https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-shelby-mustang-gt500-31/
...and the silliness has begun!
Quote from: Coralsnake on February 04, 2026, 12:38:56 PM...and the silliness has begun!
Pete, enlighten me. Do you have issues with the seller or issues with the car? Just curious. The seller 1600Veloce sells quite a few high end cars. Again, just curious.
Cheers,
~Earl J
I dont have any issues with car or the seller. The comments are entertaining.
Especially the ones about the stripes and block stampings. They never seem to change...regardless of the car
Okay, yup you're right. The peanut gallery comments. I get it. Agreed.
~E
Well I'm 99.9% sure I'm right. 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Quote from: Coralsnake on February 04, 2026, 04:35:46 PMWell I'm 99.9% sure I'm right. 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
.01 percent wrong? Oh my
You have to read all the comments to really appreciate that one...
Quote from: SFM5S000 on February 04, 2026, 02:49:23 PMThe seller 1600Veloce sells quite a few high end cars.
If you follow his presentations and commenting, he's definitely a "used car salesman"! ::)
Scott.
LOL.. " What will it take to put you into this car today ???".... ::)
If it had a real PI engine I'm sure that would be in the description.
I could be wrong, but it doesn't look like it has a Nodular rear.
This BaT dealer does nice photos and videos but avoids answering questions directly and always has a lot of (related?) cheerleaders in the comments. I've heard 95% of their BaT auctions sell to buyers that never comment, ask a question or visit the car for an inspection. I guess social media promotion does wonders. Does the car have the correct engine/date code, carburetor and SPEC rear end?
BaT has become such a sitcom to watch. I love the eye candy but can't stand the comments from all the crazies out there. It seems people want cars like these, most can't afford them or can't justify spending the money so they make negative and disparaging comments. Like that makes any sense...
Quote from: Coralsnake on February 04, 2026, 02:52:19 PMI dont have any issues with car or the seller. The comments are entertaining.
Especially the ones about the stripes and block stampings. They never seem to change...regardless of the car
Pete, Mike Johnson(used to have a lime god 68 KR that Tim did and a Corvette judge and 65 owner) asked for your insight there as he is BigTanks and you havew not responded. Shame on you ;D . I wish Brian Styles who gives out those BatMan slapping Robin T shirts to 67 owners over the PI vs SI engines on 67s would make some of those Batman shirts up about "holy Grail" cars.... Yes. Pete, the silliness is there as always. Bat loves those commentators and hates those who know facts because facts might hit their bottom line of not so honest sellers selling cars there.
Quote from: Nightmist on February 05, 2026, 03:25:41 AMThis BaT dealer does nice photos and videos but avoids answering questions directly and always has a lot of (related?) cheerleaders in the comments. I've heard 95% of their BaT auctions sell to buyers that never comment, ask a question or visit the car for an inspection. I guess social media promotion does wonders. Does the car have the correct engine/date code, carburetor and SPEC rear end?
Well said.
I have a good friend who is dying and has about 3 weeks left. He only buys good cars for his collection. I had him send me some pics of his cars he wanted to sell before he died. He sold his mancave building to an old friend. So far he has sold his 71 original paint 455HO 4 speed 20K mile Trans am. 2 others sold to a guy in the Detroit area who is the king of Trans Ams so to speak all going real quick as the 71 TA went back to the prior owner. He had 2 cars left. A 72 red GTO 455 HO M22 4 speed with the WW5 package. over 50 percent original paint. Absolutely a beautiful show looking car in the pics. Well when we talked he said it was a "20 footer" with some paint issues on the original paint on the roof but still showed well. My point? Many cars on BAT have looked much better because the "fancy" pictures have portrayed them wrong. A guy named Bruno near Toronto bought the Goat the other day and will race it at the pure stock nationals In Stanton Mi where he races rare Chevy and Pontiac iron along with his kids. His one car left is his 69 Ford Cobra. 32K miles and original paint with one fender repainted because a prior owner scratched it. Anyone interested in a MCACN survivor candidate the car is for sale for around 60K USD(my friend lives in Windsor). He said 60-70K. He has went so far as to replace a heater hose clamp with a date coded original one and planned on doing a MCACN show in the future but cancer got in the way. Gary
He must be talking about another "Pete"?
I usually don't comment on the 1967s.
;D
I read the Bat listing, down to the comments. I'm not confused, but why are the many commenters? Somehow, the car got a 390 incorrect engine to get it mobile. THEN a non-original 428 was built and installed. So, why the concern over the VIN stamp being on the engine? Didn't anyone read that?
I think that car is actually on its third engine?
The conversations on numbers is always fun.
On the 1968 big blocks it identifies one head on a good day. Thats it. Everything else could be from anywhere.
The stripe conversations are also very entertaining.
