I have located a Raven Black 68 KR Shelby number 2591. I have many questions about this car as the inner fender does not match the Ford number. Other than that, it's a beautiful car. It is listed in the Registry. I have tried to contact the last owner, a Donald Pealer in Virginia with no success. My dilemma is that he may still own it and I'm not sure what I will be potentially buying. At this point and time, I'm going to assume it's a clone, but I really would like to explain the Tags on the car including the Shelby fender tag, door tag and dash tag. Any information would greatly be appreciated. I can supply my phone number if needed. Thanks Dan
Contact the registrar. Send him photos of tags, VIN, etc. You can even post them here for comments from the peanut gallery.
For the kids: A peanut gallery was, in the days of vaudeville, a nickname for the cheapest and ostensibly rowdiest seats in the theater
Excellent that you checked all that. Don't drop any cash until you have all the right answers.
Please explain inner fender does not match
PS the implication that because a car is in the registry , it is real
Thats not the case
Quote from: sc4248 on June 05, 2025, 11:43:28 AMI have located a Raven Black 68 KR Shelby number 2591. I have many questions about this car as the inner fender does not match the Ford number. Other than that, it's a beautiful car. It is listed in the Registry. I have tried to contact the last owner, a Donald Pealer in Virginia with no success. My dilemma is that he may still own it and I'm not sure what I will be potentially buying. At this point and time, I'm going to assume it's a clone, but I really would like to explain the Tags on the car including the Shelby fender tag, door tag and dash tag. Any information would greatly be appreciated. I can supply my phone number if needed. Thanks Dan
Dan,
For someone who specializes in Chevy's you seem to run across a bunch of questionable shelby products :D
Anyway, the 68 Shelby registrar contact information is below. He will be your best bet in regards to current information on the car.
As for your statement of the inner fender numbers not matching, that is your first clue that the car may not be what you or the seller believes it is. No matter how clean and shiny it it. Give that information to Vinny below as well.
'68 Shelby Registrar
Vincent Liska: 68registrar@saac.com
Dan
I do not have any info on that car, but a few questions to consider on the fender apron(s) VIN. First is there a second VIN on the passenger side apron? Some 68's have them some don't. If yes do they match? Is the apron VIN way off? Ford/UAW workers did made mistakes but on VIN mistakes that I have seen most of the VIN info is correct. Is Just the engine # (R) missing (left out with a blank space)? If so that is fairly common on 68 big block Metuchen built cars.I hope someone here has some answers for you. Proceed with great caution.
Rodney
Quote from: KR500 on June 05, 2025, 12:40:52 PMDan
I do not have any info on that car, but a few questions to consider on the fender apron(s) VIN. First is there a second VIN on the passenger side apron? Some 68's have them some don't. If yes do they match? Is the apron VIN way off? Ford/UAW workers did made mistakes but on VIN mistakes that I have seen most of the VIN info is correct. Is Just the engine # (R) missing (left out with a blank space)? If so that is fairly common on 68 big block Metuchen built cars.I hope someone here has some answers for you. Proceed with great caution.
Rodney
My Jan 68 built does not have a fender apron stamp on the pass side and on the DS the 'T" and the last digit(number) isn't visible in the apron. My car is a real one owner original paint car with the original aprons on it. Partial vin on the head and I cannot find a vin on my "S" trans which of course was only available in a GT500 BUT I have not cleaned it up fully yet to see if it is stamped somewhere else. Trans is original to the car. Never replaced. I knew the original owner and his nephew is a good friend of mine who used to play in the car when he was a kid. Metuchin sucked when it came to stamping. I have the original dash tag(never off) fender tag, buck tag and door tag all which were still mounted when I bought the car. All sheet metal date codes I have found are correct for the car.
Quote from: sc4248 on June 05, 2025, 11:43:28 AMI have located a Raven Black 68 KR Shelby number 2591. I have many questions about this car as the inner fender does not match the Ford number. Other than that, it's a beautiful car. It is listed in the Registry. I have tried to contact the last owner, a Donald Pealer in Virginia with no success. My dilemma is that he may still own it and I'm not sure what I will be potentially buying. At this point and time, I'm going to assume it's a clone, but I really would like to explain the Tags on the car including the Shelby fender tag, door tag and dash tag. Any information would greatly be appreciated. I can supply my phone number if needed. Thanks Dan
My KR #3070 is missing the R on the DS inner fender vin stamping
If you were confused before, just wait until this thread ends....
Well the "Howdy Doody Show" had a Peanut Gallery and was friendlier then the Andy Divine show who had "Frogy" and would leave the set in a cloud of smoke by plucking his magic twanger.
