First post, so please excuse any newbie errors.
I am having trouble locating details for the following :
8T02J149322-01113.
I have tried Mustang decoders etc.
Could this car be in the 68 GT 350H registry?
Be very grateful for any assistance.
Thanks in anticipation.
I think you have the VIN incorrect and the car was originally white, but this should answer your questions:
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/8-221119102733.jpeg)
Hi,
Thank you for responding.
I have attached a copy of the Marti Report I was sent.
When I was 68 Registrar, there were three sets of cars that had the same Shelby unit numbers. I don't remember which ones.
This may be one of them? It made me wonder if there were more? It looked like Smith was the one that miss numbered them?
Incidentally. I have -01107
Looks like a great question for K Marti
I think I have a picture of the VIN tag in my files....
I must say this is very interesting. I have the engine from #1114
Hmm this should prove interesting.
I wonder if a through inspection of the car itself would settle this? The hidden Ford no's May settle this. Finding a "lost" Shelby is always going to be difficult to check out.
Wonder if a SAAC registar would be able to do an inspection or recommend someone who can undertake an inspection.
Coralsnake, you have a photo of the VIN tag for which car, the one Shelbydoug is mentioning or the one in question?
Would the current registar be able to pull the documents for the three sets of cars that had the same Shelby Unit no's?
Car is in Massachusetts. "Seller has good title"
Thank you for your input Shelbydoug and Coralsnake.
After a brief discussion with the Registrar, the copy I posted is correct. Sorry, no duplicates exist.
The second copy is a forgery.
I will post more pictures tomorrow of 1113 tag.
The tags and paperwork for 1131 look correct to me.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-shelby-mustang-gt350-2/
The second Marti report in this thread belongs to this car. It appears someone has altered it to become a false report for 1113.
Here is the article I found the car in.
https://barnfinds.com/recent-refurbishment-1968-shelby-gt350-h/?utm_campaign=Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Newsletter+(Daily)
I then followed it to the eBay advert.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1968-Ford-Mustang-/274095299239?nma=true&si=kFgzTsn1UJkEWa16p3%252FZT8784s8%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
The uk ebay ad was likely a scam, that might explain why the seller created a false report
The barn finds article is fine. That car is 1131.
This is a very good example of what makes this forum so valuable. The help you get from the experts on this site is unbelievable!
Quote from: Coralsnake on November 23, 2019, 07:07:26 AM
The uk ebay ad was likely a scam, that might explain why the seller created a false report
The barn finds article is fine. That car is 1131.
Pity the Barn Finds people linked the scam eBay advert in their article.
The Seller of the "cloned" car says he has good title. How?
You're questioning a scammers honesty?
Barnfinds is a copy site, they copy information from other sources
Quote from: Corey Bowcutt on November 23, 2019, 07:37:41 AM
This is a very good example of what makes this forum so valuable. The help you get from the experts on this site is unbelievable!
Always go to the experts! Saved someone close on $35,000.00!
How do the scammers get away with trying this?
Quote from: ukvinny on November 23, 2019, 03:19:57 AM
Hmm this should prove interesting.
I wonder if a through inspection of the car itself would settle this? The hidden Ford no's May settle this. Finding a "lost" Shelby is always going to be difficult to check out.
Wonder if a SAAC registar would be able to do an inspection or recommend someone who can undertake an inspection.
Coralsnake, you have a photo of the VIN tag for which car, the one Shelbydoug is mentioning or the one in question?
Would the current registar be able to pull the documents for the three sets of cars that had the same Shelby Unit no's?
Car is in Massachusetts. "Seller has good title"
Thank you for your input Shelbydoug and Coralsnake.
You have to ask Vincent that. It would appear at this point that the Marti Report, which are generated from the original Ford records contain the errors as well? Only Kevin Marti has access to those records.
On a '68, the Ford serial number is the Shelby ID. The Shelby consecutive serial number is just an add on. I don't know how this all effects the total number produced or if there are missing Shelby consecutive numbers missing/skipped by Smith to make the total work out?
It is somewhat of a mess if not an enigma? It may be something that the 68 Registrar cannot answer? It might only be answerable by a total printout by Marti of the entire '68 Shelby production records to identify the double numbered cars and/or the skipped numbers?
Frankly, I think you should start with Marti. The 68 Registrar likely knows only what was submitted to him unless he was able to have obtained an entire 68 production print out from Marti himself?
Marti will need to verify if both of those reports are legitimate anyway.
Im sure the person altering a Marti report would have no scrupples making a title
Doug there are no problems or issues with Ford records or numbers. Someone altered the report after the fact, to create a false report for 1113.
If you think you are going to buy a 1968 Shelby for $35k , you need a lot of help and are ripe for a scammer
The Registrar has all the numbers, so do others
Quote from: Coralsnake on November 23, 2019, 07:42:14 AM
You're questioning a scammers honesty?
Barnfinds is a copy site, they copy information from other sources
Just wondering how they fake these things.
Okay, I didn't know about the Barn Finds site being a copied articles site. Useful.
Thanks for all your input.
Very easy with a computer. Tags can be recreated too.
Its a 70k car. Millions of people see every car ad on the interweb and its going to sell for 50 cents on the dollar? Defies logic
Quote from: Coralsnake on November 23, 2019, 07:46:26 AM
Im sure the person altering a Marti report would have no scrupples making a title
Doug there are no problems or issues with Ford records or numbers. Someone altered the report after the fact, to create a false report for 1113.
If you think you are going to buy a 1968 Shelby for $35k , you need a lot of help and are ripe for a scammer
The Registrar has all the numbers, so do others
That is likely the answer but it's not a scientific answer. Present the reports to Marti and let him reply that.
If you eliminate the selling price from the equation, there is too much coincidence in the documentation.
A caution flag should be issued on it (and probably will) and all advised to check with the appropriate Registrar before laying out any cash. That was the intent of a Registry to begin with.
Quote from: Coralsnake on November 23, 2019, 05:37:02 AM
The tags and paperwork for 1131 look correct to me.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-shelby-mustang-gt350-2/
The second Marti report in this thread belongs to this car. It appears someone has altered it to become a false report for 1113.
Look at the Marti again. Looks a little different than usual!
Fairly recently I was very nearly scammed. Only a phone call to confirm a few things and a very strong Russian accent and no knowledge of the car put me off
Yes, it was 10k below market (strangely when I found the original auction is sold on, it sold for very nearly exactly 10k more than the ask was on the one I was viewing)
Fake advert had an incredible description (take from previous) all questions answered very quickly, When asked for a title, local household bill and an ID I got all three rather quickly (few hours) and each one jived with where the car supposedly was (Colorado springs) with the household bill being from the Colorado springs local water company. It was unreal. Incredible detail to that scam
My radar was up as the car was a bit too cheap but not so cheap it was impossible.