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#1
1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: Group 2 wheels and tires
December 05, 2025, 10:14:08 PM
Group II was a class spec dictated by the FIA. SCCA used those specs to determine the legality of cars competing in their classes. Shelby was allowed by Ford to build their own TA cars in 1967. They were required to use the specs from Kar Kraft to build their cars. In 68 & 69 Shelby ran cars on loan from Ford and built by Kar Kraft.
TA rules changed each year - The original SCCA GCRs (General Competition Rules) can be found on line for the TransAm series - forgot I had them printed out the scans as a PDF. Flares can be traced directly to horsepower increases needing bigger tire packages. By 73 they were allowing large fiberglass flares but still unibody (full fiberglass fenders, 1/4s, hood and cages from front to rear - more about chassis stiffening than driver protection). When the silhouette cars (full tube) were first built 1980 the only steel part required was the roof panel. In 89 those chassis got full fiberglass sorta looks like a Mustang bodies. Today TransAm is a spec series with 2 levels dictated by sealed engine power levels.
Attached are the 67 & 68 FIA Group II specs for the Mustang.
The primary purpose of Group 2 was to serve as an intermediate class, bridging the gap between Group 1's strictly standard touring cars and the specialized Group 3 GT cars by permitting controlled modifications that enhanced racing capability without departing significantly from road-legal production specifications.[8] This approach maintained a strong connection to everyday road car heritage, encouraging manufacturers to develop affordable, competitive variants that could be raced with minimal deviation from factory builds. By emphasizing close-to-production standards, Group 2 promoted broader manufacturer participation in motorsport, making it accessible for series like touring car championships while ensuring vehicles retained their production lineage
#2
Misc. For Sale / Re: The Shelby American Magazine
December 05, 2025, 07:30:11 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on December 05, 2025, 12:44:21 PM
Quote from: SFcarbuff on December 05, 2025, 12:37:49 PMI have no problem with someone covering the fees so they are secure in the process. 
You are a known quantity on this forum so it shouldn't be a issue. ;)
I didn't want my comment to cast any doubt on SCcarbuff only as another method to use PayPal payments.
#3
ALL the "Shelby, Cobra, GT350, GT500" Mustangs since 1967 have been FULLY developed by Ford Motor Company. The were done by inhouse by Ford Engineers under the guise of several different departments - Shelby Automotive, Motorsports, SVO, SVT.
Yes even the 2006-08 Shelby GTs got changes installed that were developed and produced by Fords engineers. Don't forget that the coil spring 3000 Cobra chassis was also created on the drawing board of Ford's chassis genius Klaus Arning - who also created the mods for the 65 GT350 chassis.
#4
Misc. For Sale / Re: The Shelby American Magazine
December 03, 2025, 11:09:02 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on November 26, 2024, 08:25:52 PMIf he sends a invoice or payment request the seller is charged a fee ;) .

Quote from: Flmach1 on November 27, 2024, 02:09:19 AMThanks for the heads up on the PayPal fee.  I'll just need the name or email of SFcarbuff to send the $20 as a friend/family payment.

The fee is 3% if I'm buying from someone I don't know I'll send the $ for goods and add 5% to cover their fees. I've had a couple people still demand friends and family where the buyer has no recourse - once it's sent you lose any possible chance of a refund if the item doesn't show up. Needless to say I declined to send the $ in those cases.
#5
Ask a Registrar / Re: Production Orders
December 01, 2025, 07:52:06 PM
Quote from: J_Speegle on December 01, 2025, 03:10:45 AM

This appears to be just a dealer order form (as it states on the bottom line). Note it says TO: Shelby American Inc.
I think any formal 65/6 production form did not exist. An order came in and the lot boy was told to go get X color car. When it started down the line there may have been a copy of the order stuck under a windshield wiper or some code for options was written in grease pencil on the glass. But no photos have surfaced showing either. Are any people left who worked on the line day to day? In any case once it left the line there was no reason to retain the build options - they were noted on the invoice SA sent to the dealer.
#6
Ask a Registrar / Re: Production Orders
December 01, 2025, 01:24:11 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC on December 01, 2025, 10:25:17 AMFor the 1966 black and gold cars, was it the same ordering process as the regular GT350?

Who originated the order Hertz to Ford to Shelby?

