstep.

Each year you got a new registration card - There was one pink slip issued that would have the same info.

It's known the car was crashed - ads by Ray Wolff don't mention crashed or inoperable. It appears to be a complete viable car while on his lot. So it did not end up in a junkyard at that time. This also dispels the rumor that Morrison totaled it. He may have crashed it but it was repairable.

When sold the pink slip gets filled out with the new owners name address etc and surrendered to DMV who issues a new one in the name of the new owner.

When the DMV updated their computer system (late 70s?) they only included currently registered cars. The Morrison car was not registered in CA at that time.

Certain people (law enforcement, insurance adjusters) could hand search the early non computerized DMV records. When DMV found fraud was occurring (in the mid 80s) due to those searches they cancelled access without a warrant.

So someone got the car from Ray Wolff - or he sent it to a dealer auction because it had sat on his lot for quite a time. A new owner got a title in his name for the car. When DMV switched computer systems it was not registered in CA. It could have been still registered in another state. If registered in another state the title would have been sent to CA for cancellation. The new owner may have totaled the car in CA prior to the computer change and it wouldn't show up. Even if totaled the salvage could still exist without paperwork - the insurance company gets the title and sells the salvage. DMV gets the title from the insurance or junkyard and it's cancelled.

How was the Car crashed?  What was the Damage?

How does one explain the newspaper ad from the early '70's (pics online) with the CA license plate number of the car?  VRD 389 I think it was...   

What's to explain, you register it in a State that does not issue Titles to old Cars and then you Lie and Cheat on the Forms.

From my strange Brain..................... If Someone has the actual VIN Number, enough money and time, they could easily do some thing like a "Re-Body" Restoration of JM's Shelby.  You can find most, if not all of the needed used parts to turn a very good used 1967 Mustang Body (the right Body) into a 1967 Shelby GT 500.  Cut out the VIN's and weld the space sup and restamp with the new VIN.  once totally completed, age it and place it in a drafty dusty old Barn out in the middle of no where long enough to get it coated with a lot of Dust, wait for the right people at SAAC to die off and then "FIND IT".

Called and talked with Mr Turner, Asked if he ever had a 1967 Shelby GT500 come in wrecked he said no never. Also he said California is real strict on selling black license plates from the yard. So Jim Morrisons of the doors car never made it to this place.

You dealt with an honest man and ofcourse it did not show up there.

It was recycled into many things after it was crushed. Possibly many TUNA cans.


 But will take the liberty to say the following about Jimmies car;

The lack of items from this car showing up for sale suggests that it is gone from the face of the earth .

But that does not rule out the creativity and large CASH INFUSIONS of some to reconstruct and resurrect...if and when it comes back to life, not even the most astute people / judges will be able to distinguish that it's not the real one...

rise lazarus, rise...

More from jimmies car at

https://www.saac.com/forum/index.php?topic=4791.msg41316#msg41316

Yep, build one now, stash it in dusty Barn and just sit back and wait for the right people to Die Off.

I now own a 2025 Ford Mustang Eco-Boost Fastback in Grabber Blue Metallic. I am in the process of turning it into a Day Track Car for the Novice Driver (me). First Update so far are the New Shoes.  I went from 18"x8" Wheels with 235-50R-18 Tires to 18x9.9-18 Wheels with 245/45 ZR18 KUMHO Tires. I think I will move up 1 or 2 more Sizes on the Tires and might even change Brands. 

Personally, as someone who has been racing for 40+ years, I would have kept the stock rims and tires if they were not aged out and learned the handling characteristics of the car before I started making any modifications. As for what you installed, I suspect the rims are not the correct offset, which is going to throw your handling off a bit at anything above posted highway speeds. As for you being a novice, remember, consistency comes first, speed comes second.

Enjoy the ride

I have been on several Road Courses quite a few times, I consider myself a Novice because I have only been up to 120mph down the Straights and don't care to go more than that.  I am pretty good in the Turns and know how hard I can push my Car on the Track.  My favorite Road Course so far has been Barber Motorsports Park Track in Birmingham Alabama, been on it 3 times now.

Looks like a fun car to run in the Silver State Classic.

That's on my Bucket List.

My Pony last Friday.  That's LITTLE BIRD in the background.

I now own a 2025 Ford Mustang Eco-Boost Fastback in Grabber Blue Metallic. I am in the process of turning it into a Day Track Car for the Novice Driver (me). First Update so far are the New Shoes.  I went from 18"x8" Wheels with 235-50R-18 Tires to 18x9.9-18 Wheels with 245/45 ZR18 KUMHO Tires. I think I will move up 1 or 2 more Sizes on the Tires and might even change Brands. 

Just curious, would new Shocks (NOS) have Painted Threads?