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SHELBY AMERICAN AUTOMOBILE CLUB FOUNDING MEMBER RICK KOPEC STEPS AWAY AFTER 50 YEARS OF SERVICE

WALLINGFORD, CT – After 50 years of service to the Shelby American Automobile Club, SAAC today announced that founding father Rick Kopec has stepped down from his position effective immediately. Kopec has served as Director Emeritus since 2010 and Editor of SAAC's quarterly magazine "The Shelby American."

Kopec was one of the founders of SAAC in 1975. His contributions to the club are unmatched and helped pave the way for future generations of Shelby owners.  His interest in the history of Carroll Shelby's cars served as the foundation of the SAAC Registries, which have been published since 1982. The Registries, compiled and maintained by the SAAC Registrars, are the definitive history and authenticity of the cars of Shelby American. Rick has been a close friend to many in SAAC and while he will be missed, his countless contributions will never be forgotten.

"After 50 incredible years of unwavering dedication Rick served an integral role in defining the club" stated David Maffucci, SAAC board member. "Rick's enthusiasm for Shelby American cars and our club helped bring together thousands of those who share the same passion.", Maffucci concluded.

Hope all is well with Mr Kopec. His contributions have been legendary.

Thank you Sir

Thanks for keeping us rev'd-up and running.  Hope all is well

Rick you have been a positive inspiration to all. Thank you sir for all that you have done. 

Rick,

   Thank you for your service, and thank you for your service.


Bill

Thank you Rick, Your dedication to SAAC and tireless automotive exuberance is legendary. Guys like you never really retire.

Wait a minute!  April 1st was just a few days ago. Since Rick is truly World-renowned for his classic spoofs, is this his best yet?  I hope so because SAAC will not be the same without his ham-fisted hands on the wheel!

Enjoy your retirement!

I'll go with a blanket "+1" on all of the posts above

Job #1 is complete....thank you for your service to SAAC and our Country

Fifty years of this day in and day out.just an incredible achievement. Ricks path in life and his ideas and writings have created such an amazing journey for all of us. His tireless contributions to this hobby are priceless. I could go on and on but let me just say, Thank you Rick and Colleen Kopec. I truly am eternally grateful to the both of you.

50 years, like a rock.

Gonna' miss ya' a long, long time.

Thanks for bein' you.

 :'(

SAAC will not be the same without his leadership and writing. The founders of SAAC are the reason these cars were brought back from obscurity and hold their place in collectors hearts today.
Rick was the face of SAAC since day one. Go back to the mid 70s and you'll see his hand in 90% of the mainstream articles promoting the preservation and authentication of SA products. He was able to talk CS out of retirement and get him to visit SAAC1 in Oakland - the rest is as they say history. I'll even go so far as to say that SA and the Shelbys built by Ford in the last 20 years would not exist today if not for his efforts that have kept the early cars and their influence in 1960s racing in the public eye.
I'm looking forward to his book on the 50 years of SAAC - as well as Bad Moon Rising.
Hopefully SAAC presents him a gold watch on his retirement.
SAAC50 will be a far different event without our patriarch Rick, & Colleen.

Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on April 16, 2025, 04:20:10 PMSAAC will not be the same without his leadership and writing. The founders of SAAC are the reason these cars were brought back from obscurity and hold their place in collectors hearts today.
Rick was the face of SAAC since day one. Go back to the mid 70s and you'll see his hand in 90% of the mainstream articles promoting the preservation and authentication of SA products. He was able to talk CS out of retirement and get him to visit SAAC1 in Oakland - the rest is as they say history. I'll even go so far as to say that SA and the Shelbys built by Ford in the last 20 years would not exist today if not for his efforts that have kept the early cars and their influence in 1960s racing in the public eye.
I'm looking forward to his book on the 50 years of SAAC - as well as Bad Moon Rising.
Hopefully SAAC presents him a gold watch on his retirement.
SAAC50 will be a far different event without our patriarch Rick, & Colleen.

Well said. Such a legacy. Best wishes Rick

It has been said that the best time to leave the stage is while the audience is still applauding.  This audience will never stop applauding for the leadership and tireless disemmination of knowledge of the legendary cars, events and people that have made SAAC an outstanding organization. It is my hope that Rick and Colleen will still attend SAAC events when possible and Rick will be available as a guest speaker.  I am sure it was a challenging decision to have him put away his driving shoes and lay down his golden pen. We wish him all the best in his retirement without conflicts and deadlines. To all he has accomplished, well done of you, sir. 8)

  Rick, and Coleen, thank you for all the years, of keeping the Shelby flame alive.
  A job exceptionally well done! Enjoy your retirement, it is well deserved.


  Doug

The 26 letters of the alphabet cannot create a word to describe the contributions of Rick and Collen Kopec to keeping SAAC and all things Shelby alive for the rest of us. With a mighty bow, and a tip of the hat, we all wish you the best of whatever life brings you.

A visionary and leadership legacy worthy of the marque!
Well done!!

Rick and Colleen have carried the Shelby torch thru thick and thin. We have them to thank for all of our friendships thru the years . Congrats on this milestone and enjoy  the time away !