Or .....
Only 1 order for those - 1,000 units black, gold LeMans stripes, auto, magnum wheels. Hertz bought the cars from SA. SA was the manufacturer. SA ordered the KD cars from Ford. The production problems account for the other colors. Hertz wanted cars - SA was slow - CS snake oiled them into taking some in stock colors to speed up the delivery.
Now - the SA cars went back to Ford dealers for resale. What was the agreement/process for that. The Hertz contracts then had a buyback clause with a set value. This was before Hertz opened their own dealers.
#7
Ask a Registrar / Re: Production Orders
November 30, 2025, 10:14:58 PM
Probably not. SA was a disorganized mess. Production was a problem from day 1. The 65/6 cars really only had a 2-3 options. Ford sent their engineers there to try and improve the assembly line. The "production order" sounds like a Ford idea to tell the line what to put on each car.
#8
Regional Shows and Events / Re: MCACN 2025
November 30, 2025, 04:45:09 PM
Quote from: Vernon Estes on October 11, 2025, 10:16:31 AM5029, the Carroll Shelby School of High Performance Driving Instructor's car, will also be there. I don't believe it has ever been displayed anywhere outside the West Coast.

Kind regards,
Vern

Bruce (Gooch) Kawaguchi's school car. After his passing LASAAC did a commemorative pin of 029.
Motor Trend article on Bruce & the car by Rick Titus  https://www.motortrend.com/features/1510-super-rare-one-of-3-shelby-driving-school-gt-350
#9
Quote from: crossboss on April 03, 2025, 07:31:12 PMI heard Willow was sold. Any news?
Yes - it's not good. Lynn Park has given back both the COCOA days for Big Willow.
Their new price for a weekend was 3-4 times greater than before. The real deal killer was the requirement that the renter accept any and all liability for any damage or accidents. There is also talk they will require a hans device.
They are going to repave it and modify the runoff areas to FIA specs. I'm glad I attended the last COCOA event there.
#10
Quote from: FL SAAC on November 28, 2025, 07:39:54 AM
Quote from: 5566 on November 21, 2025, 07:12:31 AMNever saw the ad with Morrison's registration plate number before.  I don't recall ever seeing ads in my area (PA) with registration plate numbers.  Were they required/common in ads in CA back then?

The ad genie has granted your wish twofold

"Jimmies VRD389"
If you check my links you'll see all 12 that have been found.
#11
Quote from: 5566 on November 27, 2025, 01:57:13 PM..... dealers, don't generally have plates on them and ads don't (or didn't used to) mention them.  The reasons given make sense, even though the VIN would be much more effective. 
There was a big stink in the 60s (at least in LA) with dealers offering cheap cars and then whey you got there it was "sold". Many people complained about the bait & switch that was going on. Papers started to want the ad cars identified. A VIN or plate was used. Some dealers went so far as to add "1 only at this price". The LA Times car ad section was big. The Sunday paper had 10-20 full page ads by dealers and several hundred of the small ads from private buyers.
My dad was one of those guys that would buy the bait car. Our first Mustang (they got for my sister) a 66 6cyl auto Coupe is what we switched to when my mom wouldn't let him buy the $500 cheaper 40,000+ mile 65 silver 4 speed fastback with a miss.
#12
Quote from: Cobra Ned on November 27, 2025, 01:13:42 PMIs there anyone from the LA area who might be able to ID the Ford dealer advertising the white Cobra with a green stripe (CSX 3348) by the phone number (SY3-3154) ? The  car was supposedly at S&C in San Francisco at this time but was transferred to Robert Loud Ford in Pasadena in May, a month after this ad appeared.
The SY - Sycamore - prefix was a Pasadena phone number back in the day.
SY in the bay area was Palo Alto.
#13
Appeals / Re: Pressure plate rebuild.
November 24, 2025, 08:28:49 PM
Quote from: Krelboyne on November 24, 2025, 07:35:55 PM27 years ago I used Valley Clutch Company in Irwindale Ca. They did the original clutch and pressure plate for my R code 1969 XR7.

No web site, I think that they are still in business according to Google.
Gone. I think it's even a different building than when I used them 20 years ago.
#14
Up For Auction / Re: Great job Tyler!
November 22, 2025, 08:44:55 PM
+1 that was the legendary car of the 80s. More collectable than any other Ford or GM of the era.
It started with the 81 Regal Indy Pace Car. They built 25 of the 4.1 engines but only used a few. John Kube (North American Fiberglass - Cobra Kits) found 5 of them still in crates in an AZ warehouse. (I suspect sent for testing the pacecars at speed on their proving grounds) Through a couple trades I ended up with one but let a guy talk me out of it for his Buick Skyhawk (Vega). It was equipped with a giant Quadrajet not EFI it sure outperformed any Cosworth........

https://www.hotrod.com/features/leader-of-the-pack-may-1981-982-1192-88-1
#15
It might have even been just the requirement of various papers.