After watching the video's and reading what is available out there I seen that Jim's little sister Anne is still alive. So I mailed here a letter and asked if she had the original title in here possession of Jim's things.
I received a reply yesterday. She does not! I notified Capecod mustang of this information. Letting all here know as well.
She did ask, If it was ever found or the title that she would like to know.
Troy
Wow! That's dedication toward the forensics.
Would be even better if someone could track down Ray Wolff son of Hi-Performance when it was open in California and if he has any of the papers from the business. May show who the Shelby was sold to.
Ray passed in 1991
Try Googling Morrison's car. Was NOT owned by JM at all, but the studio or his management firm.
Quote from: roddster on January 19, 2026, 12:54:06 PMTry Googling Morrison's car. Was NOT owned by JM at all, but the studio or his management firm.
Elektra Records
Call me crazy, but I think someday it will turn up. To all the nay sayers, just think 'Lil Red'.
Quote from: BGlover67 on January 19, 2026, 03:14:33 PMCall me crazy, but I think someday it will turn up. To all the nay sayers, just think 'Lil Red'.
I agree with you Brian. It is probably resting in a garage or barn out of sight.
Quote from: FL SAAC on January 19, 2026, 01:30:18 PMQuote from: roddster on January 19, 2026, 12:54:06 PMTry Googling Morrison's car. Was NOT owned by JM at all, but the studio or his management firm.
Elektra Records
The known registration states Jim Morrison C/O Johnson and Harband
We will always have Hwy. an American pastoral..
Quote from: BGlover67 on January 19, 2026, 03:14:33 PMCall me crazy, but I think someday it will turn up. To all the nay sayers, just think 'Lil Red'.
67402F2U00939
It's not a mystery, but I have it on good authority that the cars VIN does not show up in any US based DMV records at this time. That is not to say it's not sitting in a storage locker, garage, or warehouse basement awaiting to be found.......
As long as people have been looking for this car, I suspect there aren't too many "new" ideas
I am one of those that believe the car is still around in some shape or form. My car 1189 is a testament to some very long storage, say 45 years or so being shoved in the back of some garage..... before going forward and making it presentable again. I believed I had found the Morrison car, because of its interesting storyline and VERY short time on the road before having a mishap that took it off the road for many decades, and some strange and interesting characters that had crossed its path. The VIN became known a while back to my dismay and some others but the story is still an interesting one considering the people and cars of the swinging sixties. I hope we will see this one pop up as well, they are still out there!!!
OK, what screwball will bid this one up whenever it appears. Seems the 66 GT 350 that the son of "The Rifleman" didn't get too high.
I believe Brett at Cape Cod Mustang has an original Registration Card of Jim"s for the car.
If the car is ever found, it'll see for big bucks......... huge, huge money.
QSS
Quote from: QuickSilverShelby on January 20, 2026, 11:18:32 PMI believe Brett at Cape Cod Mustang has an original Registration Card of Jim"s for the car.
If the car is ever found, it'll see for big bucks......... huge, huge money.
QSS
Yes.
It is believed that the car was "totaled", within the definition of that insurance term and if so, the insurance company would have paid off the claim and would own the title.
There have been no "witnesses" to have come forward to confirm anything.
Considering that at that time records would have been kept on paper, the likeliness those documents still exist is very unlikely. Even Ford cleans out their own paper records after a set period of time, which really is why SAAC has been able to obtain so many, on their way to the trash bin.
Only time will tell if the bones to this car still exist but if the initial story is accurate, then the cars remains likely were just parted out in a salvage yard since then it would have been just another, less then $100 LA salvage wreck.
Considering how many have been looking and how many in LA have "connections" within the circles a survivor would have traveled in that area, it most likely just slipped through everyone's fingers, insignificantly piece by piece.
So even if someone was able to recover the paper title from the original insurer, without the main part of the chassis to build on, it would just become what SAAC calls an "air car".
Considering the recent discussions of "Bullet", it is a completely new car built on the original serial number. Is that the "real original car"? Personally, I think not but honestly there is no telling what the power of fantasy is in dollars.
I suppose it all depends on how good of a salesman one is?
A buyer is just purchasing a paper "bill of goods".
Quote from: QuickSilverShelby on January 20, 2026, 11:18:32 PMI believe Brett at Cape Cod Mustang has an original Registration Card of Jim"s for the car.
If the car is ever found, it'll see for big bucks......... huge, huge money.
QSS
Yes, he bought it off Ebay, outbid me by a few shekels ;)
From my strange Brain..................... If Someone has the actual VIN Number, enough money and time, they could easily do some thing like a "Re-Body" Restoration of JM's Shelby. You can find most, if not all of the needed used parts to turn a very good used 1967 Mustang Body (the right Body) into a 1967 Shelby GT 500. Cut out the VIN's and weld the space sup and restamp with the new VIN. once totally completed, age it and place it in a drafty dusty old Barn out in the middle of no where long enough to get it coated with a lot of Dust, wait for the right people at SAAC to die off and then "FIND IT".
Quote from: tesgt350 on January 21, 2026, 09:55:36 AMFrom my strange Brain..................... If Someone has the actual VIN Number, enough money and time, they could easily do some thing like a "Re-Body" Restoration of JM's Shelby. You can find most, if not all of the needed used parts to turn a very good used 1967 Mustang Body (the right Body) into a 1967 Shelby GT 500. Cut out the VIN's and weld the space sup and restamp with the new VIN. once totally completed, age it and place it in a drafty dusty old Barn out in the middle of no where long enough to get it coated with a lot of Dust, wait for the right people at SAAC to die off and then "FIND IT".
...and then wait for the "right sucker"?
