I was fortunate that the car had the original engine and had sat for 30 years. Although it ran okay, I was concerned that it might not have been built properly (the owner said it had been done 30 years prior) so I pulled it and the transmission out (haven't built it yet). The engine is pretty much done and broken it. Sweet, sweet sound!!
I also decided the best place for it was inside ;D (Heat, cool, conversation piece and SAFE!)
Would make one awesome coffee table!
It looks great . How do you feel about constructive comments?
You sir must either have the most understanding wife to allow that motor in your house, or your single. In either case I'm looking at going through the original motor on my Shelby down the road.
Yep I do believe that engine is sitting in a carpeted bedroom! Good on you mate, good looking engine right where it needs to be! Although I agree with prev poster, my wife would have my bags packed but my engine is no where near as nice as yours!
Cheers
Quote from: Bob Gaines on October 18, 2018, 11:52:31 PM
It looks great . How do you feel about constructive comments?
Bob, I have no issues with that as some day the car will probably be judged by you anyway :).
Greg
Nice , who did the rebuild for you?
Quote from: Greg on October 19, 2018, 08:16:45 AM
Bob, I have no issues with that as some day the car will probably be judged by you anyway :).
First its great that your open to that. And to that end
- What color are the side intake, therm & fuel pump gaskets?
- Teflon tape on the rear carb plug - Pic #4
- Need to find an engine ID sticker/decal for over the coil and bracket.
Will leave a few for Bob since I think I know a couple he likes to mention often :)
Quote from: J_Speegle on October 19, 2018, 01:38:23 PM
Quote from: Greg on October 19, 2018, 08:16:45 AM
Bob, I have no issues with that as some day the car will probably be judged by you anyway :).
First its great that your open to that. And to that end
- What color are the side intake, therm & fuel pump gaskets?
- Teflon tape on the rear carb plug - Pic #4
- Need to find an engine ID sticker/decal for over the coil and bracket.
Will leave a few for Bob since I think I know a couple he likes to mention often :)
Thank you....
The gaskets-Intake is dark gray
-Thermostat and Fuel pump are black
-Agreed on the tape
-I will find a sticker
Here is the proper location of the PCV hose fitting. Hose should then be shorter.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/p3doFHmoCI8YTN95_YVMSzhJaoVLN101bFIRGW4wfj8Db8SooxjoaCNxNDaTEQP8294vjEX7epAyCfVXV7F7HwAxlEnlZ8JJUoB04OnhPZRf4lc3dZAqX54u0OCMjPBVnNFRLPVXb2zQWLBDu8eEA9TDFEkGh5sm0IcRjIbE98XfBIw5ZQI9Bwy8l0emn_goQ3QEtPxNux4w-Ch74R2Mw3ZbMhcoAhXk3GTTkgpffM6V3Qc1NH6Q5lEVwrqOyDNAPpj4ipOzWWDOYVwpLN27MlThBSv9G3ozq_tr6rEJzVWmJgKX-hg_pO0Ot0bTHT1gxy7vtBQpbpd6JhJim9jNBRNe-3YFsW71ogvRitHEuCT6Spyfnw00BhvfEhQNeu9gOUUNw_CfzVmXi9kBaA-D4CAvm6WttClCn2ZqiNzq6RAAv5B1NPqX8-lbreIZf1PHyz2MhgZr0_zAHyXZ0DM_8KJxhDpc6mIGg6T4BTFy-QxW2PxQc-VbfUQZxFRlE_ioXzT3rBkxR9xZS8Lqm0yNS1bwa1WO9Ei3TxXZfP3EIQnE7Ic389bE452N1eDVo-8lwQacBGn6cusGDu6jzmT9OPgqGlxHMeD8TApTzxcTyL2OuQJVnQ3LoUmJRcfZbkBV=w600-no)
Quote from: Brant on October 19, 2018, 03:52:58 PM
Here is the proper location of the PCV hose fitting. Hose should then be shorter.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/p3doFHmoCI8YTN95_YVMSzhJaoVLN101bFIRGW4wfj8Db8SooxjoaCNxNDaTEQP8294vjEX7epAyCfVXV7F7HwAxlEnlZ8JJUoB04OnhPZRf4lc3dZAqX54u0OCMjPBVnNFRLPVXb2zQWLBDu8eEA9TDFEkGh5sm0IcRjIbE98XfBIw5ZQI9Bwy8l0emn_goQ3QEtPxNux4w-Ch74R2Mw3ZbMhcoAhXk3GTTkgpffM6V3Qc1NH6Q5lEVwrqOyDNAPpj4ipOzWWDOYVwpLN27MlThBSv9G3ozq_tr6rEJzVWmJgKX-hg_pO0Ot0bTHT1gxy7vtBQpbpd6JhJim9jNBRNe-3YFsW71ogvRitHEuCT6Spyfnw00BhvfEhQNeu9gOUUNw_CfzVmXi9kBaA-D4CAvm6WttClCn2ZqiNzq6RAAv5B1NPqX8-lbreIZf1PHyz2MhgZr0_zAHyXZ0DM_8KJxhDpc6mIGg6T4BTFy-QxW2PxQc-VbfUQZxFRlE_ioXzT3rBkxR9xZS8Lqm0yNS1bwa1WO9Ei3TxXZfP3EIQnE7Ic389bE452N1eDVo-8lwQacBGn6cusGDu6jzmT9OPgqGlxHMeD8TApTzxcTyL2OuQJVnQ3LoUmJRcfZbkBV=w600-no)
Thanks Brant, I assume the PCV hose is incorrect as well. Do you have a picture/part number of the correct one?