Quote from: Nightmist on February 05, 2026, 03:25:41 AMThis BaT dealer does nice photos and videos but avoids answering questions directly and always has a lot of (related?) cheerleaders in the comments. I've heard 95% of their BaT auctions sell to buyers that never comment, ask a question or visit the car for an inspection.
And one of their BAT listings which I had shown "some" interest in by calling the dealership to inquire as to perhaps what kind of value they were placing on the item as being auctioned, at which point I about fell out of my chair; but it "SOLD" for about 1/6th (closer to a reasonable market value ;) ) of what they wanted for it of the floor; but then they called me three more times after the BAT auction had ended, still looking for the "big money"! :o
Don't believe everything is as presented! ::)
Scott.
Everyone who comments on BAT is an expert didn't you know?
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on February 05, 2026, 12:12:59 PMPete, Mike Johnson(used to have a lime god 68 KR that Tim did and a Corvette judge and 65 owner) asked for your insight there as he is BigTanks and you havew not responded. Shame on you ;D .
I never expect a reply from Pete. He is a very important and busy man, I am just a peon who knows nothing.
I just try to stay in my lane. Everyone has something to contribute
Hey guys, please help me understand something about VINs on '67 GT500s. My sweet spot is in and among the '68 Shelbys.
This BAT auction shows the Ford VIN on the inner fender and the Marti Report. The inner fender stamping and the transmission stamping show it's a "Q" code. I didn't think that Ford used "Q" or "R" in 1967. The Marti shows the Ford VIN with an "S" code, in the VEHICLE ORDER IMAGE header coding and "Q" in the SERIAL NUMBER INFORMATION box. Using the colloquial, "Whaz up wit dat?" Is someone messing with potential buyers?
The car seems to utilize CJ exhaust manifolds and exhaust pipes as well. That seems like a nice day 2 mod, so maybe the engine is a CJ with the dual quad intake and carbs.
It looks like a nice car being bought for concours/near concours/kinda near concours money.
Steve
Just wait until you find the Q code 1968s your head will explode
Ford and Shelby codes are not always the same
So, my gut feeling is there's sumptin fishy in Denmark. This car is bid up to $200k and nobody questioned the VIN. It hurts to watch this happen in broad daylight, in a venue that is viewed by some knowledgeable folks.
A part of me wants to ask the seller to square my possible misunderstanding. Another part of me kinda wants to see how this flushes out and then see if my instinct was correct.
I can't save the world. It's tough enough to live in it.
Hi,
Just a suggestion to explain why 67 codes are confusing. Get a registry for 1967 cars from the club.
Most likely the simple way to learn. Kevin Marti has a book "BY THE NUMBERS" Which would be really good as a reference for several years of FORD production.
Hope this helps out.
R.R.
Quote from: Coralsnake on February 05, 2026, 01:34:25 PMI think that car is actually on its third engine?
The conversations on numbers is always fun.
On the 1968 big blocks it identifies one head on a good day. Thats it. Everything else could be from anywhere.
The stripe conversations are also very entertaining.
Actually car is on its 4th engine
428 from factory, 427, 390, now period correct 428
Thank you for your input and suggestion on helpful reference materials.
Yeah, I'm aware that the '67 Shelby Mustang VINs are different than the '67 Ford Mustang VINs. And yes, I agree that '67 Shelby VINs can be confusing. I also have all the registries. Among my problems, I'm not where they are.
This '67 Shelby's VIN is deciphered on BAT thanks to Brian from The Shelby Research Group (SRG) and the seller for posting it. If I'm not mistaken, the SRG Report does not reference this Shelby by the Ford VIN.
I respectfully ask you to please reread my original question, and review the important details of this online auction. It pertains to something contradictory shown on the Marti Report. The Marti Report (MR) shows a "Q" code on one part of the MR and an "S" code in another section. A '67 Shelby GT500 was built with a 428 SI engine, not a 428CJ "Q" code. I think the Marti Report, and the vehicle Ford VIN, as stamped on the transmission, may have been altered. I was looking for this forum to confirm or refute my suppositions.
Maybe it has, and I not picking up on what the forum is puttin' down.
I hope this explanation helps you understand my question.
Quote from: 8T03S1425 on February 08, 2026, 09:37:17 PMThank you for your input and suggestion on helpful reference materials.
Yeah, I'm aware that the '67 Shelby Mustang VINs are different than the '67 Ford Mustang VINs. And yes, I agree that '67 Shelby VINs can be confusing. I also have all the registries. Among my problems, I'm not where they are.
This '67 Shelby's VIN is deciphered on BAT thanks to Brian from The Shelby Research Group (SRG) and the seller for posting it. If I'm not mistaken, the SRG Report does not reference this Shelby by the Ford VIN.