Quote from: tesgt350 on January 21, 2026, 09:55:36 AMFrom my strange Brain..................... If Someone has the actual VIN Number, enough money and time, they could easily do some thing like a "Re-Body" Restoration of JM's Shelby. You can find most, if not all of the needed used parts to turn a very good used 1967 Mustang Body (the right Body) into a 1967 Shelby GT 500. Cut out the VIN's and weld the space sup and restamp with the new VIN. once totally completed, age it and place it in a drafty dusty old Barn out in the middle of no where long enough to get it coated with a lot of Dust, wait for the right people at SAAC to die off and then "FIND IT".
We agree with you 100% then its off to the highest bidder.
Wait I have a vision for one of the Mega Auction Houses will feature this package:
Now offering in bright lights
"Jimmy's Blue Lady and El Bullitt Numero Dos"
Quote from: tesgt350 on January 21, 2026, 09:55:36 AMFrom my strange Brain..................... If Someone has the actual VIN Number, enough money and time, they could easily do some thing like a "Re-Body" Restoration of JM's Shelby. You can find most, if not all of the needed used parts to turn a very good used 1967 Mustang Body (the right Body) into a 1967 Shelby GT 500. Cut out the VIN's and weld the space sup and restamp with the new VIN. once totally completed, age it and place it in a drafty dusty old Barn out in the middle of no where long enough to get it coated with a lot of Dust, wait for the right people at SAAC to die off and then "FIND IT".
yeah right ::)
How does one explain the newspaper ad from the early '70's (pics online) with the CA license plate number of the car? VRD 389 I think it was...
Quote from: SFM5S159 on January 21, 2026, 01:40:57 PMHow does one explain the newspaper ad from the early '70's (pics online) with the CA license plate number of the car? VRD 389 I think it was...
What's to explain, you register it in a State that does not issue Titles to old Cars and then you Lie and Cheat on the Forms.
Some facts - it was common for stars etc to have business managers who took care of the details such as car registration. This also created a different address so fans didn't show up on your doorstep.
Each year you got a new registration card - There was one pink slip issued that would have the same info.
It's known the car was crashed - ads by Ray Wolff don't mention crashed or inoperable. It appears to be a complete viable car while on his lot. So it did not end up in a junkyard at that time. This also dispels the rumor that Morrison totaled it. He may have crashed it but it was repairable.
When sold the pink slip gets filled out with the new owners name address etc and surrendered to DMV who issues a new one in the name of the new owner.
When the DMV updated their computer system (late 70s?) they only included currently registered cars. The Morrison car was not registered in CA at that time.
Certain people (law enforcement, insurance adjusters) could hand search the early non computerized DMV records. When DMV found fraud was occurring (in the mid 80s) due to those searches they cancelled access without a warrant.
So someone got the car from Ray Wolff - or he sent it to a dealer auction because it had sat on his lot for quite a time. A new owner got a title in his name for the car. When DMV switched computer systems it was not registered in CA. It could have been still registered in another state. If registered in another state the title would have been sent to CA for cancellation. The new owner may have totaled the car in CA prior to the computer change and it wouldn't show up. Even if totaled the salvage could still exist without paperwork - the insurance company gets the title and sells the salvage. DMV gets the title from the insurance or junkyard and it's cancelled.
Who is Ray Wolff?
Quote from: shelbydoug on January 21, 2026, 05:53:49 PMWho is Ray Wolff?
Ray Wolff worked for CS and raced a 65 Mustang FB. He was I think manager at HiPerf Motors. When that closed he opened his own sales lot.
Should we start the rumor the front 1/2 of his car was Morrison's GT500?
http://www.ponysite.de/68_notchback_Ray_Wolff.htm
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on January 21, 2026, 06:03:01 PMQuote from: shelbydoug on January 21, 2026, 05:53:49 PMWho is Ray Wolff?
Ray Wolff worked for CS and raced a 65 Mustang FB. He was I think manager at HiPerf Motors. When that closed he opened his own sales lot.
Should we start the rumor the front 1/2 of his car was Morrison's GT500?
http://www.ponysite.de/68_notchback_Ray_Wolff.htm
Nope not Jimmy's half of a 500
But that half and half mustang still exists
The car was purchased new from Wolff?
Quote from: shelbydoug on January 21, 2026, 09:13:22 PMThe car was purchased new from Wolff?
No it came from the Ford dealer in Westwood. Stockton Quincey they were the dealer closest to all the Hwood management places.
Here is a Aug 67 paragraph from the Shelby Enterprises letter on what was happening to all the divisions after Ford had shut him down. The letter is on the Shelby Research Group site. https://www.1967shelbyresearch.com/library/docs/
I hear the car is still around and believe it. On another note people keep saying titles. I thought California didn't have titles back then just pink slips. Same thing?
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on January 22, 2026, 12:36:40 AMI hear the car is still around and believe it. On another note people keep saying titles. I thought California didn't have titles back then just pink slips. Same thing?
Yes many use both terms. usage can reflect your age or how long you've lived in the state since they haven't been pink in color for decades.
Until it will be found....some inspiration what to look for. 8)
At least an idea for a future museum display instead of being in a Mecum glass box.
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on January 21, 2026, 05:10:26 PMSome facts - it was common for stars etc to have business managers who took care of the details such as car registration. This also created a different address so fans didn't show up on your doorstep.
Each year you got a new registration card - There was one pink slip issued that would have the same info.
It's known the car was crashed - ads by Ray Wolff don't mention crashed or inoperable. It appears to be a complete viable car while on his lot. So it did not end up in a junkyard at that time. This also dispels the rumor that Morrison totaled it. He may have crashed it but it was repairable.
When sold the pink slip gets filled out with the new owners name address etc and surrendered to DMV who issues a new one in the name of the new owner.
