How was the hook mounted? Was it done on the line at Dearborn and painted over when the trunk was painted or mounted at AO Smith? Any pics of original cars showing the detail? Thanks. Gary
I am the first to plead ignorance but what is a box hook?
Its a 69 cougar part that mounts the 69 cougar flasher box on lh trunk floor drop and stick welded on a 69 shelby since they use the same rear wiring setup as a cougar. If its missing on a shelby it usually means the trunk floor was replaced and the hook wasnt removed from the original rusted or damaged floor. I have seen the same problem on the rh shelby trunk floor when replaced and the SS bottle bracket that was also stick welded on to the rh floor didnt get removed from the original floor and rewelded back on the replaced floor. Both these trunk floor brackets were installed at dearborn plant before paint since the cougars and boss 302s (of which these parts came from) were built on the same assembly plant line as the 69 shelbys were.
I dont have the answer but just want to advise you there suppose to have a 3/4 " foam stuck behind the sequential module .Something to consider before you weld .This topic has been raised in the past but I dont find it.
Patrick
Quote from: Shelbypat on November 30, 2020, 09:01:32 AM
I dont have the answer but just want to advise you there suppose to have a 3/4 " foam stuck behind the sequential module .Something to consider before you weld .This topic has been raised in the past but I dont find it.
Patrick
I'm more curious on how Ford did it and how the finish should look. Thanks for the heads up on the foam. I got a few of those boxes having bought at swap meets. I'm running LED tail lights now and highly recommend them. Gary
Quote from: Shelbypat on November 30, 2020, 09:01:32 AM
I dont have the answer but just want to advise you there suppose to have a 3/4 " foam stuck behind the sequential module .Something to consider before you weld .This topic has been raised in the past but I dont find it.
Patrick
The hook was added prior to paint as Ed mentioned .The foam pad had adhesive and was stuck to the backside of the plastic module box. Given the wiring was added after any welding or paint work on the assemblyline the foam and welding would not be a issue . I think even if adding the hook if a previous restoration forgot that common sense (or at least would hope) would tell one to keep wiring and combustibles away from area during welding.
Thanks Ed and Bob. Somehow I missed Ed's post and read Pat's post yesterday. I was wondering how it was done paint wise so thanks. Gary
Foam I've seen/found was a very dense tight cell product that can be a challenge to find when you need some. I found some mattress cover/topper foam that was a pretty close match
As far as the "hook" here are a couple of pictures from different angles
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/14/6-021220001002.jpeg)
In some cases a layer of seam sealer (likely a continuation from the rear wheel well to floor) found its way over the hook to floor area as shown below. Of course if the car had the Calif Evap system all of this is difficult to see
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/14/6-011220235017.jpeg)
The welding of the hook typically looks very poor and is often challenged as added by those are unfamiliar with the correct s#itty look. ::) In this case if it were a nice weld in that location then it would be a red flag that the part was added since a nice weld in that location would be out of the ordinary. ;)
Quote from: Bob Gaines on December 02, 2020, 11:38:42 AM
The welding of the hook typically looks very poor and is often challenged as added by those are unfamiliar with the correct s#itty look. ::) In this case if it were a nice weld in that location then it would be a red flag that the part was added since a nice weld in that location would be out of the ordinary. ;)
West Coast Cougars has a closeup pic of the part welded in. Bob, do you or anyone else have a good clear pic of the hook mounted in a car? On my restoration it sat for over a year in my guy's shop before work was done. While the pass side drop off was good and not replaced I had the DS replaced(minor rust). I do not know why I never missed the hook in my resto. Never gave it a thought as my metal man didn't SAVE it and I need one now. I found one locally still mounted to a cut off portion of a Cougar but the shape(bends) doesn't look right to the WCC pic on their website. I have a good idea on how I will put one on my car but need to find a hook worthy of putting in my car. Gary
From rip forum.
Others may comment as I dont know the historical of the car. BTW It is what a used to duplicate when I welded mine.
Patrick
Quote from: Shelbypat on December 02, 2020, 05:32:25 PM
From rip forum.
Others may comment as I dont know the historical of the car. BTW It is what a used to duplicate when I welded mine.