I respectfully ask you to please reread my original question, and review the important details of this online auction. It pertains to something contradictory shown on the Marti Report. The Marti Report (MR) shows a "Q" code on one part of the MR and an "S" code in another section. A '67 Shelby GT500 was built with a 428 SI engine, not a 428CJ "Q" code. I think the Marti Report, and the vehicle Ford VIN, as stamped on the transmission, may have been altered. I was looking for this forum to confirm or refute my suppositions.
Maybe it has, and I not picking up on what the forum is puttin' down.
I hope this explanation helps you understand my question.
In 1967 the 428 duel four PI was identified with a Q in the Ford VIN. That is why you are confused. Yes in 69 a Q was associated with a non ram air 428CJ. I did not see anything in the Marti Report about a S code which is a 390 engine.
I think he's referring to this. Not sure why marti does this
Thanks for your reply, Bob. It came across very clearly to me. I am now picking up on what you're putting down.
FYI, in the section of the Marti Report that is titled, "Vehicle Order Image" the Ford VIN is shown on the second line as 7R02S174599.
Immediately below that is the section titled, "Serial Number Information" and the Ford VIN is shown as 7R02Q174599.
On the Marti Report, for my '68 GT500, the numbers in the sections referenced above, are identical.
Not knowing that "Q" was used to designate a 428SI within Ford VINs for '67 GT500s, and not having my reference materials while I'm on vacation, I thought that there was some monkey business going on.
Your explanation was very helpful and educational.
Steve
Quote from: davez on February 08, 2026, 10:48:26 PMI think he's referring to this. Not sure why marti does this
Exactly!!!
Quote from: 8T03S1425 on February 08, 2026, 06:18:44 PMThis BAT auction shows the Ford VIN on the inner fender and the Marti Report. The inner fender stamping and the transmission stamping show it's a "Q" code. I didn't think that Ford used "Q" or "R" in 1967. The Marti shows the Ford VIN with an "S" code, in the VEHICLE ORDER IMAGE header coding and "Q" in the SERIAL NUMBER INFORMATION box. Using the colloquial, "Whaz up wit dat?" Is someone messing with potential buyers?
Let me give explaining it a try. Sure others will have their method of trying to explain this. Sort of the shade tree explanation without all the codes, and specific names of paperwork Ford used.
1- In order to streamline and make things easier for someone at Ford they would "build the car" on paper using an engine code and regular production options available on that engine and car. This was easier than to take another engine code that was not available as a regular production option and add list individual parts and brackets that would be added to that non-regular production engine. Items that made up those options and accessories. Too many different support brackets, hardware and supporting parts to list individually. So on paper they started out with a 67 San Jose S code fastback as shown below, for this example, with the same options as Shelby needed for that order.
So "on paper" the VIN (no car yet) with the S code and that specific sequential number, would have an A or S code depending on GT350 or GT500. Just identifying it at that point in time. All of this to created a "base vehicle" to be modified in the system, for the order and later building of those vehicles.
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/22/6-080226222836-22993941.jpeg)
2- This is all documented for each order group for a like group of cars (example a group of 26 GT500 with no AC but with automatic transmission, thermactor and different exterior colors) on what is often called by many of us as the Add/Delete sheets. This would list the type of engine, in this example a S code with no AC but with an automatic and thermactor, then later on the form it would delete the engine (remember this is just on paper as part of the process) and list the replacement motor by code and ID number. Same thing with transmission, rearend, shocks, springs and other things that were different between a S code fastback with the same options and a GT500 equipped the same way. There was still a lot of parts that needed to be listed for things like the unusual and different air cleaner for example and its supporting parts.
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/22/6-080226222836-22993232.jpeg)
3- In the case of GT350's this did cause some confusion for the worker assigned to stamping the unibody with the three VIN's and we have examples where a few VINs were stamped with the engine code for the beginning of the process - an A - rather than the "K" for the way it should have been done and they were built. Know we've discussed that part of my post before but could not locate that older post. Might have been in forum 1.0
4- Since Kevin's report is based on Fords records they include the first VIN with the "base vehicle" engine code rather than the ending code as stamped on most completed cars
Hopefully this is understandable as I tried to explain the basics without all the official names for forms and such :) I tried
So how they were ordered and how they were built, nothing to see here move along
Following the fun.
I posted this in the comments on the BAT site so I didn't post it here earlier, but I was looking at this car when it was for sale in Deer Lodge, Montana in 1981. At that time it had the 390 in it, the taillights had been replaced with some weird little square lights that I did not recognize from any other model of car. The interior was almost perfect, as it was a very low mileage car. It was kind of a flat black color, but you could see under the hood that it had been metal flake green at one time. It had huge tires sticking way out past the wheel wells, it was a nasty looking car. I have a few pictures of it from back then which I would post but I don't have access to them right now. I got back from my honeymoon and called about the car but it had been sold to a buddy of mine for $3800 while I was gone. I called him about it and he said he only bought it because he knew he could have it restored and sold in a year. Ten years later he sold it for $10,000, all he had done to it in those ten years was pull the 390 out, sell that and let the car sit. He never got around to restoring it. I was disappointed that the car got away from me, but I ended up with a much nicer a year and half later. There were actually 2 '67 GT500's in Deer Lodge at that time, the other one ended up at the Lemay museum in Tacoma Washington.