Phil

Thanks for everything you did Rick and it was a lot. You helped make my life very exciting.

After I bought 6S1757 in June 1987, the first thing I did was join SAAC and fire off a letter to SAAC HQ with a bunch of questions. The reply from Rick came about as quick as possible via the USPS. The letter started with "As for your questions, please don't be put off if I'm brief but I have a lot of stuff on my desk and not enough time to do it all justice". He then proceeded to write (hand type) a 2-page letter completely answering each question. I wonder how long the letter would have been if he hadn't needed to be "brief". And that was just the first of many letters.

Thank you Rick for EVERYTHING!

Dave 

Thank you Rick. I wish you a very good time and a relaxed retirement. Spend your time now with some other things that maybe came to short in the last 50 Years. Have a wonderful time.

Rick and Colleen, coming down from Canada going to SAAC 5 in Dearborn was a life changing event for me. And it's been to most fun every year since.

What a legacy you leave.

Kim and Lisa

  To the Kopecs, First and foremost a HUGE THANK YOU for 50 great years!!
The fun and friendships built through each years convention are lifetime memories.
Hope retirement is good to you as it is well deserved. Thanks for preserving this important part of history for everyone to enjoy,the articles and books are amazing work and show the
Extreme dedication you have to all things Shelby related. All the best for good health and
Happy days in the future!!
Anthony aka Road Reptile   8)

RICK  thanks for serving our country AND serving SAAC for 50 years as always enjoyed reading your interesting articles and hope u can make it to SAAC 50 convention as i think it will be a good one as i been telling many people and they are making a vacation out of the trip since so much to see and do in that part of california and monterey car week is just before saac 50 and a short drive south.

Thank you to the Kopecs for all you've done over the years. I've enjoyed SAAC so much since joining in 1981

It's been an honor to be with both of you on this Shelby Adventure
and all the memories you have allowed us enjoy.
Thru all your hard work you have created an army of followers that will "Keep the Legend Alive".

Thank you for everything SAAC

Mike and Harriet

Wow ! I was there when it all started. Those were the days.  Lots of good times. 50 years  8) Rick enjoy your retirement ... Hint... I worked more after I retired  ::)

Dan McDonald

I miss you already! Thanks for making Shelby automobiles so popular.

Rick should be getting a commission on every Shelby product sale.

Quick Rick story:

At Indy during SAAC19, Rick was there directing traffic (like he had nothing else to do) and I told him how much my kids enjoyed the lunch time parade laps on track days.  When I stated that my 20-month-old son fell asleep in his car seat during the lap, without hesitation Rick said, "must have been going too slow" and waived us on.  We still own that Shelby after 43+ years.

Thanks to Rick and Colleen, Joe

"Be proud of the work you have done, the people you are, and the difference you have made."

Quote from: WT6066-2600 on April 17, 2025, 05:46:37 PMAt Indy during SAAC19, Rick was there directing traffic I told him how much my kids enjoyed the lunch time parade laps on track days. 

We were at Indy and I took our grandson out for parade laps. When we got back Rick made sure that he called his mom to tell her. You could hear the "let me talk to your grandfather" in the whole tent. I explained that he was in his booster seat and I did keep it under 100 (just because the Mopar ahead of us was slow). Finally reminding her she did the same laps at Laguna Seca when she was his age shut her up - Thanks Rick......
Rick & Colleen came to SoCal one time and decided to hit Disneyland. My wife and daughter went with them. When they arrived Rick told our daughter she was to be the guide and turned to her mom and said - you are not her mom today she can do whatever she wants... It did end well.

Thank you Rick and Colleen for all the service over the years. 

Thanks Rick for fighting CS's takeover attempt and allowing SAAC to survive and support our old cars.

Thanks for the ride Rick, you made the drive quite enjoyable.
But one last question do we still need to wear Hawaiian shirts at the SAAC dinners ?

Thanks for everything you've done Rick.  It was an honor to meet you at SAAC 43, Sonoma.

QSS

Quote from: csxsfm on April 17, 2025, 10:43:51 PMThanks Rick for fighting CS's takeover attempt and allowing SAAC to survive and support our old cars.

That is a story that needs to be preserved. Even if it tarnishes the carefully crafted CS image. Facts is facts. Some easily seen ones are - Team Shelby is merely an inhouse marketing tool of SA with a sealed registry. If SAAC had become part of that the "old" cars would have fallen off their radar and there would be zero ongoing protection or public records/scrutiny of the 62-70 cars. SA talks history but in reality they even sold the first Cobra.

Quote from: GTBULLITT on April 17, 2025, 11:37:01 PMBut one last question do we still need to wear Hawaiian shirts at the SAAC dinners ?

We better that's all I own anymore.

Quote from: GTBULLITT on April 17, 2025, 11:37:01 PMThanks for the ride Rick, you made the drive quite enjoyable.
But one last question do we still need to wear Hawaiian shirts at the SAAC dinners ?

Got mine ready for 50!