Patrick
Other then the perceived odd silver color it looks like a typical installation workmanship and location wise IMO. The welding quality varied .
Quote from: Bob Gaines on December 02, 2020, 06:12:07 PM
Other then the perceived odd silver color it looks like a typical installation workmanship and location wise IMO. The welding quality varied .
If your referring to the cars color, believe that is Jade Black and an example of what digital cameras and odd lighting can do to a color :)
Remember cougar trunk floors are different than mustang so the hook was designed to only fit cougars but was added to 69 shelbys also
Photo
Quote from: 69 GT350 Vert on December 02, 2020, 07:04:10 PM
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I feel like I have to comment that when you changed to the correct hook you should not have used the seam sealer to disguise the installation . That looks out of the ordinary compared to original. I would not like to see that copied by others.
When i had my trunk repainted back to original red (was painted black) by a shop in 2013, they looked closely at my trunk floors and said they were original. Which makes sense as my car is a California car with no rust. What was interesting is my early car #100 appeared to never have evidence of a hook being welded into my car according to the shop. I started a thread on this on Forum 1.0. Consensus was I should add the hook because it should have been there based on the majority of cars observed. Consequently, I added the hook. When I started that thread on the old forum, I did receive some other photos, which I kept and attached below.
I have seen deadner around original hooks.
Quote from: Special Ed on December 03, 2020, 12:19:33 PM
I have seen deadner around original hooks.
Ed, I have too. My point is that the ones with the deadner were not typical where as the ones without sound deadener were typical. I discourage non typical features copied unless it was correct for that specific car it is being used on. But that is just me.
Quote from: Special Ed on December 02, 2020, 06:33:26 PM
Remember cougar trunk floors are different than mustang so the hook was designed to only fit cougars but was added to 69 shelbys also
here is their pic of a used hook they sell. I will assume it is an incorrect pic of a 69 bracket/hook? Can you guys comment on the pic? Thanks to all for the pics provided and the expert info. Gary
https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/69seqhook.html?sessionthemeid=26
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on December 03, 2020, 05:53:47 PM
here is their pic of a used hook they sell. I will assume it is an incorrect pic of a 69 bracket/hook? Can you guys comment on the pic? Thanks to all for the pics provided and the expert info. Gary
https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/69seqhook.html?sessionthemeid=26
To be certain one would want to measure the total length of the metal. You could reshape and remove the step that is apparent in the picture and make it flat/straight as used (still leaving the bend for the hook) for the Shelby application
Quote from: J_Speegle on December 03, 2020, 06:20:04 PM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on December 03, 2020, 05:53:47 PM
here is their pic of a used hook they sell. I will assume it is an incorrect pic of a 69 bracket/hook? Can you guys comment on the pic? Thanks to all for the pics provided and the expert info. Gary
https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/69seqhook.html?sessionthemeid=26
To be certain one would want to measure the total length of the metal. You could reshape and remove the step that is apparent in the picture and make it flat/straight as used (still leaving the bend for the hook) for the Shelby application
I found one for sale locally that appears to not have that bend seen in the WCC's pic in my link. It is out of a Cougar I was told. Would this look correct?
The hook in the add with the lowered bend maybe out of a 71 cougar or a later running change but most i seen were flat in 69 cougars anyway.
Quote from: Special Ed on December 04, 2020, 12:59:46 PM
The hook in the add with the lowered bend maybe out of a 71 cougar or a later running change but most i seen were flat in 69 cougars anyway.
Thanks. I'm think WCC just used a file photo for all years. Hard to think they would sell an incorrect one year wise. Gary
here are 2 pics of my bracket. I have no reason to believe because of the heavy surface rust on the other side of what's left of the trunk that this wasn't original to the Cougar it was cut out of. In the top pic there was undercoating on part of the bracket along the bottom edge as seen in the top pic and you can see "cleaner" metal protected by the undercoat also(refer to reply #21 for before pics). The undercoating a little got down in the hook portion. It is always easy to tell undercoating when you are blasting it off. The bottom of the hook appears to never have been painted and was bare steel. Floor was dimpled in the Cougar for correct hook placement. Gary