"One of the best in the world"
Only two days left!
Apparently someone has upset the BaT gods
Oh, they have Gods there too, huh?
I also commented on the auction-- the comment was flagged as non-constructive and is now removed. First time I have ever had that happen.
BaT is just not what it used to be. In the early days it was all about quality. Now its pure quantity. Little to no standards evident from what I can see in the last few years. The high quality stuff now gets lost in a sea of mediocrity (at best)
I used to love selling through the platform (and still do occasionally) but the experience and the results have suffered greatly since the good ole days. They got much bigger... and things have suffered in the growth.
And take it from a low volume/high quality type of seller-- the seller standards/rules for high volume sellers as well as the moderation of their comment sections does not seem to bare much resemblance to how they treat low volume sellers.
Vern
It was much better before they were bought out by Hearst Auto. For the low volume sellers, if you want a reserve and you don't like their number there is little to no wiggle room to support your number even with supporting facts. If you are high volume or a "partner" of theirs, they are much more forgiving of the reserve.
Yeah but they say "he sure does take nice pictures"
Tried to comment again, and then again... both deleted immediately, barely even enough time to show as "under review" before they went away. Did screenshot the second comment so the forum can see how "non constructive" it apparently was.
They should rename the site to "Bringen Sie einen Anhänger mit"
Vern
back in the 80s Tom Peters told the story... "it's all about the sizzle..." (forget the actual steak) :o ::)
Quote from: Vernon Estes on February 10, 2026, 01:27:09 PMTried to comment again, and then again... both deleted immediately, barely even enough time to show as "under review" before they went away. Did screenshot the second comment so the forum can see how "non constructive" it apparently was.
They should rename the site to "Bringen Sie einen Anhänger mit"
Vern
Vern, you're welcome here anytime ... although, as Groucho said, "I wouldn't belong to any club that would have me as a member." ;) ;D
Fred
Thanks Fred that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy coming from you ;D
I've been a big proponent of BaT since the early days.. which is what makes the moderation of the comment section all the more surprising to me.
Kind regards,
Vern
Quote from: Vernon Estes on February 10, 2026, 12:50:52 PMAnd take it from a low volume/high quality type of seller-- the seller standards/rules for high volume sellers as well as the moderation of their comment sections does not seem to bare much resemblance to how they treat low volume sellers.
Quote from: Vernon Estes on February 10, 2026, 01:27:09 PMTried to comment again, and then again... both deleted immediately, barely even enough time to show as "under review" before they went away. Did screenshot the second comment so the forum can see how "non constructive" it apparently was.
They should rename the site to "Bringen Sie einen Anhänger mit"
I have experienced this same result, and mind you more than once; this if what you might be introducing into the commentary isn't that which a "partner" or "favored" Seller might find favorable. So henceforth, one must understand that BAT obviously is "not" solely an unbiased presenter in the relationship! ;)
But in the short-run, profits are up! But in only a matter of time, these actions 'will' poison the well!
Oh, and by the way, "every" posting I make to BAT is: "Held for review by the BAT staff!" :o
Scott.
I have also had comments denied repeatedly (not on this car but another '67 Shelby a few weeks ago), after three attempts at the same comment I gave up - the Monitors have their sacred cows to hide or protect. Don't mess with their agenda!
Let's see if they allow my comment, which is pretty much what Vern asked...
Looks like your comment "stuck", I gave you a thumbs up - now you have 289 somehow fitting ;-)
Hey look at that, my comment stuck also ;D
A restored car on its third motor, not properly detailed probably wouldn't make my top ten of best in the world 😉
I feel sorry for the enthusiast that claims it is the best he has ever seen.He would need to get out more. It is a nice car from the outside but given the yardstick on a high value 67 GT500 is typically how original compared to assemblyline this car falls far from the mark. To give a idea without going into the multitude of incorrect parts, hardware, finishes and installation this car would fall short of even placing in a SAAC or MCA venue Shelby class.That includes the MCA driven class IMO.
Like I said: "quite the salesman"! ::)
Scott.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on February 10, 2026, 07:10:19 PMI feel sorry for the enthusiast that claims it is the best he has ever seen.He would need to get out more. It is a nice car from the outside but given the yardstick on a high value 67 GT500 is typically how original compared to assemblyline this car falls far from the mark. To give a idea without going into the multitude of incorrect parts, hardware, finishes and installation this car would fall short of even placing in a SAAC or MCA venue Shelby class.That includes the MCA driven class IMO.
