does anyone have pics of original cars with original un touched sill plate emblems?
Give me a few days. I still have the original sill plates up in the garage. BUT: they are the 66 style as the early cars came that way. Still need a photo or are you looking for the official 67 style?
If acman63 doesn't need the pictures of an early 67 door sill, I do. When you get a chance.
Jim here are pictures of two different styles/versions I found in the collection of pictures. Only had one example of the first one
First from a double digit car and another from later - almost mid production
Hope this helps
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/9/6-300118193524.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/9/6-300118193538.jpeg)
It was my understanding that the first '67's got the last '66 version door sill emblem (will find a photo to post) then the snake two lines of text version.
Edit: excerpt from '67 Running Changes article in The Shelby American Fall of 2013
Hello Everyone,
Here is part of an out-take photo taken by Motor Trend on 12/12/66 that shows the late '66 style door sill emblem on 0100.
Thanks,
Eric
Quote from: J_Speegle on January 30, 2018, 07:39:12 PM
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/9/6-300118193524.jpeg)
Although the 66 version was used first the single line version that Jeff S. posted was last for a total of three.
Quote from: 67411F--0100-ENG. on January 30, 2018, 08:18:16 PM
Hello Everyone,
Here is part of an out-take photo taken by Motor Trend on 12/12/66 that shows the '66 style door sill emblem on 0100.
Thanks,
Eric
Great picture Eric.
Quote from: 67411F--0100-ENG. on January 30, 2018, 08:18:16 PM
Hello Everyone,
Here is part of an out-take photo taken by Motor Trend on 12/12/66 that shows the '66 style door sill emblem on 0100.
Thanks,
Eric
Just to be clear. the plates on 100 are the same as the real late 66 emblems. Most of the 66s has the single line with the raised CS
Quote from: acman63 on January 30, 2018, 10:07:35 PM
Quote from: 67411F--0100-ENG. on January 30, 2018, 08:18:16 PM
Hello Everyone,
Here is part of an out-take photo taken by Motor Trend on 12/12/66 that shows the '66 style door sill emblem on 0100.
Thanks,
Eric
Just to be clear. the plates on 100 are the same as the real late 66 emblems. Most of the 66s has the single line with the raised CS
Yes late 66 as in the picture.
Hello Jim and Bob,
I edited my post to add "late" to help alleviate any confusion.
Thanks,
Eric
Quote from: J_Speegle on January 30, 2018, 07:39:12 PM
Jim here are pictures of two different styles/versions I found in the collection of pictures. Only had one example of the first one
First from a double digit car and another from later - almost mid production I was going to post a picture of those sills and Jeff beat me to it. I recognize that worn out sill and red banded box in the second picture. I have had those in storage for a very long time, if they are not mine I have some that are a match to them. As always ;) thanks guys for the information to bring our treasures back to life properly ;)!
Hope this helps
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/9/6-300118193524.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/9/6-300118193538.jpeg)
0066 has the late '66 style. One is in good condition, the other not so much. Does anyone know if these are generally available in a good quality repro or, God forbid, NOS?
Thanks -
DGSOH
Quote from: DGSOH on January 31, 2018, 06:32:53 PM
0066 has the late '66 style. One is in good condition, the other not so much. Does anyone know if these are generally available in a good quality repro or, God forbid, NOS?
Thanks -
DGSOH
I have one on ebay right now. advanced search by seller acman63 Link https://www.ebay.com/itm/282827537316 BTW Ive probably owned a couple hundred nos sill emblems in the last 42 years and Ive never seen a NOS early 66 single line plate with raised CS Im not sure they were ever serviced
It doesn't seem logical to go from the CS version with two lines of text:
"Shelby American, Inc.
Los Angeles California"
(since they added the second line after the earlier CS versions that didn't have the extra text) then go to the version for the '67's which swapped the Snake for the CS and then delete the second line of text. ????
Is more likely (?) that the snake version without the location text was later since they were maybe not sure where the cars would be from but it wasn't going to be Los Angeles, California. Once it was also known to not be "Shelby American Inc." but "Shelby Automotive" the Snake one line Shelby American Inc. versions were liquidated to service replacements?
Quote from: JD on February 01, 2018, 12:17:29 AM
It doesn't seem logical to go from the CS version with two lines of text:
Not sure logic played a part in allot of choices. Consider that in 66 they had both versions (with and without los angeles, california) also intermixed
Old long thread that was posted BTC (before the crash )
Quote from: JD on February 01, 2018, 12:17:29 AM
It doesn't seem logical to go from the CS version with two lines of text:
"Shelby American, Inc.
Los Angeles California"
(since they added the second line after the earlier CS versions that didn't have the extra text) then go to the version for the '67's which swapped the Snake for the CS and then delete the second line of text. ????
Is more likely (?) that the snake version without the location text was later since they were maybe not sure where the cars would be from but it wasn't going to be Los Angeles, California. Once it was also known to not be "Shelby American Inc." but "Shelby Automotive" the Snake one line Shelby American Inc. versions were liquidated to service replacements?
Just to be clear the Snake one line version is the last used of the three styles used in 67. The "Shelby Automotive " is only relevant to 1968 production.