When the DMV updated their computer system (late 70s?) they only included currently registered cars. The Morrison car was not registered in CA at that time.
Certain people (law enforcement, insurance adjusters) could hand search the early non computerized DMV records. When DMV found fraud was occurring (in the mid 80s) due to those searches they cancelled access without a warrant.
So someone got the car from Ray Wolff - or he sent it to a dealer auction because it had sat on his lot for quite a time. A new owner got a title in his name for the car. When DMV switched computer systems it was not registered in CA. It could have been still registered in another state. If registered in another state the title would have been sent to CA for cancellation. The new owner may have totaled the car in CA prior to the computer change and it wouldn't show up. Even if totaled the salvage could still exist without paperwork - the insurance company gets the title and sells the salvage. DMV gets the title from the insurance or junkyard and it's cancelled.
How was the Car crashed? What was the Damage?
Quote from: tesgt350 on January 22, 2026, 06:51:52 AMQuote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on January 21, 2026, 05:10:26 PMSome facts - it was common for stars etc to have business managers who took care of the details such as car registration. This also created a different address so fans didn't show up on your doorstep.
Each year you got a new registration card - There was one pink slip issued that would have the same info.
It's known the car was crashed - ads by Ray Wolff don't mention crashed or inoperable. It appears to be a complete viable car while on his lot. So it did not end up in a junkyard at that time. This also dispels the rumor that Morrison totaled it. He may have crashed it but it was repairable.
When sold the pink slip gets filled out with the new owners name address etc and surrendered to DMV who issues a new one in the name of the new owner.
When the DMV updated their computer system (late 70s?) they only included currently registered cars. The Morrison car was not registered in CA at that time.
Certain people (law enforcement, insurance adjusters) could hand search the early non computerized DMV records. When DMV found fraud was occurring (in the mid 80s) due to those searches they cancelled access without a warrant.
So someone got the car from Ray Wolff - or he sent it to a dealer auction because it had sat on his lot for quite a time. A new owner got a title in his name for the car. When DMV switched computer systems it was not registered in CA. It could have been still registered in another state. If registered in another state the title would have been sent to CA for cancellation. The new owner may have totaled the car in CA prior to the computer change and it wouldn't show up. Even if totaled the salvage could still exist without paperwork - the insurance company gets the title and sells the salvage. DMV gets the title from the insurance or junkyard and it's cancelled.
How was the Car crashed? What was the Damage?
Here ya go:
There are two stories the majority of rock historians and Morrison biographers gravitate towards.
One story is that Morrison was driving one night and recklessly hit a telephone pole on Sunset Blvd. in Los Angeles.
He began to inspect the damage then wandered up the street to a bar for the rest of the night.
When he returned hours later, the car was gone. Another story has Morrison parked his car at the airport for an extended period of time while going on tour.
Once again, the car was missing when he went to retrieve it, having been towed. No one has been able to fully confirm these stories, but what's for sure is that the car was lost.
The Mystery of Jim Morrison's 'Blue Lady' Mustang - McLarty Daniel Ford Blog
https://www.bentonvilleford.com/blogs/7512/the-mystery-of-jim-morrisons-blue-lady-mustang
Well here is story three.
He was wasted. He crashed the car. Abandoned it on the street and reported it stolen.
That was the "first" one that I heard of somewhere around 40 years ago.
That was the last time that he crashed it. There were more times.
...something about driving it flat out up a dead end street until he ran out of street...
::)
Quote from: tesgt350 on January 21, 2026, 03:02:41 PMQuote from: SFM5S159 on January 21, 2026, 01:40:57 PMHow does one explain the newspaper ad from the early '70's (pics online) with the CA license plate number of the car? VRD 389 I think it was...
What's to explain, you register it in a State that does not issue Titles to old Cars and then you Lie and Cheat on the Forms.
If you contend the car didn't survive Morrison, how do you explain the newspaper as selling the car in 1971 in California ? Someone was planning to profit from the car (being Morrison's) when they ran the ad? 20 years before Al Gore invented the internet ? Clearly the car existed in some form after Morrison owned it. Being for sale, not as a wreck or salvage, but as a used car. Can't explain that away... Yes, the car could have been wrecked after Morrison, but it survived him, that's been established, that's the point I am making.
Quote from: SFM5S159 on January 21, 2026, 01:40:57 PMHow does one explain the newspaper ad from the early '70's (pics online) with the CA license plate number of the car? VRD 389 I think it was...
You actually you can explain it away, someone with the VIN to the car, perhaps someone who did work to the car, tune up, oil change, new tires or brakes placed the ad in hopes of coming up with a lead on the car in hopes of buying it, after of course hearing the story of it being totaled. There was a similar ad for a 68 GT500 KR convertible out of NYS in 1993, which was a known wreck, rollover, total and parted out car I had the drivers door and complete tags for. I had someone call me about it, when I called and responded, the person on the other end "Mike" folded like a cheap card table, and the ad was never placed again. By then, SAAC had already been notified of my findings......Could that be the case with 67402F2U00939 , we may never know.
Quote from: SFM5S159 on January 22, 2026, 01:28:24 PMSomeone was planning to profit from the car (being Morrison's) when they ran the ad?
At that time being Morrison's car wouldn't have been a big draw.
I forget the time of the Ray Wolff ads. (looks like Nov 70 - Oct 71) Morrison went to Paris March 11, 1971. There are ads for his girlfriends VW at first offered for sale by her at the Themis boutique she and Morrison started and later after she left for Paris with the phone number of the Doors office.
