Have a couple of radiator questions;
Are there rubber insulators between the radiator and radiator support?
Is the radiator hung using 4 thru-bolts and nuts or does the radiator support have those body clips that bolts thread thru? Edit; U-nut retainer is what I believe the clips are called.
Anyone have a picture
Thanks
If I understand the question correctly
Quote from: 2112 on February 02, 2018, 01:38:38 AM
Are there rubber insulators between the radiator and radiator support?
On a GT500 yes
Quote from: 2112 on February 02, 2018, 01:38:38 AMIs the radiator hung using 4 thru-bolts and nuts or does the radiator support have those body clips that bolts thread thru? Edit; U-nut retainer is what I believe the clips are called.
On a GT350 yes there are U or J nuts the mounting bolts insert into. On the 500 the radiator really isn't bolted in its held/cradled between the upper and lower brackets witht he pads mentioned above
Pictures of which or both?
Quote from: J_Speegle on February 02, 2018, 04:32:35 AM
Pictures of which or both?
Yes, both please. Thank you.
I bought the AMK guide book, but there are no schematics, so if you don't know the part #, it is of little use.
The car has the upper support bracket, but the radiator was bolted to the radiator support panel (GT350 style?) so it appears I need a lower bracket and rubber insulator.
Anyone have a source for the rubber?
Quote from: 2112 on February 02, 2018, 11:02:58 AM
Quote from: J_Speegle on February 02, 2018, 04:32:35 AM
Pictures of which or both?
Yes, both please. Thank you.
I bought the AMK guide book, but there are no schematics, so if you don't know the part #, it is of little use.
The car has the upper support bracket, but the radiator was bolted to the radiator support panel (GT350 style?) so it appears I need a lower bracket and rubber insulator.
Anyone have a source for the rubber?
I would be concerned that the radiator is the correct style . The correct radiator would not be able to bolt onto the radiator support small block style without modification.
I think you said it was a later model 428 radiator.
It actually works well. For now I will continue on my quest for correct parts since obviously this radiator is not correct. Still would like to see correct mount tho.
Quote from: 2112 on February 02, 2018, 06:38:43 PM
I think you said it was a later model 428 radiator.
It actually works well. For now I will continue on my quest for correct parts since obviously this radiator is not correct. Still would like to see correct mount tho.
The later 68 -70 style radiator (wider) would not bolt on ether. It most likely is a after market style . The bottom brackets are unique to 67 . 68-70 is another style . The upper style is the same between 67 and 68.
Mansfield Mustang sells both the upper and lower brackets.
Looks like Bob got to the pictures first this time
The GT350 connects to plates or filler plates that bridge the edge of the radiator to the radiator support
The upper mount for the 67 GT500 radiator came in two versions the first (poor design) was changed in Nov 67 (78 production). On the 67 version the end edges were too sharp and could cause damage to the top tank so they were redsigned/modified to address this issue.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on February 02, 2018, 07:39:03 PM
The later 68 -70 style radiator (wider) would not bolt on ether. It most likely is a after market style . The bottom brackets are unique to 67 . 68-70 is another style . The upper style is the same between 67 and 68.
Top Tank is stamped FoMoCo, but beyond that? I don't know.
Thank you for the pictures. I have the top bracket but not the bottom.
edit; do the bottom brackets have a rubber insulator too or is it metal on metal?
edit #2 yes, I found the insulators
Quote from: 2112 on February 02, 2018, 08:38:50 PM
Top Tank is stamped FoMoCo, but beyond that? I don't know.
Check the drivers side strap/frame or the top tank for numbers, and or date
Quote from: 2112 on February 02, 2018, 08:38:50 PMThank you for the pictures. I have the top bracket but not the bottom.
At least they make the 67 only bottom brackets so the link Bob posted should help you mark off another part (s) off your list
Quote from: 2112 on February 02, 2018, 08:38:50 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on February 02, 2018, 07:39:03 PM
The later 68 -70 style radiator (wider) would not bolt on ether. It most likely is a after market style . The bottom brackets are unique to 67 . 68-70 is another style . The upper style is the same between 67 and 68.
Top Tank is stamped FoMoCo, but beyond that? I don't know.