Sometimes here I wished some would?
The underhood VIN is correct, buck tag is reproduction...
Make sure the owner has good title be the car a real Shelby or a clone. Take note of the 65 Shelby stolen and returned to the true owner after 25 years that is the subject of this embedded video. Caveat emptor.
UPDATE after comments. The inner fender number is completely different. In fact, it is a C code engine code. I do have the printout from the registry and that is why I mentioned David Peeler. I have tried to get in touch with him to find out his relationship with the car. If he still owns it or has sold it. Questionable Shelbys??? I don't know about that, I have had and still search out Shelbys. Just bought a KR that has been sitting since 82. I have had several clones as well but was well aware what I was buying and selling. Chevys lol. I'm smart enough to own old Fords of all flavors (Cammers, Fairlanes, Mustangs, Galaxies, etc.) but also smart enough to race Chevrolets in today's world. I'll reach out to Coralsnake. Thanks all.
If there is a "c" code vin under the Shelby tag run away.
Its unlikely any previous owners are going to come clean
I don't mind buying it as a clone at a clone price.
Back in the early 80's I owned "TALLAHASSEE MUSTANG'S" where I parted out 65-73 Mustangs. Several times I sold the complete inner structure from the Shock Towers Forward to Body Shops repairing Mustangs that were Pole Shots. When they were done, you couldn't tell they replaced any of it, could that have happened here?
With the evidence provided, it would seem that it has definitely suffered a frontal paralysis at one point in its life
Some what similar to this victim here
r.i.p.
No indication of damage- purely speculation
Before this thread spirals out of control any more let me add some info. I know the car and have worked on it. Don Peeler still owned it last I knew. I also know previous owner Tim Brillhart. Car was entered in SAAC concours judging in mid 2000's and did not receive any award. Rodney, you, Gary and Mike judged it. Original poster, contact me directly and I can probably clear any mystery up for you as well as put you in touch with Don
TimothyLea7@gmail.com
My number is 785 250 6457. Please pm me a contact number. TY
Email addresses in my reply.
Quote from: sc4248 on June 05, 2025, 11:37:52 PMI don't mind buying it as a clone at a clone price.
If it's titled with a Shelby VIN and it has a normal Mustang VIN on the unibody it's not a clone it's fraud and the cops can scoop it up when they become aware of the VIN tampering. Basically there are 2 cars with the same VIN and one will end up being seized and scrapped.
Doing my due diligence now
Don still has the correct car.
BEWARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This problem has happened before with this car, I know current and past owner.
Please send pictures
Quote from: Cobrask8 on June 06, 2025, 12:23:27 PMDon still has the correct car.
BEWARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This problem has happened before with this car, I know current and past owner.
Case closed
All that have knowledge of this particular situation
It is your responsibility to immediately involve and inform law enforcement of this vehicle
What # is on the dash vin
Quote from: FL SAAC on June 06, 2025, 01:22:17 PMIt is your responsibility to immediately involve and inform law enforcement of this vehicle
At this point he has no skin in the game. He would be the informant that could possibly need to testify in court. There could be 2 possible outcomes for a buyer. The car is seized if VIN tampering is uncovered during an inspection to register the car in another state. The owner pays "real" Shelby price for a fake car. In both of these the recourse for the buyer is to sue the seller for his money back - a long and expensive process. Best to walk away.
Now if I were the owner of the REAL car I would be contacting the PD and DMV where the car is located to advise them of the fraud - protecting the value of his car is vital to him. Emailing a scan of the title and photo of the real car and VIN to the PD should be all that is needed.
Quote from: TLea on June 06, 2025, 09:36:37 AMBefore this thread spirals out of control any more let me add some info. I know the car and have worked on it. Don Peeler still owned it last I knew. I also know previous owner Tim Brillhart. Car was entered in SAAC concours judging in mid 2000's and did not receive any award. Rodney, you, Gary and Mike judged it. Original poster, contact me directly and I can probably clear any mystery up for you as well as put you in touch with Don
TimothyLea7@gmail.com
Tim
This car (owner name) sounded vaguely familiar, but I don't recall much about of it now. They all start to blend together these days.
I miss Gary. He was a rare gem.
Quote from: Coralsnake on June 06, 2025, 05:18:37 PMI miss Gary. He was a rare gem.
+1.Truly one in a billion. Thinking of him makes me laugh, oh the story's I could tell.
I recall going to Virginia with a friend. Gary called me at the last minute looking for a room. We let him be the third wheel. He slept on a roll away bed. My buddy picked on Gary the whole weekend. I thought, "Oh well, that didnt go well"
At the end of the weekend, Gary said " thats the most fun Ive had at a convention!"
