I saw this on craigslist ...
https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/d/1967-shelby-mustang-fastback/6744407622.html
Very interesting and original paperwork. What is the C5AZ identifier on the dealer installed FE 427?
Registry does indicate that the car was "towed into J.D. Ball on 4/24/68 after #3 piston came off the connecting rod ..."
Ron
POOKIE ALERT. Be Warned
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Very interesting and original paperwork
Well, not original, but if " interesting" means fake, I guess so. What the old boy doesnt realize that almost every piece of original paperwork on my website has some identifier built into it to prevent this exact situation. That is not even JD Ball's letterhead. :D
http://www.thecoralsnake.com/Ball
Oh, the Shelby tag is a fake too...
Wow. I had no idea. Certainly shows the necessity of due diligence and the necessity of this forum!
Quote from: Coralsnake on November 24, 2018, 05:41:26 PM
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Very interesting and original paperwork
Well, not original, but if " interesting" means fake, I guess so. What the old boy doesnt realize that almost every piece of original paperwork on my website has some identifier built into it to prevent this exact situation. That is not even JD Ball's letterhead. :D
http://www.thecoralsnake.com/Ball
Oh, the Shelby tag is a fake too...
On top of that originally a automatic car switch to a 4 speed and a color change car. It looks like a nice personalized car but what I object to is all of the BS deception in the description.
I suppose they could have used the artwork from the back of an old postcard to type up the fact they sold a race engine. I mean why waste a perfectly good invoice?
Ha ha ;)
I agree this is where this forum is really needed. With the new registry updates we are doing hopefully we can try update info and cut down this sort of pookie BS
Cheers
Boy that Marti Report image is fuzzy...... ;)
Other than the Shelby tag looking new, what gives it away as a fake?
What about the painted aprons and that sway bar? Haha
Export brace and washer bag appear wrong too? Probably shouldn't even be a bag being this late of a car but I'm no expert like the rest of you.
That's why if someone is interested in something there are a few guys on here that could put some eyeballs on subject matter, and give us an authentic scoop. The brotherhood of muscle pertains to Shelby brothers, as well as Mopar lover brotherhood. ;)
And the MSD ignition drives me crazy! Sorry for those of you who have aftermarket ignition, just doesn't look right to me!
QuoteOther than the Shelby tag looking new, what gives it away as a fake?
If someone would fake a piece of paperwork, what do you think they could do with a detailed explanation of why the tag has been restamped?
That radiator support shouldn't be painted either.
Nice driver none the less but why not just disclose it's true history.
He claims one of 50 documented dealer installed 427's.
Are there any accepted cases of dealer installed 427's?
I bet there are 50 1967s that now have 427s just not dealer installed. ;D
Quote from: 2112 on November 24, 2018, 08:12:16 PM
He claims one of 50 documented dealer installed 427's.
Are there any accepted cases of dealer installed 427's?
The seller has that info screwed up just like other things in his description. The 50 cars comes from what Mel Burns Ford had for pie in the sky proposed builds of his supersnake cars. As for dealer installed I know scores of phony's and bogus paperwork. This latest one is just one more phony. A few years back none had shown up yet . Dave Mathews may have updated info on that now. I saw one legitimate 427 dealer installed about 15 years ago where the owner was entering it in concours. He had genuine paperwork the only problem was the install was done in 1975 if I remember correctly.He wasn't allowed to enter it in concours competition because it was done after the car was delivered new to the first customer.
As some may recall, there was a time when everyone that had one claimed it was FACTORY installed. Well, at least until all the Ford records and SAAC invoices appeared.
The second phase was some diehards changed their stories to dealer installed. Most changed to owner installed.
Now we are in the third phase, copying artwork from dealer postcards and typing your own documentation.
Its not the first time someone has lifted documents from my website, thats why they have minor alterations, from the originals.
Quote from: Coralsnake on November 25, 2018, 07:23:26 AM
As some may recall, there was a time when everyone that had one claimed it was FACTORY installed. Well, at least until all the Ford records and SAAC invoices appeared.
The second phase was some diehards changed their stories to dealer installed. Most changed to owner installed.
Now we are in the third phase, copying artwork from dealer postcards and typing your own documentation.
Its not the first time someone has lifted documents from my website, thats why they have minor alterations, from the originals.
You certainly were showing good responsibility when you initiated those artwork precautions. Pete 1 ,poser 0 in this case. ;D
Doesn't POOKIE like Ebay anymore? Saw an ad of his on a Facebook site selling a bunch of different year mustang NOS ( ::)) gas caps.... I wonder if those boxes go with them...LOL!!
ALL..NOS...Pookie???
As an honest guy it always boggles my mind the levels at which folks go to fake stuff.