I think this is a great way to give Rick Kopec a fitting tribute at the SAAC 50 dinner, everyone wear a Hawaiian shirt on Saturday night. Those people who are on this forum site but are also members of a local chapter of SAAC, mention this at your next meetings. For those SAAC members who know of other people attending the convention and dinner, tell them to get a Hawaiian shirt. It is easy enough to go to a Goodwill, 2nd hand store and you can find them on the racks. Wash it and you are good to go.   

Quote from: Hov on April 22, 2025, 04:14:49 PMI think this is a great way to give Rick Kopec a fitting tribute at the SAAC 50 dinner, everyone wear a Hawaiian shirt on Saturday night. 

There are even Cobra/Shelby themed "Hawaiian" shirts available for $15-60. Google them and order online. The fact that several companies are making these shirts is another example of what Kopec did to save CS and SA from being a mere footnote in the automotive world.

This was sad news. I'm not inside any angle of SAAC, but I remember talking with him at SAAC 32 in Utah.  Always pleasant, a wealth of information with a dry wit.  He'll be missed.

I'll be wearing a Hawaiian shirt at the dinner. 

Quote from: Hov on April 22, 2025, 04:14:49 PMI think this is a great way to give Rick Kopec a fitting tribute at the SAAC 50 dinner, everyone wear a Hawaiian shirt on Saturday night. Those people who are on this forum site but are also members of a local chapter of SAAC, mention this at your next meetings. For those SAAC members who know of other people attending the convention and dinner, tell them to get a Hawaiian shirt. It is easy enough to go to a Goodwill, 2nd hand store and you can find them on the racks. Wash it and you are good to go.   

Mark, really? You don't see Reyn Spooner in the 2nd hand store.

Quote from: JohnSlack on April 26, 2025, 04:57:15 PM

Quote from: Hov on April 22, 2025, 04:14:49 PMI think this is a great way to give Rick Kopec a fitting tribute at the SAAC 50 dinner, everyone wear a Hawaiian shirt on Saturday night. Those people who are on this forum site but are also members of a local chapter of SAAC, mention this at your next meetings. For those SAAC members who know of other people attending the convention and dinner, tell them to get a Hawaiian shirt. It is easy enough to go to a Goodwill, 2nd hand store and you can find them on the racks. Wash it and you are good to go.   

Mark, really? You don't see Reyn Spooner in the 2nd hand store.

I am not sure of this fascination of so called "Hawaiian "shirts.  We wear authentic Aloha shirts here in the middle of the Pacific almost daily, but I have never worn one at a SAAC convention.  At the conventions, I see a lot of polyester and rayon prints of Ford products and Tommy Bahama prints for the Key West lovers, but they are not related to anything from Hawaii.  But to each his own. 

However, calling these chest covers "Hawaiian" shirts is like calling a back yard modified six cylinder Mustang with stripes and scoops a one of one Shelby original.

And I can get my Reyns shirts at the local Nordstrom Rack for half price, by the way.

Aloha.  ;D 

Yeah ... Great Idea....too bad he's not coming.......... :'(

Why would Rick just quit? It doesn't make any sense, his health is still good and SAAC was his life. I don't think the current board of directors is being honest with the membership why he quit. Who is going to publish the quarterly magazine now?

I've been told that the key to success is not knowing when to enter the party but knowing when to leave.
 Rick said, "I hate long goodbyes"
Now he can do what he wants, when he wants and relax when he feels like it.
Thanks to Rick to steering the ship for a long time

Quote from: 6s1802 on May 03, 2025, 05:28:39 PMWhy would Rick just quit? It doesn't make any sense, his health is still good and SAAC was his life. I don't think the current board of directors is being honest with the membership why he quit. Who is going to publish the quarterly magazine now?

What was the tagline from X Files?

Quote from: Don Johnston on April 26, 2025, 05:55:44 PMWe wear authentic Aloha shirts here in the middle of the Pacific almost daily, but I have never worn one at a SAAC convention.  At the conventions, I see a lot of polyester and rayon prints of Ford products and Tommy Bahama prints for the Key West lovers, but they are not related to anything from Hawaii.
However, calling these chest covers "Hawaiian" shirts is like calling a back yard modified six cylinder Mustang with stripes and scoops a one of one Shelby original.

When we went to Hawaii I wanted to buy an authentic Aloha shirt. I've got lots of Tommy Bahama because I'm OCD enough to like the pattern to line up at the button line (1/2 price at their outlet stores - and I've never been to Key West). 90% of the ones I looked at were made in Taiwan. I did finally find a couple "Made in Hawaii" ones. The wife was there a few months ago and bought me a couple that replicated the great 1930s Eugene Savage artwork. They were also made in Hawaii.
I also bought a few more Crazy Shirts because I don't always wear buttons..........

I am told that Rick wanted SAAC to sponsor a project that the club chose not to endorse absent certain changes in its composition. Rick apparently did not agree to make the requested changes and the club's directors held firm in their decision, at which point Rick severed ties with the club. Is there a reason this may not be discussed here?

Thank you for your post.

I've heard a rumor that it will be published and he will attend SAAC 50 on a very limited basis - just to sign books.

Is there something going on here that is being censored by the "Moderator"?