+1
Please if your restoring or thinking about restoring a similar car don't use this car as a yardstick for that sort of details. But of course I don't believe it was ever built to be a nice example of a restored car and that's OK :)
It might just indicate how a lot of buyers are not so concerned about concourse correct cars. They want something that looks the part. Apparently, this car sold for $440,000 a couple years ago, that has to be close to a record price for a '67 GT500, right?
That was in 2022, but the car failed to sell for $300,000 at Mecum last month.
Quote from: owenkelley on February 11, 2026, 12:07:49 AMIt might just indicate how a lot of buyers are not so concerned about concourse correct cars. They want something that looks the part. Apparently, this car sold for $440,000 a couple years ago, that has to be close to a record price for a '67 GT500, right?
Alcohol is a hell of a thing.
I'm guessing even at the 300k "high bid" at Kissimmee... it was likely the popcorn machine in the back of the arena that was the high bidder.
Many BAT buyers it appears don't care about the correct details but want a shiny great looking car. I don't like when cars are photographed as " poster quality" on BAT. I think they hide things at times. Seems 1 guy doesn't know a Purple Shelby vert was made.
I think theres actually more than one purple car
Quote from: Vernon Estes on February 10, 2026, 01:27:09 PMTried to comment again, and then again... both deleted immediately, barely even enough time to show as "under review" before they went away. Did screenshot the second comment so the forum can see how "non constructive" it apparently was.
They should rename the site to "Bringen Sie einen Anhänger mit"
Vern
this happened to me on a 70 Boss9 a month ago. I made a remark to a guy who said something like hey guys quit the the small increments and jump it to 400k( Bidding ended around 257k). I made my comment and it was flagged. Then every post I tried to make since then was reviewed and never posted after I asked bat why. I was tagged twice and couldn't respond. I quit going on bat for almost 3 weeks after that. My friends Tommy Bruin( who has been in bat jail a few times) and BKrug have text conversations about how Bat has deteriorated. Both have sold numerous cars on bat and have bought on Bat. Heck a guy today called me out saying that Shelby never made a purple car( my ref was to 69s) but I'm sure Ed and Bob would disagree with the guy. Whether it's Facebook or Bat too many commenting on things they don't know JS about. We call it an ass slapping site now.
Quote from: JD on February 10, 2026, 02:17:40 PMI have also had comments denied repeatedly (not on this car but another '67 Shelby a few weeks ago), after three attempts at the same comment I gave up - the Monitors have their sacred cows to hide or protect. Don't mess with their agenda!
when Bats algorithm hits me I'll mess and try and post " great car!" And it will be held for review and not posted. Have you ever had a mostly blank page that said " are you sure you want to do that?". Sometimes it would go in a loop and never let you post.
Quote from: Coralsnake on February 11, 2026, 10:54:28 AMI think theres actually more than one purple car
yeah, I didn't reference Bob's purple car in my post on Bat .
Quote from: Vernon Estes on February 11, 2026, 08:34:49 AMI'm guessing even at the 300k "high bid" at Kissimmee... it was likely the popcorn machine in the back of the arena that was the high bidder.
Yeah, probably! ;)
And I'm not naive enough to not realize such as being often the case; as an old auctioneer friend said to me: "there's an a$$ for every seat, and we bring out the best!" :o
I've always wanted to be that guy, who stood up in auction gallery and yield out: "Hold up, hold up! Just out of curiosity, who here just put-in that last ridiculously astronomical bid, on this car, the one right there currently on the block? . . . . . . . . . Anyone?"" ::)
Scott.
Quote from: Coralsnake on February 11, 2026, 10:54:28 AMI think theres actually more than one purple car
There is. I saw a TikTok yesterday and a Guy was showing off his Collection of 67 Shelby's and he had one of each Color (but one), including a Purple one, and said the only color he didn't have was Gold then asked, if you know of one for Sale to let him know, he has Cash.
A purple '67 Shelby delivered from the Factory - Ford via Shelby??
I'm aware of one '67 Shelby special order Vintage Burgundy. (There was also a Special order Yellow - the only two special order '67's both existing colors available on '67 Ford Mustangs but not Shelby's) There were only 10 "Standard" '67 Shelby exterior colors through-out the '67 production run none were "purple". There were 23 Bronze (not gold) cars early in the production run but that color was pulled and only a few made. Bret (Cape Cod Mustangs that lists Shelby's here) has had 3 (?) of the Bronze cars, he may still have one.
Can you post the TikToc link or provide the Shelby Car VIN?
Quote from: pbf777 on February 11, 2026, 01:47:09 PMQuote from: Vernon Estes on February 11, 2026, 08:34:49 AMI'm guessing even at the 300k "high bid" at Kissimmee... it was likely the popcorn machine in the back of the arena that was the high bidder.