A great thing to watch if its available in the states is a program on wine fakery. This chines/japanese guy came on the wine scene and became the number one expert. he was buying an selling crazy priced wine like it was going out of style. Instantly became the go to guy for wine collectors with his knowledge
He was however busted. His factory was his mothers kitchen!!! made all the labels and aged them himself. Made up the history on the wines as well (where found/bought/sold) it was insane
just shows, where there it money folks will go to great lengths to get it.
Peter
He still on eBay. He has items listed right now, like the reproduction fiberglass he is labeling as NOS.
What's the eBay username
Need to block that guy
"theroadcars" is one, there are others.
Not NOS....
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1968-Mustang-Shelby-NOS-gt350-gt500-quarter-end-cap/332878242150?hash=item4d8116e166:g:xsEAAOSwVBVb6O0s
Oh he thinks NOS stands for "Not Original Sh!t" lol
Quote from: Mike James on November 25, 2018, 04:30:19 PM
What's the eBay username
Need to block that guy
I thought "Pookie" was one of them too.
Quote from: pmustang on November 25, 2018, 02:55:02 PM
As an honest guy it always boggles my mind the levels at which folks go to fake stuff.
A great thing to watch if its available in the states is a program on wine fakery. This chines/japanese guy came on the wine scene and became the number one expert. he was buying an selling crazy priced wine like it was going out of style. Instantly became the go to guy for wine collectors with his knowledge
He was however busted. His factory was his mothers kitchen!!! made all the labels and aged them himself. Made up the history on the wines as well (where found/bought/sold) it was insane
just shows, where there it money folks will go to great lengths to get it.
Peter
I have come up short a few times by honoring my word or doing the right thing.
Yeah, it sucks sometimes. But is still the right thing to do.
Quote from: pmustang on November 25, 2018, 02:55:02 PM
As an honest guy it always boggles my mind the levels at which folks go to fake stuff.
A great thing to watch if its available in the states is a program on wine fakery. This chines/japanese guy came on the wine scene and became the number one expert. he was buying an selling crazy priced wine like it was going out of style. Instantly became the go to guy for wine collectors with his knowledge
He was however busted. His factory was his mothers kitchen!!! made all the labels and aged them himself. Made up the history on the wines as well (where found/bought/sold) it was insane
just shows, where there it money folks will go to great lengths to get it.
Peter
Lead guy doing that was busted cold because he made a label for a very valuable wine,..for a year the vineyard never actually made it. I think I saw it on a 60 minutes type show. Was very interesting.
Some ph#c£ing! people....
This car in the OP has been for sale for awhile I'm pretty sure. I think the price was a tad higher originally.
not surprised the price has come down.
( The car is located in NC ) call or text me if interested. 828-682-2772
whatta guy........
Too bad Pookie never spent any time in Mayberry. Andy and Barnie would have busted him for selling faulty parts for their Galaxie 500 police cruiser. LoL!
https://jalopnik.com/5923351/remembering-andy-griffith-and-his-ford-galaxie-500
Great little town if you have not made the visit. We even took a tour in the police car and ate a pork chop sandwich at Snappy's!
Ron
Quote from: Coralsnake on November 25, 2018, 04:36:22 PM
"theroadcars" is one, there are others.
Not NOS....
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1968-Mustang-Shelby-NOS-gt350-gt500-quarter-end-cap/332878242150?hash=item4d8116e166:g:xsEAAOSwVBVb6O0s
OMG ::) . I thought I would checkout the items "theroadcars" and found so many down right phony items or incorrect information it would take hours to write up explanations or warnings for the many auctions he has on. A few items look like they could be legit as per the description but the guys credibility is 0 unlike his 100% ebay satisfactory rating (go figure) so you just don't know.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on November 26, 2018, 11:45:21 AM
OMG ::) . I thought I would checkout the items "theroadcars" and found so many down right phony items or incorrect information it would take hours to write up explanations or warnings for the many auctions he has on. A few items look like they could be legit as per the description but the guys credibility is 0 unlike his 100% ebay satisfactory rating (go figure) so you just don't know.
In allot of scams it's important to pepper a little truth, value, authentic items .... in with the mix
Agreed not worth the effort, risk or even rewarding him in any way
Quote from: Wedgeman on November 25, 2018, 01:35:59 PM
ALL..NOS...Pookie???
Absolutely ridiculous, just keep spreading the word guys, dishonest guy
(http://i66.tinypic.com/2j2dzpk.jpg)
In case you meet him at a swap, you will recognize him.
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A face only a mother could love. :o
Pookie related to Sam The Snowman - Oh No!!!
Holy Sheiiit... that's funny! ;D ;D ;D