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Fakebook and FleaBay get my kid rolling her eyes.

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Yeah but WHO jumped on the 65-66 years?

Some remedial education may be needed.........
https://www.fordification.com/tech/datecodes.htm
C90E: C9 = 1969 / -O = Fairlane (1962-68, Torino (1969-76), LTD II (1977-79), LN7 (1982-83) / E = Engine part
6049 = Part number for cylinder heads
E suffix = the 5th change level of that head.

No VIN - however there were differences in the auto trans for the HiPo. The Servo cover is one you can see externally. I think the valve body also had some changes. The "regular" HiPo Mustang and the GT350 used the same trans so nothing Shelby specific to find.
68 up the Feds changed the rules on VINs and where they needed to be stamped. Today you can find the VIN lasered, labeled or stamped into about every part - engine, trans, rear end, fenders, doors, etc. Just about anything a chop shop could sell.

Has anyone ever reached out to Jim Morrison's sister in Santa Barbara?  To see when she received all of Jim's items from  the girl friends family that maybe the original title was in with all the items that she is storing.

She is 78 now and running everything for Jim's memory. The girlfriend passed in 1974.

Like the crazy lady with the Daytona Coupe she probably gets contacted a few times a year by car hunters. Maybe more often since she's not hiding. The title would have gone with the car to the dealer and the dealer would turn it in to DMV for a one to be issued with the new owners name on it. If it was financed the title would be sent to the lien holder who would be noted as the legal owner. If the car was junked the title is surrendered by the junkyard to DMV. There is at least one old registration floating around. That has zero value as to car disposition, current ownership, etc.

Or you can try this company

Custom Replica California License Plates – CalPlates.com
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Aluminum - originals were steel.
Stockton Quincy was in Westwood (L.A.) it was a small dealership. They were kinda the dealer to the stars. It's where most of the management companies of stars and music groups ordered their cars through. The older frame is on Fleabay for $950.00

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Oh and I am suprised no one has said .... this whole topic is a sales pitch for Edelbrock carbs 

A 56 2year old Edelbrock would have it's own drama.

Fixed it........

Group II was a class spec dictated by the FIA. SCCA used those specs to determine the legality of cars competing in their classes. Shelby was allowed by Ford to build their own TA cars in 1967. They were required to use the specs from Kar Kraft to build their cars. In 68 & 69 Shelby ran cars on loan from Ford and built by Kar Kraft.
TA rules changed each year - The original SCCA GCRs (General Competition Rules) can be found on line for the TransAm series - forgot I had them printed out the scans as a PDF. Flares can be traced directly to horsepower increases needing bigger tire packages. By 73 they were allowing large fiberglass flares but still unibody (full fiberglass fenders, 1/4s, hood and cages from front to rear - more about chassis stiffening than driver protection). When the silhouette cars (full tube) were first built 1980 the only steel part required was the roof panel. In 89 those chassis got full fiberglass sorta looks like a Mustang bodies. Today TransAm is a spec series with 2 levels dictated by sealed engine power levels.
Attached are the 67 & 68 FIA Group II specs for the Mustang.
The primary purpose of Group 2 was to serve as an intermediate class, bridging the gap between Group 1's strictly standard touring cars and the specialized Group 3 GT cars by permitting controlled modifications that enhanced racing capability without departing significantly from road-legal production specifications.[8] This approach maintained a strong connection to everyday road car heritage, encouraging manufacturers to develop affordable, competitive variants that could be raced with minimal deviation from factory builds. By emphasizing close-to-production standards, Group 2 promoted broader manufacturer participation in motorsport, making it accessible for series like touring car championships while ensuring vehicles retained their production lineage

I have no problem with someone covering the fees so they are secure in the process. 

You are a known quantity on this forum so it shouldn't be a issue.

I didn't want my comment to cast any doubt on SCcarbuff only as another method to use PayPal payments.

ALL the "Shelby, Cobra, GT350, GT500" Mustangs since 1967 have been FULLY developed by Ford Motor Company. The were done by inhouse by Ford Engineers under the guise of several different departments - Shelby Automotive, Motorsports, SVO, SVT.
Yes even the 2006-08 Shelby GTs got changes installed that were developed and produced by Fords engineers. Don't forget that the coil spring 3000 Cobra chassis was also created on the drawing board of Ford's chassis genius Klaus Arning - who also created the mods for the 65 GT350 chassis.

If he sends a invoice or payment request the seller is charged a fee .

Thanks for the heads up on the PayPal fee.  I'll just need the name or email of SFcarbuff to send the $20 as a friend/family payment.

The fee is 3% if I'm buying from someone I don't know I'll send the $ for goods and add 5% to cover their fees. I've had a couple people still demand friends and family where the buyer has no recourse - once it's sent you lose any possible chance of a refund if the item doesn't show up. Needless to say I declined to send the $ in those cases.

This appears to be just a dealer order form (as it states on the bottom line). Note it says TO: Shelby American Inc.
I think any formal 65/6 production form did not exist. An order came in and the lot boy was told to go get X color car. When it started down the line there may have been a copy of the order stuck under a windshield wiper or some code for options was written in grease pencil on the glass. But no photos have surfaced showing either. Are any people left who worked on the line day to day? In any case once it left the line there was no reason to retain the build options - they were noted on the invoice SA sent to the dealer.

For the 1966 black and gold cars, was it the same ordering process as the regular GT350?

Who originated the order Hertz to Ford to Shelby?

Or .....

Only 1 order for those - 1,000 units black, gold LeMans stripes, auto, magnum wheels. Hertz bought the cars from SA. SA was the manufacturer. SA ordered the KD cars from Ford. The production problems account for the other colors. Hertz wanted cars - SA was slow - CS snake oiled them into taking some in stock colors to speed up the delivery.
Now - the SA cars went back to Ford dealers for resale. What was the agreement/process for that. The Hertz contracts then had a buyback clause with a set value. This was before Hertz opened their own dealers.

Probably not. SA was a disorganized mess. Production was a problem from day 1. The 65/6 cars really only had a 2-3 options. Ford sent their engineers there to try and improve the assembly line. The "production order" sounds like a Ford idea to tell the line what to put on each car.

5029, the Carroll Shelby School of High Performance Driving Instructor's car, will also be there. I don't believe it has ever been displayed anywhere outside the West Coast.

Kind regards,
Vern

Bruce (Gooch) Kawaguchi's school car. After his passing LASAAC did a commemorative pin of 029.
Motor Trend article on Bruce & the car by Rick Titus  https://www.motortrend.com/features/1510-super-rare-one-of-3-shelby-driving-school-gt-350

I heard Willow was sold. Any news?

Yes - it's not good. Lynn Park has given back both the COCOA days for Big Willow.
Their new price for a weekend was 3-4 times greater than before. The real deal killer was the requirement that the renter accept any and all liability for any damage or accidents. There is also talk they will require a hans device.
They are going to repave it and modify the runoff areas to FIA specs. I'm glad I attended the last COCOA event there.