Yeah, probably! ;)
And I'm not naive enough to not realize such as being often the case; as an old auctioneer friend said to me: "there's an a$$ for every seat, and we bring out the best!" :o
I've always wanted to be that guy, who stood up in auction gallery and yield out: "Hold up, hold up! Just out of curiosity, who here just put-in that last ridiculously astronomical bid, on this car, the one right there currently on the block? . . . . . . . . . Anyone?"" ::)
Scott.
I was the used car manager at a new car dealership back in the 90's. We often referred to it as bidding against the Coke machine. The auctioneers at the everyday auctions, not classic auctions would typically run you up to the reserve if you were the only person actually bidding on the car, and of course the consignor was usually there protecting his car as well. You just needed to have a number in mind you were willing to pay, sometimes you get what you feel is a good buy, but you have to be willing to just walk away if it goes beyond your number. At a no reserve auction I'm sure the auctioneers are very good at making it look like there's more bidders than there actually are.
I have two BAT stories
BAT deleted my membership back about 4 years ago. I bought a rare Hearse 1 of only 4 built by Regency (Long story), anyways the person gave a full detail of the restoration process and time it took. It was a last minute purchase with about 20 minutes on the time as I had just heard about the auction. After winning and researching I then discovered the write up was a complete lie, got in touch with the owner before who said the car had only been out of his hands for 3 to 4 months and it was full of rust and rot and missing panels. Basically the new buyers filled all that in with fiberglass and bondo and smoothed it out for the sale. I explained this to BAT and showed the proof, they still sided with the seller and deleted my account after multiple sales and purchases. That was the last of me ever dealing with BAT.
Hyman LTD sold a Maserati on BAT for 250k closing price. I offered 1 month before that 250k and was turned down. I reached out to Hyman as I had purchased from them before and gave my frustrations on why they would sell the car with FEES on BAT for 250k but not to me for 250k. Was basically told of some kick back they got and the car was a consignment. I felt they basically screwed over the Owner of that car by telling me no immediately, then selling on BAT at a reduced price.
Quote from: owenkelley on February 11, 2026, 03:40:59 PMI was the used car manager at a new car dealership back in the 90's. We often referred to it as bidding against the Coke machine.
I think the appropriate colloquialism associated here is: "the "Indian" in the back of the room"! My buddy actually had a full-size Indian mannequin standing in the back of the room during his auctions; he said that way he never had to lie as where the bids might be coming from! ::)
Scott.
Quote from: JD on February 11, 2026, 03:01:27 PMA purple '67 Shelby delivered from the Factory - Ford via Shelby??
I'm aware of one '67 Shelby special order Vintage Burgundy. (There was also a Special order Yellow - the only two special order '67's both existing colors available on '67 Ford Mustangs but not Shelby's) There were only 10 "Standard" '67 Shelby exterior colors through-out the '67 production run none were "purple". There were 23 Bronze (not gold) cars early in the production run but that color was pulled and only a few made. Bret (Cape Cod Mustangs that lists Shelby's here) has had 3 (?) of the Bronze cars, he may still have one.
Can you post the TikToc link or provide the Shelby Car VIN?
JD this confusion started with someone on BAT posting -GonzoDaGreek This author's likes: 69
@Shelbymann70: You of all people should know
Shelby never made anything "purple". The correct color you are referring to is Royal Maroon. Shelbymann called him out that he was mistaken. The Bat poster said "anything" which covered all the years and not just 1967 like the auction.
Honestly who would want a purple shelby?
The guys that own those things must be real wierdos
Quote from: Vernon Estes on February 11, 2026, 07:02:38 PMHonestly who would want a purple shelby?
A Chrysler "cross-over" guy! ;)
And for the record: their just "plum crazy"! ::)
Scott.
Quote from: Vernon Estes on February 11, 2026, 07:02:38 PMHonestly who would want a purple shelby?
The guys that own those things must be real wierdos
Why I otta :o :)
What is frustrating are the twits who gush about a car that is nice but not one of the best but they gush like it is. Those are factual and analytical about what a car is are now in a quandary. Do you want to be negative on a car to be real about it contradicting the cheerleading clueless twits and be perceived as someone who is " trashing cars" or do you just move on ? I just move on now. But if a seller states false crap I might just "correct" them. I'm sure sellers have buddies gush about their cars. How can you prove some are clueless? I was corrected making a comment about Ed Meyers" purple 69 and a guy corrected me and even though he was incorrect after my post and Pete's post on purple cars the guy has 2 likes which means 2 clueless guys liked the post and kept their likes when the OP admitted he was wrong.... You can't fix stupid
Quote from: Bob Gaines on February 11, 2026, 08:23:44 PMQuote from: Vernon Estes on February 11, 2026, 07:02:38 PMHonestly who would want a purple shelby?