Quote from: shelbydoug on May 09, 2025, 03:53:00 PMIs there something going on here that is being censored by the "Moderator"?

Most likely

Quote from: JohnSlack on May 09, 2025, 04:12:04 PM

Quote from: shelbydoug on May 09, 2025, 03:53:00 PMIs there something going on here that is being censored by the "Moderator"?

Most likely

Huh. Imagine that?

The Cobra Registrar had an interesting post on Rick's retirement.  I can't find it anymore.  Where did it go?

The truth shall set you free....or NOT... ::)

Quote from: csxsfm on May 09, 2025, 04:39:00 PMThe Cobra Registrar had an interesting post on Rick's retirement.  I can't find it anymore.  Where did it go?

Mine built on Ned's comments with some new info - it's also gone. Childish games continue........

There is only one person that can make them all disappear. Inquire there.

Hey Everyone,

For over 50 years, Rick poured his heart and soul into the Shelby community, nurturing a passion that has brought us all so much joy. His dedication and hard work gave life to this car club that we cherish deeply. This forum is a special place where we can share stories and relive the wonderful moments we've experienced together. Let's honor Rick's incredible legacy by focusing on these cherished memories, rather than on rumors or speculation. While I believe in open dialogue, some posts were removed at the request of members from the SAAC board. My hope is that we can continue to celebrate the good times and the incredible Shelby vehicles that bring us all together.

Quote from: Macstang on May 09, 2025, 09:13:44 PMHey Everyone,

For over 50 years, Rick poured his heart and soul into the Shelby community, nurturing a passion that has brought us all so much joy. His dedication and hard work gave life to this car club that we cherish deeply. This forum is a special place where we can share stories and relive the wonderful moments we've experienced together. Let's honor Rick's incredible legacy by focusing on these cherished memories, rather than on rumors or speculation. While I believe in open dialogue, some posts were removed at the request of members from the SAAC board. My hope is that we can continue to celebrate the good times and the incredible Shelby vehicles that bring us all together.

I think that you are avoiding dealing with the issue. That helps nothing.

Quote from: shelbydoug on May 09, 2025, 09:18:42 PMI think that you are avoiding dealing with the issue. That helps nothing.

I can certainly see why you'd say that. Constructive dialog here has a much more significant impact on things than you may realize.

The past is unchangeable, but the future is unwritten.

Quote from: Macstang on May 09, 2025, 09:58:50 PMThe past is unchangeable, but the future is unwritten.

And sometimes the past is unwritten....... or edited out and we know that's not speculation..

We need someone to design a FORK Tshirt - Friends Of Rick Kopec.

Fork in the road park - Pasadena CA

I think I may have one of those in my closet, let me take a look...
FORK.jpg

Quote from: Macstang on May 09, 2025, 09:58:50 PM

Quote from: shelbydoug on May 09, 2025, 09:18:42 PMI think that you are avoiding dealing with the issue. That helps nothing.

I can certainly see why you'd say that. Constructive dialog here has a much more significant impact on things than you may realize.

The past is unchangeable, but the future is unwritten.

History is written by the victors, sometimes the bright light of Day blinds the passionate subjects who lamp unto the feet of Caesar. It prevents the masses from knowing that truth.


John

Well Hope is mostly a good thing but should not be the plan but to me this is suggesting that this was a purge and it makes me wonder who in fact should be purged and who should not.

If we are quoting the views of the Emeperors of Rome, even they realized that it was the Mob of Rome that they needed the support of?

The "Board" is acting as if it has the protection of the "Praetorian Guard"? I wonder if that is in fact the case? "The Mob's support is fickle my brother".

As you suggest, some things are inevitable, but which inevitability are we dealing with now? Are YOU seeing that correctly? Will the 'Mob' eventually come for you too?

Is it inevitable that "all good things must come to an end"?

Quote from: shelbydoug on May 10, 2025, 08:03:35 AMWell Hope is mostly a good thing but should not be the plan but to me this is suggesting that this was a purge and it makes me wonder who in fact should be purged and who should not.
...
Is it inevitable that "all good things must come to an end"?

Hey Doug,

I'm very inexperienced on this forum and I don't know enough to place the forum name to your actual name but I have now realized who you are! I remember something you once told me, it was a quote about digging holes, not sure if you remember it but it's something which stuck with me even after all these years. I hope you are doing well.

Ultimately we're all just humans and we do make mistakes sometimes. Two posts were removed, if the consensus is that you'd like them back I believe Ron has the ability to undelete. Removing them was not a unanimous decision and I think I've just flipped my opinion the other way.

Regardless of bringing them back or not, I can promise to you and everyone that all I want is success for our club, and harmony among us all. Not easy, but I strive to achieve it. I'm not sure that all good things must come to an end, but I'll say this, there are many good things which are worth fighting for and I'm in the ring for SAAC all the time.

I don't think Ricks "retirement " was with out an underlying story. You dont miss your 50th anniversary because you are tired of the marriage  2 months before the celebration .     right shelblydoug

Quote from: Macstang on May 10, 2025, 10:12:32 AM

Quote from: shelbydoug on May 10, 2025, 08:03:35 AMWell Hope is mostly a good thing but should not be the plan but to me this is suggesting that this was a purge and it makes me wonder who in fact should be purged and who should not.
...
Is it inevitable that "all good things must come to an end"?

