Has anyone ever seen the rear lace without the bright edge? I just purchased this original paint car and the lace appears to be original and untouched. But it's all black.
The car looks very nice. I have not seen that before. Maybe some others have?
More pictures please
Quote from: Shelbytatro on August 21, 2025, 10:15:52 PMHas anyone ever seen the rear lace without the bright edge? I just purchased this original paint car and the lace appears to be original and untouched. But it's all black.
Curious, did you buy this car out of Texas?
Bill, yes this is the car that was posted on FB marketplace in Texas. I was the lucky guy to be there first with a trailer and cash!
Pete here are some more details
And a few more.
Yes we have seen it without the chrome
But it turned out to be that the previous owner had taken it off
Best of luck with your project
Quote from: Shelbytatro on August 21, 2025, 10:15:52 PMHas anyone ever seen the rear lace without the bright edge? I just purchased this original paint car and the lace appears to be original and untouched. But it's all black.
The trim is painted black in the picture not taken off. Back in the day when replacement trim was not available it was typical to paint trim ,repaint the lace and and trim reinstall rather then leave a pitted part on a otherwise restored surroundings. Given that there is no credible evidence that black trim was ever done at the factory I can only assume that the restorer was not aware of how to obtain the rear lace panels that have been available for at least 35 years .
Quote from: Bob Gaines on August 22, 2025, 10:15:44 AMQuote from: Shelbytatro on August 21, 2025, 10:15:52 PMHas anyone ever seen the rear lace without the bright edge? I just purchased this original paint car and the lace appears to be original and untouched. But it's all black.
The trim is painted black in the picture not taken off. Back in the day when replacement trim was not available it was typical to paint trim ,repaint the lace and and trim reinstall rather then leave a pitted part on a otherwise restored surroundings. Given that there is no credible evidence that black trim was ever done at the factory I can only assume that the restorer was not aware of how to obtain the rear lace panels that have been available for at least 35 years .
It seems to me, 10 years ago detail was yesterday, 35 years ago was last week. I don't like today's update. It means I have to take it all apart AGAIN and redo it AGAIN.
My parts wear out from just updating details.
Bob, the car has never been restored. Well documented history other than the first original owner. The car has original paint on all but the passenger rear quarter. I'm asking because the car is SO original and untouched. It is very possibly painted by the original owner. Or replaced when the quarter was painted. But, it has been like this a very long time, like the late '70s when it was obtained by the second owner.
Since we dont have other examples, I feel its unlikely that it is a factory thing.
Thanks Pete. Because the car is so original I wanted to be sure before I changed it. If there had been a few others, I would be comfortable leaving it alone. But knowing it's been changed I'll likely redo them.
Quote from: Shelbytatro on August 22, 2025, 01:21:10 PMThanks Pete. Because the car is so original I wanted to be sure before I changed it. If there had been a few others, I would be comfortable leaving it alone. But knowing it's been changed I'll likely redo them.
Exceptionally well purchased, as a retired bodyshop owner, I'm going out (not far) on a limb and say that the rear trim panels have been off the car in the past, for what reason is anyones guess. I'd say one came loose and the owner at the time pulled them all off to clean up and reinstall "forever". Disregard the fellow saying that people take the chrome trim off, that is a fallacy not worth repeating in public ever again. Bob touched on the painting of the trim, and I concur in this case as I've seen that a number of times since 1981 and beyond.
tailpaneltrim.jpg
Bill
I believe the Chrome is still on there (see Photo).
just got off the phone with Mike, yup Mike from Miami and he says that one of his 1970 cars does not have the trim also.
but could not say that the rear trim panels have been off the car in the past, for what reason who knows
what a conundrum this is
Quote from: tesgt350 on August 22, 2025, 02:37:47 PMI believe the Chrome is still on there (see Photo).
It is, but is painted black in the OP's pictures, as his whole trim panel has been in the past.
If the chrome had been removed, the mesh and the backing would come apart, as the chrome trim is what holds it together using a sandwich construction technique.
Bill
PS: With the very limited pictures I saw posted on the 69/70 Facebook page, I'd say the car is not all original, but original to a point. Additional pictures (there or here) will be needed to ascertain just how original...
Quote from: tesgt350 on August 22, 2025, 02:37:47 PMI believe the Chrome is still on there (see Photo).
If you choose to read reply #7 you will see that I said they had been painted. If you take the polished aluminum (not chrome) trim off there is nothing to hold the lace to the backing panel. The aluminum trim corrodes over time and after sanding smooth painting provides an inexpensive solution although not factory.
Talked to Todd, he understands whats going on.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on August 22, 2025, 04:47:42 PMIf you choose to read reply #7 you will see that I said they had been painted. If you take the polished aluminum (not chrome) trim off there is nothing to hold the lace to the backing panel. The aluminum trim corrodes over time and after sanding smooth painting provides an inexpensive solution although not factory.
precisely what we did, paint it
we found the replicas plastoc trim pieces are not the same
so we painted the originals and reused them
Quote from: Coralsnake on August 22, 2025, 05:15:32 PMTalked to Todd, he understands whats going on.
