Is the inside area of an original decklid smooth or textured? Some photos I have taken over the years has shown both.
Pete
Very little if any
On a trunk lid related question - were there any factory markings on the underside of the trunk lid, like chalk marks indicating assembly dates?
Sometimes inspectors wrote their initials, but generally speaking no
Original decklid , very slight pebble texture
(https://www.saac.com/forum/gallery/8-131125163344.jpeg)
Couple more views of the underside of the outer surface of the trunk lid
Convertible
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/21/6-131125191751-214461439.jpeg)
Fastback
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/21/6-131125191751-214461872.jpeg)
It appears everything has texture, mine is extremely smooth no texture, now I'm concerned the decklid isn't original. Has anyone observed any that are smooth?
Pete
Looking at the pictures you posted it appears someone may have sanded the texture smooth and then repainted it. Takes some time and effort to accomplish, plus some high build primer. Would need to see it in person to confirm--a paint thickness gauge will not work on fiberglass as they are magnetic. Also if it fits the car properly it could be an original part. If you can compare closely with a car that is 100% original it would help you see details to confirm. Hope this helps.
R.R.
It would sure take a lot of sanding to take the pebble texture out and get the surface that smooth. To me that smoothness is a red flag if thinking it is genuine.
Quote from: cob428 on November 13, 2025, 09:35:43 PMIt appears everything has texture, mine is extremely smooth no texture, now I'm concerned the decklid isn't original. Has anyone observed any that are smooth?
Pete
Pete just as an additional thing to think about but the trunk lid itself is a greater issue.
Why do you think yours has (second picture) a C8 Cougar jack instruction sticker?
Back to the surface/texture issue
Quote from: cob428 on November 13, 2025, 09:35:43 PMIt appears everything has texture, mine is extremely smooth no texture, now I'm concerned the decklid isn't original. Has anyone observed any that are smooth?
Pete
Pete for something to consider later - after all the texture issues.
Ever wonder why your restored car has (second picture) a C8 Cougar jack instruction sticker?
Back to the surface/texture issue
Quote from: J_Speegle on November 13, 2025, 10:48:44 PMQuote from: cob428 on November 13, 2025, 09:35:43 PMIt appears everything has texture, mine is extremely smooth no texture, now I'm concerned the decklid isn't original. Has anyone observed any that are smooth?
Pete
Pete just as an additional thing to think about but the trunk lid itself is a greater issue.
Why do you think yours has (second picture) a C8 Cougar jack instruction sticker?
The first picture is my reaction to this. And the second one is the guy that did it. And the third one is because he didn't get what's in the third one.
Cat Man Roy
Ok so we, I determined the decklid is probably incorrect. Jeff you had stated that I had the "cougar" instructions decal. But, when I look at other posts on SAAC website there are some "original cars" that have the same decal. So what is the correct decal? When I researched with ECS that is what they've listed for 69 C8WB-17093-B They also have one listed without space saver and it is a C9ZB-17093-A. Do you have any pics on an unrestored?
The orange lid I posted is unrestored. The picture on the C9WB decal is a Cougar body
Ok thanks Pete, so they didn't use a space saver decal. I put that on in 1994, based on the space saver, another project to make correct. Thank you all for your expertise.
Pete
Quote from: Coralsnake on November 14, 2025, 08:17:02 AMThe orange lid I posted is unrestored. The picture on the C9WB decal is a Cougar body
That is the one. It is typically a Cougar in the illustration. I always refer to it as the one showing the pad between the jack and the space saver.
Quote from: Coralsnake on November 14, 2025, 08:17:02 AMThe orange lid I posted is unrestored. The picture on the C9WB decal is a Cougar body
NOTE: added a bit after comparing each again
In reply #5 is also an original sticker from a 69 Shelby. If you take notice all 69 jack instructions have an illustration that shows what looks to be a Cougar quarter panel (ADDED: its sort of the same shape but with different body lines. Sure is a long quarter for a Mustang IMO) on certain versions has Mustang front fenders, head light buckets and front bumpers. Unlike the example cob428 posted with the Cougar front end. Guess for the illustrator it was just a short cut (ADDED: by using a similar shape).