Found ads in an earlier 14 page thread that didn't solve the location problem either......
https://www.saac.com/forum/index.php?topic=5229.195
One thing in that thread that popped out said the registration card was found in Paris.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIwP-A65Vdc
Quote from: Bill on January 22, 2026, 02:23:18 PMQuote from: SFM5S159 on January 21, 2026, 01:40:57 PMHow does one explain the newspaper ad from the early '70's (pics online) with the CA license plate number of the car? VRD 389 I think it was...
You actually you can explain it away, someone with the VIN to the car, perhaps someone who did work to the car, tune up, oil change, new tires or brakes placed the ad in hopes of coming up with a lead on the car in hopes of buying it, after of course hearing the story of it being totaled. There was a similar ad for a 68 GT500 KR convertible out of NYS in 1993, which was a known wreck, rollover, total and parted out car I had the drivers door and complete tags for. I had someone call me about it, when I called and responded, the person on the other end "Mike" folded like a cheap card table, and the ad was never placed again. By then, SAAC had already been notified of my findings......Could that be the case with 67402F2U00939 , we may never know.
1968 - 1993 is a far different time frame than 69-71 when 939 goes silent. I can pretty much guarantee that Ray Wolff wasn't looking to add a clapped out GT500 to his inventory.
Quote from: Bill on January 22, 2026, 02:23:18 PMQuote from: SFM5S159 on January 21, 2026, 01:40:57 PMHow does one explain the newspaper ad from the early '70's (pics online) with the CA license plate number of the car? VRD 389 I think it was...
You actually you can explain it away, someone with the VIN to the car, perhaps someone who did work to the car, tune up, oil change, new tires or brakes placed the ad in hopes of coming up with a lead on the car in hopes of buying it, after of course hearing the story of it being totaled. There was a similar ad for a 68 GT500 KR convertible out of NYS in 1993, which was a known wreck, rollover, total and parted out car I had the drivers door and complete tags for. I had someone call me about it, when I called and responded, the person on the other end "Mike" folded like a cheap card table, and the ad was never placed again. By then, SAAC had already been notified of my findings......Could that be the case with 67402F2U00939 , we may never know.
Okay so they placed an ad in 1971 knowing that the car would someday be sought after and worth millions ? The individual in 1971 placed the ad for a car he knew was totaled so he could get a lead on the car? That just doesn't make sense in 1971, when the cars had no real value and people weren't aware of the whole Ford VIN and Shelby VIN thing. Occams Razor applies here, it takes mental gymnastics to come up with alternate explanations...
Quote from: SFM5S159 on January 22, 2026, 03:02:01 PMQuote from: Bill on January 22, 2026, 02:23:18 PMQuote from: SFM5S159 on January 21, 2026, 01:40:57 PMHow does one explain the newspaper ad from the early '70's (pics online) with the CA license plate number of the car? VRD 389 I think it was...
You actually you can explain it away, someone with the VIN to the car, perhaps someone who did work to the car, tune up, oil change, new tires or brakes placed the ad in hopes of coming up with a lead on the car in hopes of buying it, after of course hearing the story of it being totaled. There was a similar ad for a 68 GT500 KR convertible out of NYS in 1993, which was a known wreck, rollover, total and parted out car I had the drivers door and complete tags for. I had someone call me about it, when I called and responded, the person on the other end "Mike" folded like a cheap card table, and the ad was never placed again. By then, SAAC had already been notified of my findings......Could that be the case with 67402F2U00939 , we may never know.
Okay so they placed an ad in 1971 knowing that the car would someday be sought after and worth millions ? The individual in 1971 placed the ad for a car he knew was totaled so he could get a lead on the car? That just doesn't make sense in 1971, when the cars had no real value and people weren't aware of the whole Ford VIN and Shelby VIN thing. Occams Razor applies here, it takes mental gymnastics to come up with alternate explanations...
You asked, I gave a far fetched yet plausible explanation. The fact it was owned by a celebrity is enough to cause some fans to do unorthodox things. Especially in the 70's where recreational pharmaceuticals were widespread and easily obtained.
How early was JM's Shelby? Did it have an S in the Ford VIN? Did it have the scribed Z in the Shelby VIN? Who said the Car was actually "Totaled"?
I have always wondered what a Facebook discussion was like and here it is....never ending stupidity
Quote from: tesgt350 on January 22, 2026, 03:45:39 PMHow early was JM's Shelby? Did it have an S in the Ford VIN? Did it have the scribed Z in the Shelby VIN? Who said the Car was actually "Totaled"?
Jimmies car probably did have the Z stamped on it
The Z stamped cars were generally built after April 27, 1967, and continued through the rest of the 1967 model year.
Probably a few exceptions with out the Z
But since this car has evaporated...we may never know
To be continued
Quote from: Coralsnake on January 22, 2026, 04:11:11 PMI have always wondered what a Facebook discussion was like and here it is....never ending stupidity
Says the man looking for 004 ;D
Have you reviewed old phone books?
Google satellite maps?
Tried to track down old dealer owners or employees?
Wouldn't it be something if a SAAC member owned it and just wasn't ready to discuss it or how he found it?
Bret
Quote from: capecodmustang.com on January 22, 2026, 05:24:15 PMWouldn't it be something if a SAAC member owned it and just wasn't ready to discuss it or how he found it?
Bret
They would not have a moments peace if it was disclosed.
Quote from: shelbydoug on January 21, 2026, 09:22:13 AMQuote from: QuickSilverShelby on January 20, 2026, 11:18:32 PMI believe Brett at Cape Cod Mustang has an original Registration Card of Jim"s for the car.
If the car is ever found, it'll see for big bucks......... huge, huge money.
QSS
Yes.
It is believed that the car was "totaled", within the definition of that insurance term and if so, the insurance company would have paid off the claim and would own the title.
There have been no "witnesses" to have come forward to confirm anything.