Hey Doug,

I'm very inexperienced on this forum and I don't know enough to place the forum name to your actual name but I have now realized who you are! I remember something you once told me, it was a quote about digging holes, not sure if you remember it but it's something which stuck with me even after all these years. I hope you are doing well.

Ultimately we're all just humans and we do make mistakes sometimes. Two posts were removed, if the consensus is that you'd like them back I believe Ron has the ability to undelete. Removing them was not a unanimous decision and I think I've just flipped my opinion the other way.

Regardless of bringing them back or not, I can promise to you and everyone that all I want is success for our club, and harmony among us all. Not easy, but I strive to achieve it. I'm not sure that all good things must come to an end, but I'll say this, there are many good things which are worth fighting for and I'm in the ring for SAAC all the time.

I'm not convinced that opening this all up to discussion is the best thing but I suspect that when Moderators are censoring public inquiries of other SAAC officials is not a good path to take at all?

As some might agree at least to have witnessed that sometimes the "cover up" is worse then the crime?

Just the fact that posts were removed would suggest that there is some sort of power struggle going on when in fact, maybe there is none?

That is curious in that in other instances the Moderator has permitted what appears to be aggressive and potentially harmful spam under the heading of "let the boys play" and here something significant was asked by a very highly respected SAAC official and it was censored.

It makes me wonder what the intention is and who is the problem here?

Quote from: gt350shelb on May 10, 2025, 10:26:36 AMI don't think Ricks "retirement " was with out an underlying story. You dont miss your 50th anniversary because you are tired of the marriage  2 months before the celebration .     right shelblydoug

Well, if we are going to worry about exactly what could be going on, for instance, perhaps there is legal action going on and there is a non-disclosure agreement in effect?

That DID happen under the "Shelby Lawsuit" situation which STILL cannot be openly discussed in detail and it is a bit inconsistent now to have a Moderator who leans heavily towards the "First Amendment", maybe considers it entertaining banter and then turns around and reverses that view?

Are we all conflicted here? Isn't everyone? Sure I am but I'm not the issue.

yea the moderator is always the problem .....  and yes you are correct

Honestly, it's just an evolving situation. You don't call a game after the first quarter. Same thing here.

Guess Rick's new book on SAAC contains some history that some may find troublesome, including CS legacy keepers.  The intrigue of his "retirement" makes me want to buy one even more.  Does Rick have my email on his mailing list?  LOL

Quote from: csxsfm on May 10, 2025, 10:50:11 AMGuess Rick's new book on SAAC contains some history that some may find troublesome, including CS legacy keepers.  The intrigue of his "retirement" makes me want to buy one even more.  Does Rick have my email on his mailing list?  LOL

Some of the conspiracy theories are very creative and clever. Can they create a "NY Times Best Seller" ? :)

As far as the "Moderator" being the secret villain, that could work out as a "third act 'twist'? I like it! Someone needs to be blamed.    :o


Can locking up this thread be far behind?

Quote from: Macstang on May 10, 2025, 10:45:42 AMHonestly, it's just an evolving situation. You don't call a game after the first quarter. Same thing here.

Are you suggesting that "it ain't over"?

I like NBA basketball and there is some benefit to "letting the boys play" but at some point it crosses over into a "ghetto gansta' brawl" and to me, that is a turn off. Once you loose control of the game, you rarely get it back.

So "ref'ing the game" takes a bit of judgement and as usual, in retrospect, mistakes in that judgement become apparent. But that's just a game. Is this?

OK
Let's put this issue to bed.

There is far less "palace intrigue" going on than some are speculating.  David felt squeamish about seeing a speculative discussion and consequently deleted a few posts, in haste.  In hindsight, he agrees it was probably not the best way to do it.
I can bring those posts back, but they are unimportant now,  the details of them have been laid out in subsequent posts right here. 

Let me clarify the reasons for these concerns that you saw ... it is fair that the members understand because it seems unusual for Rick to retire before our 50th anniversary. 
Very simple ..Rick was working on a project to be published, just like he has done for all our other publications ( the magazine, the annual and the registries) Understand that Rick had stepped back many years ago from the day to day management of the club, retiring from all operations,  and worked strictly on editorial work at the Editor's desk. 
Essentially the tone of his current work that was to be published by SAAC was more than a bit controversial and would have potentially and conceivably put the club in a bad light. As such, it was disputed by the Board... about whether it should be published by SAAC or not. Understand, this did not include any deep dark secrets; it was just the interpretation of past events that should be left as past history.

Discussions and compromises were not reached to the satisfaction of both sides.  Consequently Rick tossed his keys on the table and said "I'm done".  We sincerely appreciate the contribution he has made over the past five decades but we understand he found a reason to walk away from it all.  We respect that.  The club will sustain and go on. 

It was a decision made by club management that we did not want to jeopardize our position in the hobby and in the industry. 

We stand by that decision.  That said... no more no less ..no hard feelings... it was his choice and we respected it.