Thank you for the pictures. I have the top bracket but not the bottom.
edit; do the bottom brackets have a rubber insulator too or is it metal on metal?
edit #2 yes, I found the insulators
As I mentioned before the stock Ford BB Mustang radiator could not be bolted to the radiator support regardless of if 67 or 68-70 without modification in some way. It is hard to tell what you have without pictures of how it is mounted. That will determine what you are working with and hopefully if it can be converted back to stock configuration to your satisfaction. Worst case scenario and it can't be reversed or is the wrong year style I have a couple of 67 BB 4 speed transmission radiators that are waiting to find a new home.
I bought the lower saddles to mount the radiator correctly. I can't make the radiator I have work.
I have looked at aftermarket radiator (Not a concours car) and can't find one that appears to truly be a 428 radiator. Several list as 390 radiators and are 3 core. Not sure those would fit in the saddles tho as they all have the same side straps the one I have now has.
Looking for a decent, well functioning radiator that fits in the factory mounts. Any tips before I take the OEM plunge?
2 aftermarket examples;
https://www.radiatorexpress.com/product.asp?part_id=222134&aaia_id=C502325
https://www.npdlink.com/radiator/catalog/FORD_MUSTANG_1967_6_4L_390CID_V8_Radiators-15682-1.html
Quote from: 2112 on March 11, 2018, 12:14:18 AM
I bought the lower saddles to mount the radiator correctly. I can't make the radiator I have work.
I have looked at aftermarket radiator (Not a concours car) and can't find one that appears to truly be a 428 radiator. Several list as 390 radiators and are 3 core. Not sure those would fit in the saddles tho as they all have the same side straps the one I have now has.
Looking for a decent, well functioning radiator that fits in the factory mounts. Any tips before I take the OEM plunge?
I am not sure why you are having the problem but FYI the 67 390 Mustang and the 67 GT500 radiators or the same dimensions given the cooling application. I can not and will not speak to any BS explanation that a after market company will say about it however.Maybe after market are made different (big surprise). Ford ones are the same.
My current radiator is from who knows where (it has FoMoCo top/bottom tanks). It was not mounted using the factory saddles. I am hoping to return to the correct mounting system.
What I have will not do that.
Quote from: 2112 on March 11, 2018, 12:16:54 AM
2 aftermarket examples;
https://www.radiatorexpress.com/product.asp?part_id=222134&aaia_id=C502325
https://www.npdlink.com/radiator/catalog/FORD_MUSTANG_1967_6_4L_390CID_V8_Radiators-15682-1.html
Is that price on the NPD radiator correct? $79.95? Wow.
Those were just a couple extremes.
NPD has one that sounds more appropriate (Modine built) at $475ish
I'll be going through this same struggle soon for my tribute build. I checked the NPD site and they don't have a radiator for the 67 390 and don't give you the option of a 428 so to go back to the question, is anyone aware of an appropriate reproduction of the 428 radiator that mounts using the correct brackets? I don't need concours parts, I just want correct appearance. The car is in the deep south and will be an AC car so cooling will be critical.
To answer the question: I have seen several cars with replacement radiators. The 67 FE radiator is unique in a couple respects. It has a more narrow core than the 68-up cores. The fan shroud for 67 is different width wise and the lower tank saddle is different and unique to 67. The service units I have seen are all of the 68-70 variant 24" core, different bottom tank and requires the use of 68 saddles. The ones posted above are 67 only and will NOT work with service units or current replacements.
Quote from: mlplunkett on July 06, 2020, 10:33:10 AM
I'll be going through this same struggle soon for my tribute build. I checked the NPD site and they don't have a radiator for the 67 390 and don't give you the option of a 428 so to go back to the question, is anyone aware of an appropriate reproduction of the 428 radiator that mounts using the correct brackets? I don't need concours parts, I just want correct appearance. The car is in the deep south and will be an AC car so cooling will be critical.
Then go with the 24 inch better cooling 68-70 radiator ,fan shroud and lower saddles. 4 core if available. Same fan and clutch work for ether. You do not want to overheat the 67 radiators are prone to do with a 390 /428 . That is why they were expanded for 68-70.99% of the people will not notice a difference. Some people do this and get a original FOMOCO marked top tank to be even more in disguise. I don't really think this is necessary given the tribute status (not meant derogatory). Just trying to get you the best driving experience.