Considering that at that time records would have been kept on paper, the likeliness those documents still exist is very unlikely. Even Ford cleans out their own paper records after a set period of time, which really is why SAAC has been able to obtain so many, on their way to the trash bin.
Only time will tell if the bones to this car still exist but if the initial story is accurate, then the cars remains likely were just parted out in a salvage yard since then it would have been just another, less then $100 LA salvage wreck.
Considering how many have been looking and how many in LA have "connections" within the circles a survivor would have traveled in that area, it most likely just slipped through everyone's fingers, insignificantly piece by piece.
So even if someone was able to recover the paper title from the original insurer, without the main part of the chassis to build on, it would just become what SAAC calls an "air car".
Considering the recent discussions of "Bullet", it is a completely new car built on the original serial number. Is that the "real original car"? Personally, I think not but honestly there is no telling what the power of fantasy is in dollars.
I suppose it all depends on how good of a salesman one is?
A buyer is just purchasing a paper "bill of goods".
Absolutely agree with the above statement. The car is long gone. It was a total. The insurance company (and the record company) do not want any liabilities. Scrapped and or crushed.
Quote from: capecodmustang.com on January 22, 2026, 05:24:15 PMWouldn't it be something if a SAAC member owned it and just wasn't ready to discuss it or how he found it?
Bret
"Well, well, well, the plot thickens" .... it could happen
Quote from: crossboss on January 22, 2026, 06:49:15 PMAbsolutely agree with the above statement. The car is long gone. It was a total. The insurance company (and the record company) do not want any liabilities. Scrapped and or crushed.
The last time the car was known there was no insurance or record company involvement. It was owned by Ray Wolff and part of his inventory. When and who he sold it to is the mystery.
Did the new owner take the car to AZ - as was rumored. Did the new owner total the car? - no evidence of that. Was the car scrapped? no evidence of that. What can be confirmed by the time CA switched their computer system the car was no longer registered in CA - or it would have been in the computer. That can mean 3 things. Car was intact and sitting unregistered but still titled to new owner in CA. Car had moved out of state - new state would have sent the surrendered CA title to CA for cancellation. Car had been junked in CA or elsewhere and title (in name of current owner - NOT Morrison) surrendered to DMV.
From the time Jim Morrison personally offered the car for sale (purchased by Ray Wolff?) and the last Ray Wolff ad it appears the car had been driven at least 10,000 miles. So totaled doesn't seem to fit.
Nothing lasts in LA - even the Morrison Hotel is gone. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-03/can-the-doors-rock-and-roll-fame-save-the-charred-morrison-hotel-the-world-is-watching
A plaque exists where there office was and a sign by the Laurel Canyon store his girlfriend lived near - Love Street "a store where the creatures meet" was a pretty fitting lyric for LA at the time.
Quote from: FL SAAC on January 22, 2026, 04:13:32 PMQuote from: tesgt350 on January 22, 2026, 03:45:39 PMHow early was JM's Shelby? Did it have an S in the Ford VIN? Did it have the scribed Z in the Shelby VIN? Who said the Car was actually "Totaled"?
Jimmies car probably did have the Z stamped on it
The Z stamped cars were generally built after April 27, 1967, and continued through the rest of the 1967 model year.
Probably a few exceptions with out the Z
But since this car has evaporated...we may never know
To be continued
Morrison's car was completed 3/20/67 but not originally shipped until 6/27/67.
Quote from: s2ms on January 22, 2026, 08:07:03 PMQuote from: FL SAAC on January 22, 2026, 04:13:32 PMQuote from: tesgt350 on January 22, 2026, 03:45:39 PMHow early was JM's Shelby? Did it have an S in the Ford VIN? Did it have the scribed Z in the Shelby VIN? Who said the Car was actually "Totaled"?
Jimmies car probably did have the Z stamped on it
The Z stamped cars were generally built after April 27, 1967, and continued through the rest of the 1967 model year.
Probably a few exceptions with out the Z
But since this car has evaporated...we may never know
To be continued
Morrison's car was completed 3/20/67 but not originally shipped until 6/27/67.
I saw where it was shipped to a different dealer then to the selling dealer.
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on January 22, 2026, 07:37:58 PMQuote from: crossboss on January 22, 2026, 06:49:15 PMAbsolutely agree with the above statement. The car is long gone. It was a total. The insurance company (and the record company) do not want any liabilities. Scrapped and or crushed.
The last time the car was known there was no insurance or record company involvement. It was owned by Ray Wolff and part of his inventory. When and who he sold it to is the mystery.
Did the new owner take the car to AZ - as was rumored. Did the new owner total the car? - no evidence of that. Was the car scrapped? no evidence of that. What can be confirmed by the time CA switched their computer system the car was no longer registered in CA - or it would have been in the computer. That can mean 3 things. Car was intact and sitting unregistered but still titled to new owner in CA. Car had moved out of state - new state would have sent the surrendered CA title to CA for cancellation. Car had been junked in CA or elsewhere and title (in name of current owner - NOT Morrison) surrendered to DMV.
From the time Jim Morrison personally offered the car for sale (purchased by Ray Wolff?) and the last Ray Wolff ad it appears the car had been driven at least 10,000 miles. So totaled doesn't seem to fit.
Nothing lasts in LA - even the Morrison Hotel is gone. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-03/can-the-doors-rock-and-roll-fame-save-the-charred-morrison-hotel-the-world-is-watching
A plaque exists where there office was and a sign by the Laurel Canyon store his girlfriend lived near - Love Street "a store where the creatures meet" was a pretty fitting lyric for LA at the time.
Every thing you said is a 'What IF' scenario. The odds are the car is long gone. It was a totaled car in the 1960s. Probably worth $500-$750. No one cared about a wrecked Shelby back then. I will acknowledge I am wrong until proof shows otherwise.