The guys that own those things must be real wierdos
Why I otta :o :)
ok whose car really isn't "purple" , Bob? Ed? Lol
Well mine is still mostly original paint and its on buildsheet and the extra papers and shelby letterhead notes that came with my invoice from lois eminger back in 98 as thats when i contacted the original dealership in wadsworth ohio and paid them a visit and the salesman who ordered and sold the car thru shelby marshall motors ford cleveland wrote me a 2 page documented letter telling the whole interesting story about how and why this car was built.
I am hoping BaT tulip bulb mania is ending
saw a You tube video the other day from a guy who analyzes all the auction houses........BAT is avg like 5,000 listings per month now
if you notice they have Preferred sellers that get their cars listed all the time.....not sure what the cost is to be preferred....
I have submitted three neon signs and was rejected within hours on all.
Never looked into the details of selling items on BAT didn't know that you could not be approved or rejected to sell. I do find like others have stated lots of cheerleaders and back slapping in the comments section. People asking ridiculous questions like "Does the vehicle have A/C?" when clearly there is no compressor or other A/C items. Maybe they are trying to be funny but they ask the question a lot and are not bidders. I attended their cars & coffee event last year in MA. Lots of cool & interesting vehicles got to put some miles on my car. Considered getting an account on BAT but would have to refrain from commenting.
Quote from: SCJSTU on February 12, 2026, 03:50:33 PMsaw a You tube video the other day from a guy who analyzes all the auction houses........BAT is avg like 5,000 listings per month now
if you notice they have Preferred sellers that get their cars listed all the time.....not sure what the cost is to be preferred....
I have submitted three neon signs and was rejected within hours on all.
yep, not everyone is treated the same on BAT. One seller sells signs all the time and coin operated rides that are not automotive. I had a mutual friend try to put a rare steering wheel on BAT and get turned down when lesser parts were listed by "known" sellers. If you are a pion more than likely BAT will try and bully you with a no reserve or low reserve while I've seen some ridiculous reserves(RNM) on BAT from known sellers. I know many who declined because BAT wanted a very low reserve.
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on February 15, 2026, 12:55:51 PMQuote from: SCJSTU on February 12, 2026, 03:50:33 PMsaw a You tube video the other day from a guy who analyzes all the auction houses........BAT is avg like 5,000 listings per month now
if you notice they have Preferred sellers that get their cars listed all the time.....not sure what the cost is to be preferred....
I have submitted three neon signs and was rejected within hours on all.
yep, not everyone is treated the same on BAT. One seller sells signs all the time and coin operated rides that are not automotive. I had a mutual friend try to put a rare steering wheel on BAT and get turned down when lesser parts were listed by "known" sellers. If you are a pion more than likely BAT will try and bully you with a no reserve or low reserve while I've seen some ridiculous reserves(RNM) on BAT from known sellers. I know many who declined because BAT wanted a very low reserve.
Great point
I've been contacted by BAT about Shelby's I'm selling.
However, they want to decide on the reserve.
No thank you.
Just remember, . . . . . . it's THEIR show! ::)
Scott.
Here's the profile of the BAT SELLER ON THIS Shelby.....look how many listings he has had.
It looks like you have to sell thru a seller like this now for success.
People on there are always raving about his great pictures.
Personally, I do not see it, they look like they were taken in a cave lol
Quote from: capecodmustang.com on February 15, 2026, 01:06:55 PMQuote from: shelbymann1970 on February 15, 2026, 12:55:51 PMQuote from: SCJSTU on February 12, 2026, 03:50:33 PMsaw a You tube video the other day from a guy who analyzes all the auction houses........BAT is avg like 5,000 listings per month now
if you notice they have Preferred sellers that get their cars listed all the time.....not sure what the cost is to be preferred....
I have submitted three neon signs and was rejected within hours on all.
yep, not everyone is treated the same on BAT. One seller sells signs all the time and coin operated rides that are not automotive. I had a mutual friend try to put a rare steering wheel on BAT and get turned down when lesser parts were listed by "known" sellers. If you are a pion more than likely BAT will try and bully you with a no reserve or low reserve while I've seen some ridiculous reserves(RNM) on BAT from known sellers. I know many who declined because BAT wanted a very low reserve.
Great point
I've been contacted by BAT about Shelby's I'm selling.
However, they want to decide on the reserve.
No thank you.
I know quite a few 'potential" sellers who declined to sell as BAT was firm on a ridiculous low reserve or no reserve at all. I know a few "preferred" sellers who didn't like my comments and my comment was flagged. One was the pictures were of framing quality but not good for me to go over to help a friend determine if he would bid on a car. Nothing outlandish but that he needed brighter pics because some areas the pics were too dark to see certain things. Now I just message a seller. Another was on a B9 not long ago on a RAh Rah guy for the seller and then flagged then I called out BAT on the flag(yes I will do that) and could NOT post the last few days of the auction as they reviewed every post than gone. One for the hell of it was "good luck @seller" and it was never posted. LOL. I quit posting for 3 weeks after that auction as they were "reviewing" every post I made for a few days. As Stu said it is "their game". I did offer to do the write up in cars since their writers don't know WTF they are doing.