Have been conversing off line well ;)
There were also a couple of different mesh variations from Ford back in the day... ;)
TOB
another interesting factoid on painting this piece
before painting we spoke to a friend who has a paint and body shop, he advised us although it was a simple job, it is challenging
he said you had to prepare plastic for painting without sanding, you must thoroughly clean it with soap and hot water to remove dirt and oils.
we actually used a degreaser, then washed it with isopropyl alcohol to remove non-water-soluble contaminants, followed by a wax and grease remover.
the last step was to apply a plastic-specific adhesion promoter or self-etching primer to create a surface the paint can chemically bond to the plastic.
he was right, so the last steps, we gave it to him to spray
Shelbytatro, I see you are building a new garage and I thought I would offer a few suggestions because I went through this a few years ago. Put in a lot of outlets because it's cheaper to do it now but can be expensive later. Also put in a lot of lights. I have 14 4ft ones hanging from the ceiling with half on one switch and half on the other. Now is the time to epoxy the floor while it's fresh. I've used rustoleum on 4 different garages and it's pretty good. My wife and I did the epoxy coating on 2300 square feet of our current garage and painted a blue stripe all the way around. Here's a link to my youtube channel:
https://youtube.com/@royrichards4142?si=k8r4i_8BbYuNFUn3
Just click on videos and the first one is a slideshow of the building of it. There's a similar one way down below also. If you click on the one showing a white 65 Impala that one is a walk through after we got most of the stuff moved in. If you have any questions just ask. Also put in good insulation. We have R30 in the ceiling and R19 in the walls.
Roy
Quote from: FL SAAC on August 23, 2025, 02:40:33 AManother interesting factoid on painting this piece
before painting we spoke to a friend who has a paint and body shop, he advised us although it was a simple job, it is challenging
he said you had to prepare plastic for painting without sanding, you must thoroughly clean it with soap and hot water to remove dirt and oils.
we actually used a degreaser, then washed it with isopropyl alcohol to remove non-water-soluble contaminants, followed by a wax and grease remover.
the last step was to apply a plastic-specific adhesion promoter or self-etching primer to create a surface the paint can chemically bond to the plastic.
he was right, so the last steps, we gave it to him to spray
Although apparently well intentioned your factoid is false. To clarify for others reading the lace mesh,outer trim and inner backing plate are all metal not plastic.
Well played Mr Gaines
Siegfried you are correct, our sincerest apologies. The plastic piece was a aftermarket piece we had on one of our cars. Our eternal thanks on the correction.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on August 23, 2025, 01:17:33 PMQuote from: FL SAAC on August 23, 2025, 02:40:33 AManother interesting factoid on painting this piece
before painting we spoke to a friend who has a paint and body shop, he advised us although it was a simple job, it is challenging
he said you had to prepare plastic for painting without sanding, you must thoroughly clean it with soap and hot water to remove dirt and oils.
we actually used a degreaser, then washed it with isopropyl alcohol to remove non-water-soluble contaminants, followed by a wax and grease remover.
the last step was to apply a plastic-specific adhesion promoter or self-etching primer to create a surface the paint can chemically bond to the plastic.
he was right, so the last steps, we gave it to him to spray
Although apparently well intentioned your factoid is false. To clarify for others reading the lace mesh,outer trim and inner backing plate are all metal not plastic.
my center piece is a little loose, what is used to attach?
Quote from: Rosco on August 23, 2025, 09:34:51 PMmy center piece is a little loose, what is used to attach?
Originally double sided tape. The double side tape strip typically stays stuck to the metal backing plate of the lace section and comes loose from the fiberglass. Rather then risk bending the panel while trying to remove the double sided tape I use a thin layer of clear silicone applied to the unstuck tape and hold to the fiberglass with blue tape until the silicone sets. Once it sets up it will be at least as strong as the double sided tape was when first installed.
Quote from: Rosco on August 23, 2025, 09:34:51 PMmy center piece is a little loose, what is used to attach?
The 3 piece assembly itself (original or reproduction they are the same style of 3 piece construction), or the assembly to the rear trunk lid?
To put the three pieces back together, I've used 3M Emblem adhesive (clear) 0361. To install on the trunk panel, I've used a black 3M weatherstrip adhesive 08008. The trick for both is to not get them within an inch of the edge, so that it cannot be seen when installed.
Hope you find this helpful.
Bill
Looks like this car does not have chrome trim and is being called a Survivor car.....
Car 1291
Here is the Marti on it
Quote from: SCJSTU on August 25, 2025, 07:10:44 AMLooks like this car does not have chrome trim and is being called a Survivor car.....
Car 1291
Betting that if you got a close look, you would see the chrome trim with black spray paint that was used to "freshen up" that taillight trim.
Bill