The second Bullitt car was also "Scrapped".
Quote from: crossboss on January 22, 2026, 08:38:29 PMIt was a totaled car in the 1960s.
What PROOF do you have it was a totaled car in the 60s. Everything out there is based on conjecture. Left at the airport - the registered owner would have gotten a notice to pay the bill and pickup the car. Abandoned at a crash site - again notice would be sent to RO pick it up and pay the bill. If either of those had resulted in a lien sale by the tow company Morrison would not have been able to advertise the car for sale. The EVIDENCE is that it existed and was sold as a drivable car in "showroom" condition in 1971 with 10,000+ more miles on it than when Morrison placed the initial ad in 1969 to sell it. I agree it probably doesn't exist today but the loss was not due to Morrison's driving ability.
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Occams Razor applies here, it takes mental gymnastics to come up with alternate explanations...
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Occams Razor is a "principle that states the simplest explanation with the fewest assumptions should be preferred between competing hypotheses".
The simplest answer is that after 54 years, if the car has not emerged (in some recognizable form), it likely no longer exists.
In 1970, a used USEABLE '67 GT500 probably had a resale value of around $2,500. How much repair costs would it have had if it was "undriveable" after it hit a telephone pole?
PROBABLY much more then the 50% or better of it's value is a good assumption. That is an "insurance total".
Additionally, as the public revelation of the ownership of the car showed, Morrison didn't own it, he only drove it on occasion.
Would that have created a high desire for the car then?
The reference in classified ads published by Wolff may or may not indicate his actual possession of the car. There are now and there were then, too many "wheeler dealers". Not to disparage Wolff's reputation, but what exactly was his reputation? Was it a "reliable as bedrock" one? Was it what would be the reliability of the "typical" 'used car salesman'?
Insurance company procedure then would have "totaled" the car and paid a settlement to the "management company" that owned the title. It then would have gone through the standard auctioning procedure. As a Mustang previously owned by "some unknown Corporation".
Hardly anything to draw attention to it.
Occam's Razor "theory", then and now, would tend to indicate, if it still exists, show me. Everything else is just "Conspiracy Theory".
It goes against most common reason, but unless one has been exposed to the TWILIGHT ZONE..... My car was stored in AZ for decades, in the furthest darkest corners of a storage bldg without ever seeing the light of day. That STRANGE WOMAN that has been linked to the car and has been mentioned on occasion crossed my path a few times she believed my car was the Morrison car... When the storage locker door was slowly opened it became an ulterior universe time machine moment back to 1971... when the car was taken off the road due to a mishap. They are out there still, lets hope it is just waiting its turn for a grand reappearance!!!
I took Auto Body and worked at a Auto Salvage Yard for 6 Years. Hitting a Utility Pole is known as a Pole Shot. Most Pole Shots usually only damage what is called a Three Quarter Front End and only damages the Inner Panels in front and on one side in front of the Shock Tower and the Hood, Front Face and usually just one Fender and some times no Fender. I believe back then, the Minimum Wage was under $1 so I think the repair Bill for a Pole Shot would be under $1,000. I think it could still be out there.
Quote from: shelbydoug on January 23, 2026, 09:24:07 AMIn 1970, a used USEABLE '67 GT500 probably had a resale value of around $2,500. How much repair costs would it have had if it was "undriveable" after it hit a telephone pole?
Additionally, as the public revelation of the ownership of the car showed, Morrison didn't own it, he only drove it on occasion.
Would that have created a high desire for the car then?
The reference in classified ads published by Wolff may or may not indicate his actual possession of the car. There are now and there were then, too many "wheeler dealers". Not to disparage Wolff's reputation, but what exactly was his reputation? Was it a "reliable as bedrock" one? Was it what would be the reliability of the "typical" 'used car salesman'?
Insurance company procedure then would have "totaled" the car and paid a settlement to the "management company" that owned the title. It then would have gone through the standard auctioning procedure. As a Mustang previously owned by "some unknown Corporation".
Hardly anything to draw attention to it.
Last price was $2,350. That it hit a phone pole is one of those urban legend stories. I'm certain if he hit a phone pole on Sunset in the 60s some teeny bopper or tourist would have a photo.
Morrison was the owner C/O meant that the management company was used as the address of ownership. There was no lien holder so Morrison owned it outright.
Rock star or even big actor owned didn't add much if anything to a cars value at that time. McQueen tried to buy back "his" Mustang (actually he never owned it) if it was cheap. His letter to the owner also dispels the rumors the car was lost.
Ray was a straight shooter. The car may have ended up in his hands due to his HiPerf Motors connection. When it was originally sold a secretary probably called SA. SA would have Ray Wolff handle it. He found the car they wanted and had it shipped to Stockton Quincy. When Morrison had no luck selling the car the management company secretary called Ray Wolff and he bought the car to resell. Or he saw the ad and they actually picked up the phone. The "office" was their rehearsal space so not really a place of business with regular hours.
The car "totaled" and sold through an auction would have the title and plates surrendered to DMV. The car was not a rebuilt total since it had the same plates.
Geesh. Whats to see?? There are other midnight blue, white interiored 67 GT 500's out there. Who cares if Morrison's ass spent time in the seat. My 67 GT 350 has a photo of Carroll sitting in the passenger seat, does that make it anymore valuable?
Come on baby, light my fire!!
Quote from: roddster on January 23, 2026, 01:33:32 PMMy 67 GT 350 has a photo of Carroll sitting in the passenger seat, does that make it anymore valuable?
Only if he was signing the glovebox.........
I've always gotten a kick out of the guy who sells "Carroll's personal car". CS probably never even saw most of them. They were registered in CS's name solely as a marketing tool.