Sounds like great advice Bob. Did you have a particular vendor's product in mind.
There are a couple rebuildable cores on Ebay. They are in the 800-1000,00 range and you're looking at another 400.00 to put a three row core in.
Amazon has the ACP units which look close to the Ford offering and Summit has the Scott Drake unit that also is a very close.
Of course you could order the correct tag from AMK Products to further make it look original.
Here is the link for the Drake unit:
https://www.summitracing.com/tx/parts/sdk-379-3/make/ford/model/mustang/year/1967
Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/1967-70-Mustang-Aluminum-Radiator-70-302/dp/B072KLT92J/ref=pd_sbs_263_1/147-4147094-3563436?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B072KLT92J&pd_rd_r=d77a11ec-b003-4f96-af56-b44d4ff9dbd7&pd_rd_w=QMLb6&pd_rd_wg=FLcHh&pf_rd_p=d28ef93e-22cf-4527-b60a-90c984b5663d&pf_rd_r=9VKPWK2VKF2GZCNTMRE4&psc=1&refRID=9VKPWK2VKF2GZCNTMRE4
Quote from: mlplunkett on July 06, 2020, 01:48:24 PM
Sounds like great advice Bob. Did you have a particular vendor's product in mind.
Sorry but I can't provide any insight there.
This seems to be as close as I can find to original style for a reasonable price. I looks like the only way you can buy it is with the built in AC cooler (that may also be suitable for AT cooling?). Did the 67 cars have an external AC condenser?
https://www.amazon.com/1967-1970-Mustang-Radiator-Large-Style/dp/B00JXR1DES/ref=pd_sbs_263_1/141-5286916-4720618?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00JXR1DES&pd_rd_r=5b51e663-a2c7-4167-bc47-349059b0dd3d&pd_rd_w=WgTFd&pd_rd_wg=saTgU&pf_rd_p=d28ef93e-22cf-4527-b60a-90c984b5663d&pf_rd_r=QRT2TWET2BEZWTQ4PG4Y&psc=1&refRID=QRT2TWET2BEZWTQ4PG4Y
Quote from: mlplunkett on July 06, 2020, 04:05:24 PM
This seems to be as close as I can find to original style for a reasonable price. I looks like the only way you can buy it is with the built in AC cooler (that may also be suitable for AT cooling?). Did the 67 cars have an external AC condenser?
https://www.amazon.com/1967-1970-Mustang-Radiator-Large-Style/dp/B00JXR1DES/ref=pd_sbs_263_1/141-5286916-4720618?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00JXR1DES&pd_rd_r=5b51e663-a2c7-4167-bc47-349059b0dd3d&pd_rd_w=WgTFd&pd_rd_wg=saTgU&pf_rd_p=d28ef93e-22cf-4527-b60a-90c984b5663d&pf_rd_r=QRT2TWET2BEZWTQ4PG4Y&psc=1&refRID=QRT2TWET2BEZWTQ4PG4Y
no such thing as a built in A/c cooler on one these radiators. You are confusing description with automatic cooler. Originally you had a radiator for Auto and one for Manual . Later the factory decided to make the automatic version the de facto replacement for both. That way less parts had to be inventoried. The aftermarket followed suit. You will be hard pressed to find a replacement radiator without the automatic cooler incorporated into the design. Of course there are ways to disguise it so that it doesn't look like it is there but it is a small detail and not worth the trouble to worry about it in this context IMO.
The cooler in the bottom is for automatic transmissions. They are usually just plugged if you're running a manual transmission. My four speed car doesn't have the provision for cooler lines. The condenser is a completely separate unit. and is mounted in front of the radiator to the core support.
Amazon is now selling Vintage Muscle radiators?
:P
Well, someone through Amazon. They were available next day too on Prime! Who would have ever guessed? ;D
Summit had them locally too. I did notice the Scott Drake unit wasn't cheap at 496.00. About 100.00 less than the new core I put into the original Ford tanks
Might want to check out US Radiator:
http://www.usradiator.com/radiators/ford?cat=98