Quote from: SCJSTU on February 15, 2026, 06:49:13 PMHere's the profile of the BAT SELLER ON THIS Shelby.....look how many listings he has had.
It looks like you have to sell thru a seller like this now for success.
I think most bidders are catching up to the fact that this particular seller and another just like him with a nearly equal sales volume take photo studio type images which hide what these cars actually look like in person.
BaT was founded on transparency and harsh criticism of the offered cars... its gone the opposite direction with the growth of the platform.
The platform will continue to grow... but it it wont be the same as it initially was.
As far as your implication that selling thru these sorts of dealers is the only way to go... I couldn't possibly agree less with you. ;D Clearly didn't work out for the seller of this 67 and, after the commission charged, I'm guessing there would have been better avenues even if a car achieved a decent sale number on BaT.
Kind regards,
Vern
Quote from: Vernon Estes on February 16, 2026, 12:12:39 PMQuote from: SCJSTU on February 15, 2026, 06:49:13 PMHere's the profile of the BAT SELLER ON THIS Shelby.....look how many listings he has had.
It looks like you have to sell thru a seller like this now for success.
I think most bidders are catching up to the fact that this particular seller and another just like him with a nearly equal sales volume take photo studio type images which hide what these cars actually look like in person.
BaT was founded on transparency and harsh criticism of the offered cars... its gone the opposite direction with the growth of the platform.
The platform will continue to grow... but it it wont be the same as it initially was.
As far as your implication that selling thru these sorts of dealers is the only way to go... I couldn't possibly agree less with you. ;D Clearly didn't work out for the seller of this 67 and, after the commission charged, I'm guessing there would have been better avenues even if a car achieved a decent sale number on BaT.
Kind regards,
Vern
Vern as Gary stated and other potential sellers have told me BAT wants an unreasonable reserve from them so basically forcing them out......BAT has really changed over the last couple years....my point about these PREFERRED Sellers is that it seems they get preferred treatment.....I would guess they pay something for that privalage
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on February 11, 2026, 08:42:07 PMWhat is frustrating are the twits who gush about a car . . . . .
At this point in time this is what BAT feels is the value in the comment section, that and the "I remember when . . . . ." stories, as these aid in promoting the sale of the item listed; and that's when they reap the greater payout. Most anything else that doesn't support the successful sale is not appreciated and has been becoming more aggressively suppressed as time has passed. :o
The same for the lower reserve initiatives, there's more money in it for them if the item sells, doesn't matter to them if the consignor losses their shirt in the deal. ;)
Scott.
Quote from: JD on February 11, 2026, 03:01:27 PMA purple '67 Shelby delivered from the Factory - Ford via Shelby??
I'm aware of one '67 Shelby special order Vintage Burgundy. (There was also a Special order Yellow - the only two special order '67's both existing colors available on '67 Ford Mustangs but not Shelby's) There were only 10 "Standard" '67 Shelby exterior colors through-out the '67 production run none were "purple". There were 23 Bronze (not gold) cars early in the production run but that color was pulled and only a few made. Bret (Cape Cod Mustangs that lists Shelby's here) has had 3 (?) of the Bronze cars, he may still have one.
Can you post the TikToc link or provide the Shelby Car VIN?
I found the Youtube Video of it.. It is the George Conrad Collection. Here is a YouTube Link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XXF5uXPu7E
OK, George Conrad collection. Have been to his place a couple times, Yes he means Bronze on the '67 not Gold and he also, like many, refers to the '67 upper scoop lights as "side marker" lights another mis-spoken comment.
I did not hear him say anything about "purple", maybe that's in part II?
Quote from: JD on February 17, 2026, 12:36:29 AMOK, George Conrad collection. Have been to his place a couple times, Yes he means Bronze on the '67 not Gold and he also, like many, refers to the '67 upper scoop lights as "side marker" lights another mis-spoken comment.
I did not hear him say anything about "purple", maybe that's in part II?
He calls his Purple "Thunderbird Gray" and says that their are about a Dozen Shelby's that color.
Oh, OK I missed him saying Purple when he was at that car and they didn't show it up close. That was a buddy's car that George bought after he passed.
It's one of the 29 gray '67 Shelby's they made (all were GG350's), it's not a Mustang color but a Lincoln color that was also used on Thunderbirds - Huntington Gray. It has a lot of colors in it (blue & red/magenta) and at certain angles and lighting they have a very purple cast to them. As you walk around it the color changes, you either seem to love it or not.
Here is a photo of another Gray '67 from back when the car was new...
Here are the pictures of 1128 that I took in 1981, the first two taken in Deer Lodge Montana. The one that shows it with Cragars was taken after it moved to Missoula after being sold for $3800. That's the pic that shows the strange little square taillights that were added at some point.