Ok gang, what's the scoop?
https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=173669¤t_index=0&total_results=34&tsauction_id=201&=&caryear=&caryearto=&search_text=&page=featured&showpage=2
Is there a premium for the first 100 cars as opposed to later 1965's?
Caution fan sticker? Ugh
M.
If I had the extra cash-o-la laying around to buy a 65 I would be one who would pay more for a sub 100 car. Battery in the trunk etc...... early mystique car.
Yes, it seems that the sub 100 cars do in fact bring a premium
this car was fir sale in russo and steele in 2018 , and there's few warning light flashing on those pictures ...
What do you think it will Bid UP to and what do you think it SHOULD Sale For?
just sent him headers , exhaust and a few sundry other items last second of course
Who is "Concours Restorations"?
Quote from: 2112 on February 19, 2019, 04:34:50 PM
Who is "Concours Restorations"?
Maybe the question is "who was". Don't know currently but I think that was the name of Drew Alcazar's restoration shop back in the 90's
Just a guess based just on the business name
Yep, spot on J Speegle >>>>>>
Drew did have that shop back in the day.
After closing Paradise Restorations, he went to work at Barrett-Jackson.
This was right after Brian Jackson passed away.
I know because I was offered his old position at their company by his brother after he passed,
I used to talk with Brian all the time about Shelby's and the market as a whole.
Utah John back then, huh Big Jim & Mr Vinnie !!!
As I recall, Brian went Vintage racing in his 65 Shelby and got real sick all at once, went home
and right to the DR.
Cancer as I recall in his stomach, real sad, as he was a cool dude.
I am not so sure that I was not involved with this car back in the day.
I remember a certain David Garaway Cobra that Ned personally inspected for me,
I ended up selling it to a customer of Drew's or Drew himself, don't remember exactly.
As most know, he now owns Russo-Steele.
Time flies my friends.
John
I owned this car years ago. Very rusty in door hinge area around areas were doors bolted on and rear quarters around side vents . Floors were good. All sheet metal was original. Motor was a hippo but not original to car. Was told it from 6s122 a couple years later when I bought it from Robert Mungrul. I sold it to Wayne Conover (cobra ranch) no telling what he did to it. Interesting is no one has ever contacted me about car. Car was just to rusty for me.
Quote from: BGlover67 on February 19, 2019, 01:14:34 PM
Is there a premium for the first 100 cars as opposed to later 1965's?
Probably
In reality it's convenient to have the battery in front fo sure.
It seems this car crossed the block a couple of days ago and was bid up to $350K, reserve not met. Was anyone there that can confirm and provide more information?
Quote from: BGlover67 on February 19, 2019, 01:14:34 PM
Is there a premium for the first 100 cars as opposed to later 1965's?
I'm not sure about the first 100, but I think the early cars built at the Venice location bring a premium.
Steve
Yep, Drew Alcazar back in the mid 80's-90's. He was owner of Concours Restorations and He had a lot of articles in Mustang magazines back in the day on restoration techniques, detail in finishes, paint marks/daubs, etc.
He and his wife Josephine are founders of Russo & Steele sometime around 2000.
Looks like this car will be run through R&S once again at Monterey in August, which I believe will be the 3rd auction in about a 1 year stretch. In March it did not meet reserve at $350K.
Does it hurt the expected selling price to have the same car appear at so many auctions?
Quote from: sfm5 on June 22, 2019, 02:35:19 PM
Looks like this car will be run through R&S once again at Monterey in August, which I believe will be the 3rd auction in about a 1 year stretch. In March it did not meet reserve at $350K.
Does it hurt the expected selling price to have the same car appear at so many auctions?
Great question. IMO (and from what I've seen), running the car multiple times in a short timeframe does hurt it. People will see what it hammered at previously, figure that is the starting point, and hope the seller is more desperate. A seller looks more desperate when they run back to back to back. However, I've seen auction house owned cars run for more than two years straight and still not sell - no fees to list the car, given its owner by the auction house.
Quote from: sfm5 on June 22, 2019, 02:35:19 PM
Does it hurt the expected selling price to have the same car appear at so many auctions?
I think it does. And if it's common knowledge that it was once rusty,...well then that's a bigger factor.
Got in my email from Russo last week:
It was on R&S letterhead
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Some entrepreneurs believe a "family business" includes only the relatives and loved ones they employ. After nearly 20 years of success operating what Josephine and I proudly call "the most exciting collector automobile auction in the world," our family today includes tens of thousands of partners, sponsors, vendors, bidders, consignors and fellow classic car enthusiasts – clients and friends like you.
Josephine and I want to personally thank you for being a part of the Russo and Steele family. Your passion, loyalty and friendship have been essential to our success. You are also a primary reason why we're so thrilled to be celebrating our 20th anniversary in January next year.
