https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-shelby-mustang-gt500-26/
I wonder how they have a Link with "GT500" in it, yet it is a J code and a very nice looking (one glance) GT350?
Its amazing to me how many BaT cars have reproduction tags. Apparently that doesnt bother bidders
Quote from: Coralsnake on September 09, 2026, 08:22:39 AMIts amazing to me how many BaT cars have reproduction tags. Apparently that doesnt bother bidders
They offset that by including a road test of a 1965 GT350.
Quote from: Coralsnake on September 09, 2026, 08:22:39 AMIts amazing to me how many BaT cars have reproduction tags. Apparently that doesnt bother bidders
I think it typically goes back to the practice of a new looking reproduction tag to match the new restored rest of the car. Of course there are other incentives to install a new tag.
A good point. But, I still suspect due diligence is a foreign concept to many
Yes, I remember losing points at SAAC 40 for my less than new tags.
You lost points for original tags? That would be very atypical. To the best of my knowledge the policy is no deductions for original tags regardless of condition
Quote from: Coralsnake on September 11, 2026, 04:49:10 PMYou lost points for original tags? That would be very atypical. To the best of my knowledge the policy is no deductions for original tags regardless of condition
Deducting points for a beat up tag is a foreign concept to me. ??? None of the judges I XXXX(am aware of) deduct for a worn tag.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on September 11, 2026, 09:48:52 PMQuote from: Coralsnake on September 11, 2026, 04:49:10 PMYou lost points for original tags? That would be very atypical. To the best of my knowledge the policy is no deductions for original tags regardless of condition
Deducting points for a beat up tag is a foreign concept to me. ??? None of the judges I know deduct for a worn tag.
Really
Tim Lea and I objected, but the deductions stood. Talk to the head judge that day about his rulings. I think his name was Mike.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on September 11, 2026, 09:48:52 PMQuote from: Coralsnake on September 11, 2026, 04:49:10 PMYou lost points for original tags? That would be very atypical. To the best of my knowledge the policy is no deductions for original tags regardless of condition
Deducting points for a beat up tag is a foreign concept to me. ??? None of the judges I XXXX(am aware of) deduct for a worn tag.
Unfortunately you do know them. 😞
Having been a participant and a judge, I found out that deductions are not always fair, bit they do have a way of balancing out in the long run. Judges can miss obvious things and they never get deducted. They are also human and learn new things each time they judge cars.
Quote from: Coralsnake on September 12, 2026, 08:53:37 PMHaving been a participant and a judge, I found out that deductions are not always fair, bit they do have a way of balancing out in the long run. Judges can miss obvious things and they never get deducted. They are also human and learn new things each time they judge cars.
Good points. It reminds me of when I got caught speeding and was mad at the cop for giving me the speeding ticket. I then thought about all of the other times I was speeding and didn't get caught for speeding.
Quote from: Coralsnake on September 12, 2026, 08:53:37 PMHaving been a participant and a judge, I found out that deductions are not always fair, bit they do have a way of balancing out in the long run. Judges can miss obvious things and they never get deducted. They are also human and learn new things each time they judge cars.
Agreed and I've often used this same explanation with owners. The owner and or builder know so much more about their particular car since they spend months or years building it and making their choices. We only get a short time and I've never heard one of them claim that we discovered everything that could or was found during our limited time with the car often under less than great conditions.
What's the most common thing that gets cars deduction?
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Quote from: Coralsnake on September 12, 2026, 08:53:37 PMHaving been a participant and a judge, I found out that deductions are not always fair, bit they do have a way of balancing out in the long run. Judges can miss obvious things and they never get deducted . They are also human and learn new things each time they judge cars.
Good points. It reminds me of when I got caught speeding and was mad at the cop for giving me the speeding ticket. I then thought about all of the other times I was speeding and didn't get caught for speeding.
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I might try that one with the wife next time I get caught
Hi,
Just 1 more thing to add to the growing list of things for a rule meeting. This should be a clear written statement about the Shelby tag, and all judges should be following a consistent way to judge
Such as any original tag gets full points for authenticity and is only deducted for/on condition.
Reproduction tags are deducted for being not original. Judges decide on this when the car is entered
Yes we are human and can have opinions but the judges carry the largest responsibility and need the
Proper written rules to back them up.
Just my 2 cents
R.R.
While I agree with your statements, its not possible to have a written rule for every item. You have to remember this was a unique case from many years ago. Additionally, the same car was judged Gold later and no deduction was taken for the original tag.
Consistency is very hard to find when you have different judges with different experiences.
I would like to see the SAAC sheet, to see if deductions were made for a reproduction tag which was also present on the car. I suspect there was not, so the minimal deduction for a worn tag washes out it my opinion.