Quote from: Greg on October 19, 2018, 03:55:49 PM
Quote from: Brant on October 19, 2018, 03:52:58 PM
Here is the proper location of the PCV hose fitting. Hose should then be shorter.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/p3doFHmoCI8YTN95_YVMSzhJaoVLN101bFIRGW4wfj8Db8SooxjoaCNxNDaTEQP8294vjEX7epAyCfVXV7F7HwAxlEnlZ8JJUoB04OnhPZRf4lc3dZAqX54u0OCMjPBVnNFRLPVXb2zQWLBDu8eEA9TDFEkGh5sm0IcRjIbE98XfBIw5ZQI9Bwy8l0emn_goQ3QEtPxNux4w-Ch74R2Mw3ZbMhcoAhXk3GTTkgpffM6V3Qc1NH6Q5lEVwrqOyDNAPpj4ipOzWWDOYVwpLN27MlThBSv9G3ozq_tr6rEJzVWmJgKX-hg_pO0Ot0bTHT1gxy7vtBQpbpd6JhJim9jNBRNe-3YFsW71ogvRitHEuCT6Spyfnw00BhvfEhQNeu9gOUUNw_CfzVmXi9kBaA-D4CAvm6WttClCn2ZqiNzq6RAAv5B1NPqX8-lbreIZf1PHyz2MhgZr0_zAHyXZ0DM_8KJxhDpc6mIGg6T4BTFy-QxW2PxQc-VbfUQZxFRlE_ioXzT3rBkxR9xZS8Lqm0yNS1bwa1WO9Ei3TxXZfP3EIQnE7Ic389bE452N1eDVo-8lwQacBGn6cusGDu6jzmT9OPgqGlxHMeD8TApTzxcTyL2OuQJVnQ3LoUmJRcfZbkBV=w600-no)
Thanks Brant, I assume the PCV hose is incorrect as well. Do you have a picture/part number of the correct one?
These guys have all of the things I had issues with . The main visable thing was the PCV in my eye. You can use the pcv hose you have . You take the pcv hose and cut it square where it starts to bend and jam it into the nipple of the fitting . You might want to remove the paper ring on the pcv valve. That was more for service parts instead of assemblyline valves.On the carb you have the wrong filter . It should be the courser thread and it fits into the brass adapter. Also the slotted vacuum plug on the metering block should be silver.
You should get one of the 65 hipo primary wires from Brant that goes to the distributor to the coil. The correct one is a eyelet with black insulation instead of the right angle push on green service replacement.
Quote from: Greg on October 19, 2018, 03:52:10 PM
Quote from: J_Speegle on October 19, 2018, 01:38:23 PM
Quote from: Greg on October 19, 2018, 08:16:45 AM
Bob, I have no issues with that as some day the car will probably be judged by you anyway :).
First its great that your open to that. And to that end
- What color are the side intake, therm & fuel pump gaskets?
- Teflon tape on the rear carb plug - Pic #4
- Need to find an engine ID sticker/decal for over the coil and bracket.
Will leave a few for Bob since I think I know a couple he likes to mention often :)
Thank you....
The gaskets
-Intake is dark gray
-Thermostat and Fuel pump are black
-Agreed on the tape
-I will find a sticker
The fuel pump gasket should be white from the factory.
Quote from: Greg on October 19, 2018, 03:52:10 PM
Thank you....
The gaskets
-Intake is dark gray
-Thermostat and Fuel pump are black
All three were originally off white originally. More on one side (one with the spray on adhesive) than the other
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/11/6-191018172703.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/11/6-191018172428.jpeg)
Don't have a thermostate gasket handly
Check the engine ID code and get one that matches how your car is equipped
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/10/6-300718181546.jpeg)
Not much color or dye on the carb main case pieces but likely the lighting and camera settings
I am not trying to pick it apart or be downgrading. I understand the tremendous amount of work it takes to assemble these motors. It looks great and you are well on your way. A few little things I noticed:
- Valve cover gaskets are cut out of a sheet of black cork. The top and bottom of the gasket should be black, but the sides which are exposed from the side are cork color. Also note, that the valve cover gaskets should not have tabs sticking out when using the open letter valve covers. (I can't tell what you have from the picture angles, just stating something I learned at SAAC 43 this summer).
- The clips for the PCV hose and air cleaner to oil filler cap don't come in the correct finish in the reproduction kits. When you install the hose for the oil fill cap and air cleaner make sure you have the correct finish on the clips. One kit is correct and the other is not, I can't remember which one is correct. They stand out once you know that. Just something to think of when you get to that step.