At least Morrison didn't want a Lime Gold Lady.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYK0WgaQhGI
Morrison's best-known but seldom seen cinematic endeavor is HWY: An American Pastoral, a project he started in 1969. Morrison financed the venture and formed his own production company in order to maintain complete control of the project. Paul Ferrara, Frank Lisciandro, and Babe Hill assisted with the project. Morrison played the main character, a hitchhiker turned killer/car thief. Morrison asked his friend composer/pianist Fred Myrow to select the soundtrack for the film.
Quote from: roddster on January 23, 2026, 01:33:32 PMGeesh. Whats to see?? There are other midnight blue, white interiored 67 GT 500's out there. Who cares if Morrison's ass spent time in the seat. My 67 GT 350 has a photo of Carroll sitting in the passenger seat, does that make it anymore valuable?
Come on baby, light my fire!!
Evidently the market makes that decision, just look at anything owned or even driven by Steve McQueen...
The video of Morrison in the car certainly helps the value and adds to the mystique.
A whole lot of people care that his ass was in the seat!
There is hope - Morrison's Honda found.......
https://www.motorcycleclassics.com/classic-japanese-motorcycles/jim-morrison-honda-305-scrambler-zm0z12ndzbea/
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on January 23, 2026, 02:21:19 PMThere is hope - Morrison's Honda found.......
https://www.motorcycleclassics.com/classic-japanese-motorcycles/jim-morrison-honda-305-scrambler-zm0z12ndzbea/
Soon to be worth, wait for it...wait for it... one million cash money dollAs!
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Occams Razor is a "principle that states the simplest explanation with the fewest assumptions should be preferred between competing hypotheses".
The simplest answer is that after 54 years, if the car has not emerged (in some recognizable form), it likely no longer exists.
In 1970, a used USEABLE '67 GT500 probably had a resale value of around $2,500. How much repair costs would it have had if it was "undriveable" after it hit a telephone pole?
PROBABLY much more then the 50% or better of it's value is a good assumption. That is an "insurance total".
Additionally, as the public revelation of the ownership of the car showed, Morrison didn't own it, he only drove it on occasion.
Would that have created a high desire for the car then?
The reference in classified ads published by Wolff may or may not indicate his actual possession of the car. There are now and there were then, too many "wheeler dealers". Not to disparage Wolff's reputation, but what exactly was his reputation? Was it a "reliable as bedrock" one? Was it what would be the reliability of the "typical" 'used car salesman'?
Insurance company procedure then would have "totaled" the car and paid a settlement to the "management company" that owned the title. It then would have gone through the standard auctioning procedure. As a Mustang previously owned by "some unknown Corporation".
Hardly anything to draw attention to it.
Occam's Razor "theory", then and now, would tend to indicate, if it still exists, show me. Everything else is just "Conspiracy Theory".
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Got to agree with this guy here, seems to make sense
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Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on January 23, 2026, 12:06:28 AMQuote from: crossboss on January 22, 2026, 08:38:29 PMIt was a totaled car in the 1960s.
What PROOF do you have it was a totaled car in the 60s. Everything out there is based on conjecture. Left at the airport - the registered owner would have gotten a notice to pay the bill and pickup the car. Abandoned at a crash site - again notice would be sent to RO pick it up and pay the bill. If either of those had resulted in a lien sale by the tow company Morrison would not have been able to advertise the car for sale. The EVIDENCE is that it existed and was sold as a drivable car in "showroom" condition in 1971 with 10,000+ more miles on it than when Morrison placed the initial ad in 1969 to sell it. I agree it probably doesn't exist today but the loss was not due to Morrison's driving ability.
Just as much as you claim its still out there...
Holy Moses we know must entertain different conspericiese, theories or concepts to old Jimmies car disappearing.
Jimmie was driving recklessly and hit a telephone pole on Sunset Boulevard in Los Angeles. After inspecting the damage, he walked to the Whiskey A-Go-Go and partied the night away. When Morrison returned, the car was gone.
Towed it stolen, who knows.
Then someone mentioned:
What PROOF do you have it was a totaled car in the 60s?
Great question!
Wouldn't it be something if a SAAC member owned it and just wasn't ready to discuss it or how he found it?
GADZOOKS BATMAN ! what does he mean?
Jimmie parked the car at Los Angeles International Airport while The Doors went on tour, and when he returned the car had been towed or stolen.
Again who knows
1971 newspaper add
There's also speculation that the car was sold and resold multiple times—with the owners unaware of what they had—before it was driven into the ground and eventually crushed in the 1980s.
Who, what when, where?
Even if found, the condition and originality of the parts would be suspect. Forget the engine, the most valuable parts would be the doors!
Sorry about that... 8)
Quote from: Don Johnston on January 23, 2026, 03:04:15 PMEven if found, the condition and originality of the parts would be suspect. Forget the engine, the most valuable parts would be the doors!
Sorry about that... 8)
LITTLE BIRD, a shortened 1960 Thunderbird that was missing for about a Decade before I rescued from a Salvage Yard in the early 80's as a roller where I took a few years to get it on the road and painted it Pale Pink only to sell it about a year later. Not knowing what happened to it, it went missing again for about about 20 Years until I rescued it again only this time from a Tow Company Holding Yard and it was painted Red. So anything is possible.
Who really knows what makes people "believe"? Faith can be unreasonable and totally illogical.
This reminds me of "Peter Pan" and if we all clap together we can save Tinker Bell? Yikes.
As far as what is possible, "Commander Spok was always fond of saying...there are always possibilities". 8)
These comments are getting stupid.
Quote from: Nova68 on January 23, 2026, 05:31:36 PMThese comments are getting stupid.
Some more then others. I try to keep mine at least on a 51/49 basis. Sometimes that works.