As you know, our last three Scottsdale events were staged at Salt River Fields. That will not be the case moving forward. While a baseball venue presented challenges for an auction like ours, we worked hard and invested millions of our dollars to produce a world-class event at SRF. We paid our bills in full, donated thousands of dollars to tribal charitable efforts and annually generated more than $50 million in economic impact for the Salt River Pima-Maricopa Indian Community and the surrounding Valley.
In a close-knit community like the collector car world, rumors travel even faster than a Shelby GT. That's the second reason for this letter: We need to set the record straight. In the Alcazar family, we believe you don't bullshit family members. You keep your promises. You treat people honestly. Word is bond. And you do what you must to protect your reputation and your brand, because few things matter more.
Protecting the integrity of Russo and Steele stands at the heart of two lawsuits we were compelled to file recently. The first action, filed against our former Director of Operations, alleges egregious breaches of his duties, including efforts to sabotage and destroy our relationship with Salt River Fields and its tribal ownership.
The second legal action was filed this week against Ritchie Bros./Leake Auctions. The suit alleges tortious interference and related acts committed by this publicly held, multi-billion dollar conglomerate – a company that has previously been subjected to a punitive damage award for its business practices.
In sum, we will see these people in court, where Josephine and I intend to seek to hold accountable those who have undertaken acts to seriously damage what we've worked for decades to build. Russo and Steele's hard-earned reputation for doing business the right way deserves no less.
As for the challenges ahead, all we can say is, "bring it on." The next few months will surely generate an abundance of rumor and innuendo. Regardless, we are confident that rabidly loyal folks like you – friends and partners of many years – will know the truth. Those of you who attended Russo and Steele in 2010 surely have not forgotten the high winds and pounding rain that brought down a pair of 800-foot-long display tents. That disaster and its millions of dollars in damages would have terminally crushed many other companies. Not Russo and Steele. With tremendous help from many members of our collector family, we cleaned up and staged an incredible two-day auction that same weekend.
Almost 10 years later, we're still standing strong. Russo and Steele has faced storms before – and persevered regardless. This storm will be no different, you have our word.
We look forward to sharing our biggest auction to date, our 20th Anniversary Celebration this coming January in Scottsdale. We'll be back in touch soon to announce our host venue and other relevant details.
In the meantime, we look forward to seeing you in Monterey in mid-August. With a spectacular lineup of outstanding consignments already in the fold for that event, it promises to be the perfect lead-up to our flagship Scottsdale auction come January!
With gratitude and thanks for your friendship.
Drew and Josphines Signature Blue
Drew and Josephine Alcazar
Owners
Russo and Steele, LLC
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Collector Automobile Auctions
7722 East Gray Road, Suite C
Scottsdale, AZ 85260
Didn't drew steal a list of vips from Barrett Jackson?
This is all so psychotic, really undercuts a meritorious discussion of this car and its' (ahem) 'presentation'.
Anyway, I see a 65 w/o original sheetmetal, underhood components, and seemingly w/o its' original engine. Fairly substantive issues.
What good is a Shelby if it doesn't have a Shelby engine?
On the other hand alot of red herrings; i.e. 'early car' (laughable); rear battery (the MAJORITY of 65 GT-350s had such, rare?); and by gosh it was sold to a 'special high profile customer'. ooh la la
To have 'passed' on a '350k' bid in a prior auction, well....these are strait-up auctions!
Quote from: camp upshur on June 24, 2019, 03:14:54 AM
This is all so psychotic, really undercuts a meritorious discussion of this car and its' (ahem) 'presentation'.
Anyway, I see a 65 w/o original sheetmetal, underhood components, and seemingly w/o its' original engine. Fairly substantive issues.
What good is a Shelby if it doesn't have a Shelby engine?
On the other hand alot of red herrings; i.e. 'early car' (laughable); rear battery (the MAJORITY of 65 GT-350s had such, rare?); and by gosh it was sold to a 'special high profile customer'. ooh la la
To have 'passed' on a '350k' bid in a prior auction, well....these are strait-up auctions!
You are assuming that the 350 K was real money also. It might not have been. Some times auction houses shill bid a car up to protect the buyer (so they say) if there is no money in the house to protect it's value. No saying this happened in this case but it happens none the less ;) .
Since there's some wisdom in the comments here; others may agree with me that having an original Shelby with its original sheet metal and drive train with no rust repair would without a higher level of restoration VS one that has replaced important parts and or sheet metal but restored to the highest level?? I'm a taker of the one with its original provenance! Wow those 65's bid up disproportionate to a 66 in MHO !
Quote from: cob4ra on June 24, 2019, 09:57:33 PM
Wow those 65's bid up disproportionate to a 66 in MHO !
Almost 5x as many 66's made... simple law of supply vs demand.
Quote from: cob4ra on June 24, 2019, 09:57:33 PM
Wow those 65's bid up disproportionate to a 66 in MHO !
Like a rookie Satchel Paige baseball card it's the most sought after.
It appears this car sold yesterday for $412,500.