In the picture below you can compare the upper left jack instruction decal from one of the unrestored 69 Shelby examples I have, with the lower right (C9WB-B) with the space saver from a Mustang I have on file. Notice the differences in the illustration. Sorry for the poor picture (didn't take the time to go back through all the pictures to find a better one at this moment) but you can still see the difference. Of course there are numerous other differences - just focusing on the "Mustang" verses "Cougar" reference I made above.
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/21/6-141125151308-21449454.jpeg)
As far as application and usage I've got two different versions that show up on original 69's but the majority are the ones Bob pointed out with the pad in the illustration. It appears IMO that some or all of the early cars got an earlier version of the jack instructions.
Quote from: J_Speegle on November 14, 2025, 03:15:16 PMQuote from: Coralsnake on November 14, 2025, 08:17:02 AMThe orange lid I posted is unrestored. The picture on the C9WB decal is a Cougar body
In reply #5 is also an original sticker from a 69 Shelby. If you take notice all 69 jack instructions have an illustration that shows what looks to be a Cougar quarter panel but on certain versions has Mustang front fenders, head light buckets and front bumpers. Unlike the example cob428 posted with the Cougar front end. Guess for the illustrator it was just a short cut.
In the picture below you can compare the upper left jack instruction decal from one of the unrestored 69 Shelby examples I have, with the lower right (C9WB-B) with the space saver from a Mustang I have on file. Notice the differences in the illustration. Sorry for the poor picture (didn't take the time to go back through all the pictures to find a better one at this moment) but you can still see the difference. Of course there are numerous other differences - just focusing on the "Mustang" verses "Cougar" reference I made above.
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/21/6-141125151308-21449454.jpeg)
As far as application and usage I've got two different versions that show up on original 69's but the majority are the ones Bob pointed out with the pad in the illustration. It appears IMO that some or all of the early cars got an earlier version of the jack instructions.
Mr Speegle in essence depending on your vehicles production date, either could be correct.
Specifically in a concours event.
Quote from: J_Speegle on November 14, 2025, 03:15:16 PMQuote from: Coralsnake on November 14, 2025, 08:17:02 AMThe orange lid I posted is unrestored. The picture on the C9WB decal is a Cougar body
In reply #5 is also an original sticker from a 69 Shelby. If you take notice all 69 jack instructions have an illustration that shows what looks to be a Cougar quarter panel but on certain versions has Mustang front fenders, head light buckets and front bumpers. Unlike the example cob428 posted with the Cougar front end. Guess for the illustrator it was just a short cut.
In the picture below you can compare the upper left jack instruction decal from one of the unrestored 69 Shelby examples I have, with the lower right (C9WB-B) with the space saver from a Mustang I have on file. Notice the differences in the illustration. Sorry for the poor picture (didn't take the time to go back through all the pictures to find a better one at this moment) but you can still see the difference. Of course there are numerous other differences - just focusing on the "Mustang" verses "Cougar" reference I made above.
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/21/6-141125151308-21449454.jpeg)
As far as application and usage I've got two different versions that show up on original 69's but the majority are the ones Bob pointed out with the pad in the illustration. It appears IMO that some or all of the early cars got an earlier version of the jack instructions.
A 1967 Mustang at that. No Fender Marker Light.
Quote from: tesgt350 on November 14, 2025, 04:35:51 PMA 1967 Mustang at that. No Fender Marker Light.
I doubt that the illustrators instructions was to capture details to that level. Kind of like the shop manuals that were often put together before the cars were produced and the use of generic drawings or pictures from other manuals to provide the basics. Do take notice that when compare like above the two quarter panels are not exact copies (one has an additional Cougar like body line) but both are drawn longer than one for a Mustang would be so again not exact representations at all and both served the purpose for the owner.
Quote from: J_Speegle on November 14, 2025, 04:51:29 PMI doubt that the illustrators instructions was to capture details to that level. Kind of like the shop manuals that were often put together before the cars were produced and the use of generic drawings or pictures from other manuals to provide the basics. Do take notice that when compare like above the two quarter panels are not exact copies (one has an additional Cougar like body line) but both are drawn longer than one for a Mustang would be so again not exact representations at all and both served the purpose for the owner.
Now that makes sense now
Thanks