Quote from: JD on January 30, 2018, 07:52:16 PM
It was my understanding that the first '67's got the last '66 version door sill emblem (will find a photo to post) then the snake two lines of text version.
Edit: excerpt from '67 Running Changes article in The Shelby American Fall of 2013
Quote from: acman63 on January 31, 2018, 08:24:50 PM
I have one on ebay right now. advanced search by seller acman63 Link https://www.ebay.com/itm/282827537316 BTW Ive probably owned a couple hundred nos sill emblems in the last 42 years and Ive never seen a NOS early 66 single line plate with raised CS Im not sure they were ever serviced
By "late '66" I mean the 2 line CS version as depicted in JD's post (reply #5), did I misunderstand something? The link provided is to a single line CS version.
Thanks -
Quote from: Bob Gaines on February 01, 2018, 01:24:06 AM
Quote from: JD on February 01, 2018, 12:17:29 AM
It doesn't seem logical to go from the CS version with two lines of text:
"Shelby American, Inc.
Los Angeles California"
(since they added the second line after the earlier CS versions that didn't have the extra text) then go to the version for the '67's which swapped the Snake for the CS and then delete the second line of text. ????
Is more likely (?) that the snake version without the location text was later since they were maybe not sure where the cars would be from but it wasn't going to be Los Angeles, California. Once it was also known to not be "Shelby American Inc." but "Shelby Automotive" the Snake one line Shelby American Inc. versions were liquidated to service replacements?
Just to be clear the Snake one line version is the last used of the three styles used in 67. The "Shelby American Inc is only relevant to 1967 production and not used for 1968. The "Shelby Automotive " is only relevant to 1968 production.
Some early 68 Shelby's did indeed use the Shelby American Inc. sill plate emblems.
Quote from: KR500 on February 01, 2018, 09:04:42 AM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on February 01, 2018, 01:24:06 AM
Quote from: JD on February 01, 2018, 12:17:29 AM
It doesn't seem logical to go from the CS version with two lines of text:
"Shelby American, Inc.
Los Angeles California"
(since they added the second line after the earlier CS versions that didn't have the extra text) then go to the version for the '67's which swapped the Snake for the CS and then delete the second line of text. ????
Is more likely (?) that the snake version without the location text was later since they were maybe not sure where the cars would be from but it wasn't going to be Los Angeles, California. Once it was also known to not be "Shelby American Inc." but "Shelby Automotive" the Snake one line Shelby American Inc. versions were liquidated to service replacements?
Just to be clear the Snake one line version is the last used of the three styles used in 67. The "Shelby American Inc is only relevant to 1967 production and not used for 1968. The "Shelby Automotive " is only relevant to 1968 production.
Some early 68 Shelby's did indeed use the Shelby American Inc. sill plate emblems.
Thank you for catching that. I was too focused on 67 and mispoke .
QuoteJust to be clear the Snake one line version is the last used of the three styles used in 67.
Any idea of the date or Shelby number when this changeover occurred? I understand this may be a fuzzy number/date -- just like other things at SA in 67.
Quote from: Bossbill on February 01, 2018, 03:52:39 PM
QuoteJust to be clear the Snake one line version is the last used of the three styles used in 67.
Any idea of the date or Shelby number when this occurred? I understand this may be a fuzzy number/date -- just like other things at SA in 67.
Fuzzy line. SA didn't keep track of things like this and it is up to enthusiasts to document with observations. I would be interested if someone else can put a pin on the timeline.
I'm going to tag onto this older post since the pics are germane. If you want me to move it let me know.
As evidenced by many pics on this site the finish on the sill plate itself is a mystery.
This pic by Jeff makes it look polished:
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/9/6-300118193524.jpeg)
His other pic makes the sill look dull. I've heard that these were anodized and that's what this old one looks like, again by Jeff:
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/9/6-300118193538.jpeg)
I'm more inclined to believe anodized and if so is there an anodization process type I can reference when calling around? Do I first polish the sill before it gets anodized?
I don't believe sill plates were anodized. Every original that I ever put a little metal polish on would turn the rag black. If the part was anodized, it would not do that. The seat side shields for 65-67 are definitely anodized though, so hold those parts side by side and try the polish rub test like mentioned.
Do we believe then that Jeff's first pic with the single line snake is about the right amount sheen?
I realize that talking about levels of sheen is akin to talking about semi-gloss black levels of gloss . . .
Quote from: Bossbill on June 09, 2021, 12:01:01 PM
Do we believe then that Jeff's first pic with the single line snake is about the right amount sheen?
I realize that talking about levels of sheen is akin to talking about semi-gloss black levels of gloss . . .
You didn't mention the variation between different computer monitors have on a picture.
Are any of the reproduction sill plates worth using?
Jon
There's a Ford Tooling one that is probably the next best choice to NOS or restored originals.
Quote from: 1175 on June 09, 2021, 02:44:22 PM
Are any of the reproduction sill plates worth using?
Jon
As far as the emblems go ,It depends on your expectations. The repros that I have seen are of inferior quality relatively speaking when compared to a genuine. The repros look OK and would be fine for most situations but if you put them side by side with a genuine you can really see a difference in size ,positioning and definition of artwork.
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