You are not including pertinent information as I was informed. Presuming that my information is accurate.

In fact, if you did reveal it, it would put the "Board" in a much better light which frankly at this point it desperately needs.

Quote from: shelbydoug on May 10, 2025, 01:29:51 PMYou are not including pertinent information as I was informed. Presuming that my information is accurate.

In fact, if you did reveal it, it would put the "Board" in a much better light which frankly at this point it desperately needs.

Well, I'm all for better light, whenever needed.

As far as your "pertinent information as I was informed" .... I've been informed that there are a few people who have been one-sidely misinformed.

Share your "pertinent information" with me via email or PM... I would be glad to confirm or refute anything you may have heard...

...BTW, that goes for ANY MEMBER who needs a further explanation.. just reach out privately to me.

I don't need to put it in a better light. You do.

Quote from: shelbydoug on May 10, 2025, 02:06:24 PMI don't need to put it in a better light. You do.

The offer stands... you should take it.

Quote from: computerworks on May 10, 2025, 02:10:33 PM

Quote from: shelbydoug on May 10, 2025, 02:06:24 PMI don't need to put it in a better light. You do.

The offer stands... you should take it.

YOU need to appease "the mob". Not me.

Quote from: computerworks on May 10, 2025, 02:10:33 PM

Quote from: shelbydoug on May 10, 2025, 02:06:24 PMI don't need to put it in a better light. You do.

The offer stands... you should take it.

Ron,

  Neither of which offers a warm and fuzzy feeling while you attempt to get the information being carefully shared offline.

Bill

Quote from: shelbydoug on May 10, 2025, 11:00:54 AMSome of the conspiracy theories are very creative and clever. Can they create a "NY Times Best Seller" ? :)
...

It's almost reminiscent of a certain April Fools prank from a long time ago.

(I wish it was a prank, sadly it's not...it may have been a brilliant way to sell {vaporware} books perhaps, but an unanticipated bonus, not intentional.)

Quote from: shelbydoug on May 10, 2025, 11:24:14 AMAre you suggesting that "it ain't over"?
...

Ever seen the movie "Animal House"? I love that movie personally. This reminds me of that scene where Bluto (John Belushi) gives the speech about the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor. He concludes with "It ain't over now, 'cause when the goin' gets tough, the tough get goin'. Who's with me?" and no one follows him out the door.

In the context of this thread, it ain't over. I'm glad that we're all being as transparent as we are right now. The best part of SAAC is how passionate everyone is. I see it everywhere and frankly I think it's beautiful, special, frustrating, and wonderful all at the same time. The fact that you guys all pour so much into this tells me that you care passionately about your club, your forum, and your Shelby Community. Keep doing it.

Quote from: Bill on May 10, 2025, 03:14:48 PMNeither of which offers a warm and fuzzy feeling while you attempt to get the information being carefully shared offline.

Thanks, Bill.... but I am not attempting to get any info.. I am offering to share reality with anyone who needs a dose. I explained the issue in summary above; if anyone needs clarification, the offer stands.

Should be an interesting SAAC 50...when all these folks meet face to face.... ::)

Quote from: cobrachi on May 10, 2025, 10:12:38 PMShould be an interesting SAAC 50...when all these folks meet face to face.... ::)

Indeed! All the more reason why attending SAAC-50 is going to be the must-do event of the summer! Get your seat at the table here - http://msreg.com/saac50

As seen on The Cobra Experience website: "We are super excited to have Rick Kopec featured in our monthly newsletter! Make sure to check out Kopek's Korner below!"

Drew Serb says the Cobra Experience website will be publishing Rick's book, SAAC: The First 50 Years" as a monthly feature.

Quote from: Cobra Ned on May 16, 2025, 02:20:02 PMDrew Serb says the Cobra Experience website will be publishing Rick's book, SAAC: The First 50 Years" as a monthly feature.

Great news!  That's awesome!

Quote from: Cobra Ned on May 16, 2025, 02:20:02 PMDrew Serb says the Cobra Experience website will be publishing Rick's book, SAAC: The First 50 Years" as a monthly feature.
 needs to be done

Can you post a link. Im not finding it

Try:
https://files.constantcontact.com/b60d4b76401/211f4c0d-cafb-4ba3-97f0-f3a3a6c5c91b.pdf?rdr=true

Quote from: Don Johnston on May 17, 2025, 02:20:04 PMTry:
https://files.constantcontact.com/b60d4b76401/211f4c0d-cafb-4ba3-97f0-f3a3a6c5c91b.pdf?rdr=true

That's the first 24 pages of the total 597 pages.

Thank you!

Pay close attention to pages 23 & 24.... >:(

Don, Thanks for posting the link. Interesting reading. 

Thanks as well. Just finished reading and it was an enjoyable way to pass some time.

It's weird that a rather mundane article would cause so much drama.

Apparently some people are concerned with the unflattering way CS was portrayed on pages 23-24... :-\

Brings to mind Jack Nicholson's line in A Few Good Men: "You can't handle the truth."

