https://fantomworks.com/project/1970-shelby-gt500/
I saw the beginning of the show but missed the end where they state how much the restoration cost; anyone catch the price tag?
Didn't see it but if Fantomworks did the restoration it's score about 50% of concours.
"Didn't see it but if Fantomworks did the restoration it's score about 50% of concours."
;D
Its been discussed on the forum. I dont want to generalize, but most shops that cater to multi-makes (Chevy/Ford/Foriegn/GM) are not very sucessful capturing the details of specialty cars like a Shelby.
The shop made the statement the engine bay was ready for any show. But, without some major items like a thermactor system, the car could not be competitive.
They also made an issue about the side stripes, in my opinion, they still fell short capturing the factory appearance.
The differential was painted black just like the housing. Far from concours.
Curious what they charged the guy for this resto...
Im pretty sure they say the number of hours of labor. But, I didnt note what it was...
Every time he says system... its 10k minimum >:( Brakes, suspension ,ignition ,exhaust etc. NO THANKS !
Quote from: billmunny on October 02, 2019, 01:43:49 PM
Curious what they charged the guy for this resto...
He says what the amount was in one of the episodes. I think it was right when the guy showed up after the car was done , if I recall it was over 6 figures
Quote from: acman63 on October 02, 2019, 03:20:40 PM
He says what the amount was in one of the episodes. I think it was right when the guy showed up after the car was done , if I recall it was over 6 figures
But, but, he got to be on T.V. ::)
A full restoration is typically a 1,000 hours in labor (plus/minus) I will let you do the math and add parts...
Three pictures of the car just because we all know that the link will die at some point in the future, leaving readers wondering what we were discussing or seeing in the link.
Not the completed car but in progress pictures.
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/12/6-021019223520.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/12/6-021019223538.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/12/6-021019223502.jpeg)
Entertaining for sure. If someone said that car would take 1000 hours to make like new, he needs to be taken out behind the wood shed. Paint upholstery engine brakes glass install etc. No where near that, the key is you need to know how long each (SYSTEM) takes for a competent mechanic to perform. If you are starting with a complete or semi complete car all the better. When you run the numbers and double check your math you will be a happy camper when your not bent over a barrel in a compromising position. :-[
That's a lot of black!
I do believe that someone else said it was six figures plus. I would really like to see a lot of fantomworks cars up close, they always look like hardware store bolt, spray can "restorations". Personally, I got to the point where I can't watch that show anymore, Dan is such a drama queen.
Other than that it was a great show. 😎
Quote from: J_Speegle on October 02, 2019, 10:37:00 PM
Three pictures of the car just because we all know that the link will die at some point in the future, leaving readers wondering what we were discussing or seeing in the link.
Not the completed car but in progress pictures.
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/12/6-021019223520.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/12/6-021019223538.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/12/6-021019223502.jpeg)
My first thought is it is sad example for a supposed high quality concours restoration. It is obvious by the pictures that they are unaware of how the cars were put together and or build techniques used from the factory. I am glad I did not watch the show because it would be more frustrating to see the mistakes then entertaining.
Its very difficult to describe to someone what a "concours" restoration is....that is why the term is so mis-used.
Im not knocking the work done, Im sure their Camaro and Simca restorations are very similar.
These are specialty cars and require specialist to achieve high quailty, historically correct builds.
Watched quite a few of the shows... I believe they are on a $80/hr rate for everything based on some of his bill reviews with owners. He is a drama queen , maybe just for the show , who knows. But I have never seen a finished product that would qualify as "concours" quality. And I think the show has since been cancelled ?
This may be the Shelby where the driver side exhaust manifold bangs the shock tower on a hard rev. He blows this off that this happened with a bunch of Mustangs with 'SCJs' because the metal was sloppy aligned and assembled. It tells me the shock tower got pushed in because of accident or rust. If you see the owners usual lack of shock when they look at the bill I have to believe the TV show is picking some or all of the cost.
Soooo many mistakes but one of the most obvious is the before pictures show the upper cowl was blacked out but the after pictures shows body color. I wonder what the build date was.
TOB
I do recall some comments in the show sbout the exhaust manifold hitting the engine compartment side. They seemed to indicate it as a problem inherant to all similar cars.
I don't not believe that is the case
I'd love to know the details of the TV/production financials involved.
Are people drawn so much to having their car on TV? I've never seen this show where the final bill discussion isn't very high!
The automotive restoration business attracts many oddball, wierdos and misfits, especially for television. We are drawn to the shows that we relate to its owners or not. Would I go to Gas Monkey garage to discuss my project NO, Dick I mean Richard doesn't know the difference between an allen wrench or a box wrench. How about the 3 women that do oil changes and check air pressures for your project :-[ Or the bald headed guy that makes chicken soup out of chicken SH.. I do love that guys ingenuity to adapt and overcome must of been ex military. How about the odd tattooed little guy from GAS Galpin Ford that makes some customs for his clientele, or Dan the drama man. Only one I seem to like these days is KINDIGIT designs, his men do beautiful work.
How much of the bill is "covered" by "the show" ? I heard it was significant. Dan complained how the filming got "in the way" of the work and retakes and staging the shots really slowed the work down. Yes he is a drama queen for sure.
Talked to him at the NRA show a couple of years back when he was there to judge the show. Nice enough in person, but said the filming gets in the way of work. He told us then that he agreed to do only one more year of the show at that time. Someone asked him if any of the customer's bill was paid by the producers, and he said "no". He did say he doesn't endorse any of the equipment used at the shop, but in the last year, that changed. And yes, he got a pretty good payday from the Discovery Channel for doing the show. He told us that new hires were forbidden to "talk" on TV unless they had been employed there for more than 6 months.
I wouldn't consider the work they do at Fantom Works "correct" or even close to concourse. More of a custom shop where they take people's problem cars and make them work by using parts from just about anything. Every customer seems to have a "story", often a tale of woe from another shop, and Dan then cobbles things back together. I can't watch the show any more because of the fake drama.
I wonder about rehab (restoration???) shops like this one consider their primary concours parts supplier to be Pookie or similar.
Quote from: Don Johnston on October 11, 2019, 04:57:26 PM
I wonder about rehab (restoration???) shops like this one consider their primary concours parts supplier to be Pookie or similar.
More likely their primary supplier is an online catalog for one of the shops welling reproduction parts. Quick, no hunting/searching, to your door step and often described as "concours correct" ::)