- Heater hose inlet on top of the intake has the incorrect finish (maybe it's the camera or screen resolution, not sure). Should be a gold zinc finish. http://www.virginiaclassicmustang.com/65-73-INTAKE-MANIFOLD-WATER-NECK-FITS-260-289-302-GOLD-ZINC-FINISH-P1081.aspx (http://www.virginiaclassicmustang.com/65-73-INTAKE-MANIFOLD-WATER-NECK-FITS-260-289-302-GOLD-ZINC-FINISH-P1081.aspx)
- Here is the fuel adapter Bob was talking about. http://www.virginiaclassicmustang.com/66-67-GT350-Shelby-Fuel-Filter-Adaptor-for-Holley-715-cfm-Carburetor-P482224.aspx (http://www.virginiaclassicmustang.com/66-67-GT350-Shelby-Fuel-Filter-Adaptor-for-Holley-715-cfm-Carburetor-P482224.aspx)
- Do you have the different sized bypass hose clamps? They are a size or two smaller than the heater hose clamps.
- Here is the distributor wire to the coil Bob was talking about: http://www.virginiaclassicmustang.com/65-67-289-HI-PO-DISTRIBUTOR-PRIMARY-LEAD-WIRE-P5506.aspx (http://www.virginiaclassicmustang.com/65-67-289-HI-PO-DISTRIBUTOR-PRIMARY-LEAD-WIRE-P5506.aspx)
Quote from: silverton_ford on October 19, 2018, 06:06:06 PM
- Valve cover gaskets.............. Also note, that the valve cover gaskets should not have tabs sticking out when using the open letter valve covers. .............
Hmm.. Had not heard that they only used no tab valve cover gaskets after Ford took over installing them. Here are some period picture of open letter valve covers with tabs clearly visible. Due to valve adjusting not unusual for original gaskets to have been replaced over the years. On a fair number of others the dip stick or coil got in the way of a clear view :( Cleveland still used the valve cover gaskets with the tab (needed for alignment and retention) on the regular 289 assembled at the same plant - same time so they had hundreds of thousands on hand.
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/11/6-191018182612.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/11/6-191018182537.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/11/6-191018182551.jpeg)
A prior thread
http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=1123.msg20092#msg20092 (http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=1123.msg20092#msg20092)
While we're visiting the subject examples from 65's from articles of the time
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/10/6-110818162533.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/10/6-110818162511.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/10/6-110818162550.jpeg)
Quote from: J_Speegle on October 19, 2018, 06:27:04 PMHmm.. Had not heard that they only used no tab valve cover gaskets after Ford took over installing them. Here are some period picture of open letter valve covers with tabs clearly visible. Due to valve adjusting not unusual for original gaskets to have been replaced over the years. On a fair number of others the dip stick or coil got in the way of a clear view :( Cleveland still used the valve cover gaskets with the tab (needed for alignment and retention) on the regular 289 assembled at the same plant - same time so they had hundreds of thousands on hand.
Point and picture evidence well taken. :) I understood during a discussion at SAAC 43, that they didn't have the tabs, but I don't understand why they would have two different gaskets at the assembly plant. I am not arguing. :)
Quote from: silverton_ford on October 19, 2018, 06:36:54 PM
Point and picture evidence well taken. :) I understood during a discussion at SAAC 43, that they didn't have the tabs, but I don't understand why they would have two different gaskets at the assembly plant. I am not arguing. :)
Didn't take it as such. We are each told and hear things. Its the collection of data, discussion and hopefully the understanding that comes out of that that forms our current understanding. Doesn't always "close the book" to further discussions but normally that does not follow a single finding as we sometimes see efforts towards.
Not sure that there were two different gaskets since one would fill both needs during this period. At the same time we don't know if the valve covers arrived with gaskets or without. If they did arrive with gaskets that were different (not stating they were just entertaining the possibility) one assembler might choose to use the ones that came with the valve covers while another assembler used the ones they already had at the plant and he used for other 289's,
Just could not find any period pictures of such and as mentioned these are so often replaced with the first valve adjustment.
What I found more interesting is that earlier examples during the period of when Shelby did the swap of the valve covers had the same tabbed valve cover gaskets. The reason I included those with the others. So did Shelby reuse the Ford gaskets or did the valve covers at that time come with gaskets with tabs? :)
Quote from: silverton_ford on October 19, 2018, 06:06:06 PM
- Valve cover gaskets are cut out of a sheet of black cork. The top of the gasket should be black, but the sides which are exposed from the side are cork color. ......................
Sure you meant to write that top and bottom surface of the cork were black.
This would be the same practice used for the oil pan gasket also though we can't see it in the pictures posted so far.
Quote from: J_Speegle on October 19, 2018, 06:54:20 PM
Quote from: silverton_ford on October 19, 2018, 06:06:06 PM
- Valve cover gaskets are cut out of a sheet of black cork. The top of the gasket should be black, but the sides which are exposed from the side are cork color. ......................
Sure you meant to write that top and bottom surface of the cork were black.
This would be the same practice used for the oil pan gasket also though we can't see it in the pictures posted so far.
+1
Thank you all for the comments, I truly appreciate them!
It looks awesome, can't wait to hear it run