Only specific chapters are being shown in Kopec's Korner to avoid conflict and allow Rick to retire peacefully after 50 years of amazing, tireless and faithful (to SAAC) service.

Quote from: cobrachi on May 17, 2025, 09:12:34 PMApparently some people are concerned with the unflattering way CS way portrayed on pages 23-24... :-\

There is more on the suit in the year by year section. Also there are some comments in Pete's intro that cast doubt on CS's sainthood. CS was always upset that owners of his cars were making more money selling them than he had made when they were new. He even thought he should be cut in on the SAAC conventions - ever wonder why SAAC quit doing the "SAAC Does Vegas" event and there is now a Shelby Bash in Vegas. If you get a chance look what the prices are for that event and you'll realize it's a profit center for SA and not a thank you to the owners. It's a Team Shelby event and SA has pulled TS inhouse to use it as a marketing tool. Ever tried to get info from the unpublished private 2005 up Shelby Registry?

There is a very definitive history of legal actions on behalf of CS and associates so it is most likely best to keep Rick and SAAC protected by not releasing those pages and other comments concerning that nasty era.

Quote from: Coralsnake on May 17, 2025, 09:24:11 AMCan you post a link. Im not finding it

For future newsletters, go to Cobra Experience's website: https://cobraexperience.org/ (https://cobraexperience.org/) 
At the bottom of their page you can enter your name and email address to sign up to receive their monthly newsletter.  It is a great newsletter.  Each month Brooks Laudin also has two great articles about Shelby American history included and also other updates.  With SAAC 50 fastly approaching you can see what they have planned for that upcoming event as well.

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That is correct 98SVT-was06GT the information on 06 and above cars is not available to the public even with them having a registration website. Questions were asked in the Team Shelby forum when it was better. Members were curious as to breakdowns of the cars themselves. I would personally like to know more information than the standard year by year production numbers. - Kevin

To me there is little point in bickering about what should be published and not.

The fact is that anything considered derogatory is going to be actionable. Maybe someone can post that portion on the "dark web"and get away with it?

The issue here is that by not being able to openly discuss this, it casts the Board and the Moderator in a significant negative light which could contribute to the continued  demise of this organization. There are already significant feelings of the need to desperately replace this Moderator which has not been dealt with. This does not help that situation.

Ironically, the vast majority here would likely agree that there is no alternative to not publishing that portion of the story. It doesn't even matter if ultimately a court would declare those portions as public knowledge and give the win to SAAC. The cost is not affordable. Even if it was, what's the point? Vengeance?

There already is/was a settlement years ago.

The cost to win that would take the wealth of mid-east oil nation to fund that. To what purpose?

Strategies that did work in the past will no longer work now. SA by it's financial power is already the winner. It's already won. Ford is not going to step in again.

So exactly what is the point of the bickering?

Quote from: shelbydoug on May 18, 2025, 10:33:43 AM...The issue here is that by not being able to openly discuss this, it casts the Board and the Moderator in a significant negative light...

All issues are open and being discussed. Nothing is being hidden or obscured or removed. I've been enjoying the flow of this thread and you guys certainly have hit the nail on the head.

If there's something not being openly discussed, raise it and collectively we can talk about it as a community.

To quote The Cranberries, there's "No Need to Argue."

Doug
... you need to rest a bit.

Just my normal Sunday morning over caffeinated situation. I get a lot of PM's that you are not aware of.
Some are not as polite as one would anticipate. :)

Quote from: 2008 GT-C on May 18, 2025, 10:30:56 AMThat is correct 98SVT-was06GT the information on 06 and above cars is not available to the public even with them having a registration website.

They don't want you to know that they have produced nearly 150,000 cars since 06. It took SA over 5 years to manufacture about 7,000 cars. Ford manufactured another 6,000 from 68-70 with their wholly owned and controlled Shelby Automotive. If you look at truly built by the crews of CS and his SA manufacturing in the 60s compared to today they build in a year what took them 6 years to produce back then. If the registry was public you would see barring a few one offs there are far too many to be considered the instant collectable they'd like you to believe.

I wonder if Rick wrote about the lawsuits against him/SAAC?

   ROY

Quote from: TA Coupe on May 18, 2025, 05:27:28 PMI wonder if Rick wrote about the lawsuits against him/SAAC?

Bingo give that man a cigar........

There are those who'd love to forget that chapter of club history. My thoughts are those who forget the history are destined to repeat it. 

Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on May 17, 2025, 11:40:25 PMThere is more on the suit in the year by year section. Also there are some comments in Pete's intro that cast doubt on CS's sainthood. CS was always upset that owners of his cars were making more money selling them than he had made when they were new. He even thought he should be cut in on the SAAC conventions - ever wonder why SAAC quit doing the "SAAC Does Vegas" event and there is now a Shelby Bash in Vegas. If you get a chance look what the prices are for that event and you'll realize it's a profit center for SA and not a thank you to the owners. It's a Team Shelby event and SA has pulled TS inhouse to use it as a marketing tool.

I've been to 3 different SAAC conventions (Sonoma, Mid Ohio and Indianapolis) and 0 Team Shelby conventions AND I own a house in Vegas and spend 6 months a year in Vegas.   What does that tell ya?

