I've seen discussions before but not sure if here or other places but a search here doesn't come up with answers. I got the "see through" red Dykem lay out die. Now its been discussed about the opaque red die like I see on so many fasteners that AMK sells. So is the first pic the die layout ink? Then the next 3 pics an opaque stain? I thought I read where the opaque was used on certain finishes because of the plating? The link is to a Dykem opaque staining color. Thanks in advance. Gary
https://www.pilotshq.com/products/dykem-opaque-staining-color?currency=USD&variant=40856183046280&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&stkn=7d9809af00ec&srsltid=AfmBOopjYdkraryqceDerOgouqh7UmUV_eZaeLXCFyWekzJozwINo13JjuI
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on January 10, 2026, 01:38:36 PMI've seen discussions before but not sure if here or other places but a search here doesn't come up with answers. I got the "see through" red Dykem lay out die. Now its been discussed about the opaque red die like I see on so many fasteners that AMK sells. So is the first pic the die layout ink? Then the next 3 pics an opaque stain? I thought I read where the opaque was used on certain finishes because of the plating? The link is to a Dykem opaque staining color. Thanks in advance. Gary
https://www.pilotshq.com/products/dykem-opaque-staining-color?currency=USD&variant=40856183046280&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&stkn=7d9809af00ec&srsltid=AfmBOopjYdkraryqceDerOgouqh7UmUV_eZaeLXCFyWekzJozwINo13JjuI
The finish look can be different depending on the dye uderlaying finish . A example is the dye over a zinc phosphate nut looks different (dull) compared to one with zinc silver . zinc dichromate gold has a different yet look.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on January 10, 2026, 03:22:34 PMQuote from: shelbymann1970 on January 10, 2026, 01:38:36 PMI've seen discussions before but not sure if here or other places but a search here doesn't come up with answers. I got the "see through" red Dykem lay out die. Now its been discussed about the opaque red die like I see on so many fasteners that AMK sells. So is the first pic the die layout ink? Then the next 3 pics an opaque stain? I thought I read where the opaque was used on certain finishes because of the plating? The link is to a Dykem opaque staining color. Thanks in advance. Gary
https://www.pilotshq.com/products/dykem-opaque-staining-color?currency=USD&variant=40856183046280&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&stkn=7d9809af00ec&srsltid=AfmBOopjYdkraryqceDerOgouqh7UmUV_eZaeLXCFyWekzJozwINo13JjuI
The finish look can be different depending on the dye uderlaying finish . A example is the dye over a zinc phosphate nut looks different (dull) compared to one with zinc silver . zinc dichromate gold has a different yet look.
Thanks Bob. I remember that, So are you using the same dye over every fastener that gets the red safely coating? I have used only the red layout dye but do you use the opaque on finishes that the "clear red dye" won't take to"? I think phospate was an issue? Thanks, Gary
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on January 10, 2026, 04:00:48 PMQuote from: Bob Gaines on January 10, 2026, 03:22:34 PMQuote from: shelbymann1970 on January 10, 2026, 01:38:36 PMI've seen discussions before but not sure if here or other places but a search here doesn't come up with answers. I got the "see through" red Dykem lay out die. Now its been discussed about the opaque red die like I see on so many fasteners that AMK sells. So is the first pic the die layout ink? Then the next 3 pics an opaque stain? I thought I read where the opaque was used on certain finishes because of the plating? The link is to a Dykem opaque staining color. Thanks in advance. Gary
https://www.pilotshq.com/products/dykem-opaque-staining-color?currency=USD&variant=40856183046280&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&stkn=7d9809af00ec&srsltid=AfmBOopjYdkraryqceDerOgouqh7UmUV_eZaeLXCFyWekzJozwINo13JjuI
The finish look can be different depending on the dye uderlaying finish . A example is the dye over a zinc phosphate nut looks different (dull) compared to one with zinc silver . zinc dichromate gold has a different yet look.
Thanks Bob. I remember that, So are you using the same dye over every fastener that gets the red safely coating? I have used only the red layout dye but do you use the opaque on finishes that the "clear red dye" won't take to"? I think phospate was an issue? Thanks, Gary
I use it over all the finish's mentioned when appropriate. Yes zinc phosphate can be hard to take the dye and may take multiple coats .
Bob, to be clear when you say you use it over multiple finishes are referring to the red layout dye or the opaque staining color.thanks as always. Gary
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on January 10, 2026, 10:56:05 PMBob, to be clear when you say you use it over multiple finishes are referring to the red layout dye or the opaque staining color.thanks as always. Gary
Red layout dye.
Plated finishes get dye, phosphate is paint