...and then there was the clean suit...
Yep. Yes I hadn't thought of him in a awhile but since his name was mentioned I too can't help but smile thinking of him. He was quite a character in a good way.
Quote from: Coralsnake on June 06, 2025, 07:29:34 PM...and then there was the clean suit...
And why did no one ever get a picture of him in one of those. IF one is out there post here or start a new thread. ::)
Dan,
I still own the Raven Black KR "02591" and rest assured have no intention of selling it while of sound mind and body. I'm having too much fun in making it factory/period correct as well as driving it on weekends and showing up for AACA events and Carlisle Ford Nationals.
02591 still runs on Turbo Blue 110 leaded racing fuel and rides the road on its bias-ply tires.
In fact, it was at the Carlisle Ford Nationals today in category G306 Shelby "King of the Road" and will be there tomorrow.
How have you attempted to reach out to me-email or social media? I don't recall receiving any inquiry. In fact, it was Tim Lea and Tim Brillhart (previous owner) that brought your inquiry to my attention and the fact that a clone sale advertisement is citing my KR's SUN.
Great to hear you put your inquiry on the SAAC Forum for verification!
All the best in your search for a legitimate KR!
Sincerely,
Don Pealer
Case closed
I'm telling ya fellas, that guy on answer # 25 said it the best CASE CLOSED
Quote from: TLea on June 06, 2025, 11:59:05 PMCase closed
Quote from: FL SAAC on June 06, 2025, 01:22:17 PMQuote from: Cobrask8 on June 06, 2025, 12:23:27 PMDon still has the correct car.
BEWARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This problem has happened before with this car, I know current and past owner.
Case closed
All that have knowledge of this particular situation
It is your responsibility to immediately involve and inform law enforcement of this vehicle
Then the owner shows up and gives his testimonial
Case Closed !
Quote from: SUN02591 on June 06, 2025, 10:50:45 PMDan,
I still own the Raven Black KR "02591" and rest assured have no intention of selling it while of sound mind and body. I'm having too much fun in making it factory/period correct as well as driving it on weekends and showing up for AACA events and Carlisle Ford Nationals.
02591 still runs on Turbo Blue 110 leaded racing fuel and rides the road on its bias-ply tires.
In fact, it was at the Carlisle Ford Nationals today in category G306 Shelby "King of the Road" and will be there tomorrow.
How have you attempted to reach out to me-email or social media? I don't recall receiving any inquiry. In fact, it was Tim Lea and Tim Brillhart (previous owner) that brought your inquiry to my attention and the fact that a clone sale advertisement is citing my KR's SUN.
Great to hear you put your inquiry on the SAAC Forum for verification!
All the best in your search for a legitimate KR!
Sincerely,
Don Pealer
The owner shows up because he was alerted that someone was trying to pass off his car and was notified. The strength of the Forum
Quote from: SUN02591 on June 06, 2025, 10:50:45 PMI still own the Raven Black KR "02591" and rest assured have no intention of selling it while of sound mind and body. I'm having too much fun in making it factory/period correct as well as driving it on weekends and showing up for AACA events and Carlisle Ford Nationals.
It was great meeting you yesterday, Don. Truly a beautiful car!
Hopefully I can get mine out there in the next few years.
Quote from: SUN02591 on June 06, 2025, 10:50:45 PMDan,
I still own the Raven Black KR "02591" and rest assured have no intention of selling it while of sound mind and body. I'm having too much fun in making it factory/period correct as well as driving it on weekends and showing up for AACA events and Carlisle Ford Nationals.
02591 still runs on Turbo Blue 110 leaded racing fuel and rides the road on its bias-ply tires.
In fact, it was at the Carlisle Ford Nationals today in category G306 Shelby "King of the Road" and will be there tomorrow.
How have you attempted to reach out to me-email or social media? I don't recall receiving any inquiry. In fact, it was Tim Lea and Tim Brillhart (previous owner) that brought your inquiry to my attention and the fact that a clone sale advertisement is citing my KR's SUN.
Great to hear you put your inquiry on the SAAC Forum for verification!
All the best in your search for a legitimate KR!
Sincerely,
Don Pealer
Don I'm not looking to buy your car. I have attempted to contact you through Facebook messenger with no success. I have found a car in my hometown exactly like yours including the VIN (Shelby plate, window and buck tag) numbers. I have pictures and names. I think it would be worthwhile to contact me. Please others I have nothing but good intentions to handle this is an appropriate way. Let Don contact me, and we will determine what to do. If you know Don have him contact me please. Dan Bain 785 250 6457