Quote from: crossboss on January 23, 2026, 02:59:07 PMQuote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on January 23, 2026, 12:06:28 AMQuote from: crossboss on January 22, 2026, 08:38:29 PMIt was a totaled car in the 1960s.
What PROOF do you have it was a totaled car in the 60s. Everything out there is based on conjecture. Left at the airport - the registered owner would have gotten a notice to pay the bill and pickup the car. Abandoned at a crash site - again notice would be sent to RO pick it up and pay the bill. If either of those had resulted in a lien sale by the tow company Morrison would not have been able to advertise the car for sale. The EVIDENCE is that it existed and was sold as a drivable car in "showroom" condition in 1971 with 10,000+ more miles on it than when Morrison placed the initial ad in 1969 to sell it. I agree it probably doesn't exist today but the loss was not due to Morrison's driving ability.
Just as much as you claim its still out there...
The last sentence of my post seems to match the general consensus of the car currently.
Quote from: shelbydoug on January 23, 2026, 04:17:58 PMWho really knows what makes people "believe"? Faith can be unreasonable and totally illogical.
There is always the CSX2000, still sitting in an underground parking garage near Times Square to stoke the dream...........The father is almost 90, I have not spoken to him since 1985 or 1986, but I still speak with his kids almost every month........
Quote from: Bill on January 23, 2026, 07:46:29 PMQuote from: shelbydoug on January 23, 2026, 04:17:58 PMWho really knows what makes people "believe"? Faith can be unreasonable and totally illogical.
There is always the CSX2000, still sitting in an underground parking garage near Times Square to stoke the dream...........The father is almost 90, I have not spoken to him since 1985 or 1986, but I still speak with his kids almost every month........
It was parked next to Leno's Duesenberg..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdIKJ80ReiY
People cant tell the difference between the fake pictures posted above and a real picture, how would any of you expect to identify the real car?
Remember the song... DO YOU BELIEVE IN MAGIC! Sometimes they come true- ;D
Quote from: tesgt350 on January 22, 2026, 03:45:39 PMHow early was JM's Shelby? Did it have an S in the Ford VIN? Did it have the scribed Z in the Shelby VIN
Jimmies cars VIN was :
67402F2U00939
Let me also include a fun fact :
Ford Motor Company took over on April 27 or 4/27 or 427
Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction....
Quote from: Nova68 on January 23, 2026, 05:31:36 PMThese comments are getting stupid.
And continues to be ^^^^^
Quote from: 68cobra427 on January 18, 2026, 01:08:32 PMAfter watching the video's and reading what is available out there I seen that Jim's little sister Anne is still alive. So I mailed here a letter and asked if she had the original title in here possession of Jim's things.
I received a reply yesterday. She does not! I notified Capecod mustang of this information. Letting all here know as well.
She did ask, If it was ever found or the title that she would like to know.
Troy
Troy great post, I haven't seen so much interest, movement and life in this saac group since 1944...
Keepem coming!
Thanks
So, here we are, at yet another 6 pages of no "new" information that could have been done by either Googling Morrisons blue lady, ...or using the "Search feature" here on the forum.
Quote from: roddster on January 24, 2026, 12:08:54 PMSo, here we are, at yet another 6 pages of no "new" information that could have been done by either Googling Morrisons blue lady, ...or using the "Search feature" here on the forum.
It just feeds the troll.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on January 24, 2026, 01:20:47 PMIt just feeds the troll.
He has a unique way of contributing without adding much...
Quote from: roddster on January 24, 2026, 12:08:54 PMSo, here we are, at yet another 6 pages of no "new" information that could have been done by either Googling Morrisons blue lady, ...or using the "Search feature" here on the forum.
I'm only on page 2. Make life easier on yourself and change your settings to show 50 messages per page. Here's how in pictures. Just click or tap on each circled item.
Roy
Quote from: TA Coupe on January 24, 2026, 07:43:46 PMQuote from: roddster on January 24, 2026, 12:08:54 PMSo, here we are, at yet another 6 pages of no "new" information that could have been done by either Googling Morrisons blue lady, ...or using the "Search feature" here on the forum.
I'm only on page 2. Make life easier on yourself and change your settings to show 50 messages per page. Here's how in pictures. Just click or tap on each circled item.
Roy
Great tip
Thanks Roy
Quote from: Don Johnston on January 23, 2026, 03:04:15 PMEven if found, the condition and originality of the parts would be suspect. Forget the engine, the most valuable parts would be the doors!
Sorry about that... 8)
Donnie you sir are the BOSS
Chi Ching !
With ALL the speculation on Jimmies car, this is the only information that our SAAC registry has registered for it
Quote from: FL SAAC on January 23, 2026, 03:00:51 PM
Holy Moses we know must entertain different conspericiese, theories or concepts to old Jimmies car disappearing.
Jimmie was driving recklessly and hit a telephone pole on Sunset Boulevard in Los Angeles. After inspecting the damage, he walked to the Whiskey A-Go-Go and partied the night away. When Morrison returned, the car was gone.
Towed it stolen, who knows.
Then someone mentioned:
What PROOF do you have it was a totaled car in the 60s?
Great question!
Wouldn't it be something if a SAAC member owned it and just wasn't ready to discuss it or how he found it?
GADZOOKS BATMAN ! what does he mean?
Jimmie parked the car at Los Angeles International Airport while The Doors went on tour, and when he returned the car had been towed or stolen.
Again who knows
1971 newspaper add
There's also speculation that the car was sold and resold multiple times—with the owners unaware of what they had—before it was driven into the ground and eventually crushed in the 1980s.
Who, what when, where?
Never ending nothing.....
Jim says it all - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErsGS3RQNLI&list=RDErsGS3RQNLI&start_radio=1