QSS

Quote from: TA Coupe on May 18, 2025, 05:27:28 PMI wonder if Rick wrote about the lawsuits against him/SAAC?

   ROY

I was referring to the small individual ones that very few know about.

     Roy

Other than the legacy promotional value they provide for new sales, Vegas has no real interest in our old cars.

Quote from: TA Coupe on May 19, 2025, 11:07:12 PMI was referring to the small individual ones that very few know about.

Rick did not go beyond what affected the club. The rest he didn't air. That indicates it was about how the club was treated and should be preserved. You don't get the vibe of a personal vendetta from reading the book.

The full unpublished manuscript is available privately. Many were given pre-publication copies.

You can read it yourself.

It just won't and really can't be discussed openly here.


Everyone can debate that here on infinitum but it isn't going to change.

It isn't what YOU think is not damaging to the Shelby legacy, it is what SA's big law firm does and they have already seen the manuscript and telegraphed clearly that if it is published as is "EVERYONE" WILL BE sued.


The manor in which the book is written does strongly suggest that it is written in a chronologically "historical, as it happened" light BUT as stated by some, "the view of history depends on who wrote it". Shelby didn't write this book, so there in lies the main underlying issue?

History repeating itself.

To many people CS was a Saint, most understood his failings and ignored them. Dave Dralle once told me that when he would see CS out and about they would not interact directly, however he said when CS would approach him friendly with his big smile and personality.....then Dave knew it was going to cost him something. I related that story to Don Araki and he agreed. They both indicated that it was best to avoid being seen.


John

Quote from: Macstang on May 10, 2025, 10:12:32 AM

Quote from: shelbydoug on May 10, 2025, 08:03:35 AMWell Hope is mostly a good thing but should not be the plan but to me this is suggesting that this was a purge and it makes me wonder who in fact should be purged and who should not.
...
Is it inevitable that "all good things must come to an end"?

Hey Doug,

I'm very inexperienced on this forum and I don't know enough to place the forum name to your actual name but I have now realized who you are! I remember something you once told me, it was a quote about digging holes, not sure if you remember it but it's something which stuck with me even after all these years. I hope you are doing well.

Ultimately we're all just humans and we do make mistakes sometimes. Two posts were removed, if the consensus is that you'd like them back I believe Ron has the ability to undelete. Removing them was not a unanimous decision and I think I've just flipped my opinion the other way.

Regardless of bringing them back or not, I can promise to you and everyone that all I want is success for our club, and harmony among us all. Not easy, but I strive to achieve it. I'm not sure that all good things must come to an end, but I'll say this, there are many good things which are worth fighting for and I'm in the ring for SAAC all the time.

This forum was started because I was a moderator on Randall Shelby's forum and whenever SAAC issues came up there, they were quietly deleted. I realized we needed our own Forum and along with the Technical abilities of Ron Richards, the Political power of Dave Mathews, we approached Rick Kopec who gave us the blessing to start the SAAC Forum! to hear that censorship is taking place on this forum that is the bastard child of censorship to begin with, is a sorry state of affairs. 

Quote from: daltondavid on May 23, 2025, 03:48:00 PMThis forum was started because I was a moderator on Randall Shelby's forum and whenever SAAC issues came up there, they were quietly deleted. I realized we needed our own Forum and along with the Technical abilities of Ron Richards, the Political power of Dave Mathews, we approached Rick Kopec who gave us the blessing to start the SAAC Forum! to hear that censorship is taking place on this forum that is the bastard child of censorship to begin with, is a sorry state of affairs.

Hello Dave,

The post (#48 in this thread) was restored. No censorship. I'm seeing some transparency in this thread which is very refreshing.

Quote from: Macstang on May 23, 2025, 04:17:58 PM

Quote from: daltondavid on May 23, 2025, 03:48:00 PMThis forum was started because I was a moderator on Randall Shelby's forum and whenever SAAC issues came up there, they were quietly deleted. I realized we needed our own Forum and along with the Technical abilities of Ron Richards, the Political power of Dave Mathews, we approached Rick Kopec who gave us the blessing to start the SAAC Forum! to hear that censorship is taking place on this forum that is the bastard child of censorship to begin with, is a sorry state of affairs.

Hello Dave,

The post (#48 in this thread) was restored. No censorship. I'm seeing some transparency in this thread which is very refreshing.

Thanks Dave. I got on this thread late in the game!!

Quote from: daltondavid on May 23, 2025, 04:31:02 PMThanks Dave. I got on this thread late in the game!!

All good. We're on the same team in this game.

Quote from: Macstang on May 23, 2025, 04:52:37 PM

Quote from: daltondavid on May 23, 2025, 04:31:02 PMThanks Dave. I got on this thread late in the game!!

All good. We're on the same team in this game.

I sent you a pm

Quote from: Macstang on May 23, 2025, 04:17:58 PM

Quote from: daltondavid on May 23, 2025, 03:48:00 PMThis forum was started because I was a moderator on Randall Shelby's forum and whenever SAAC issues came up there, they were quietly deleted. I realized we needed our own Forum and along with the Technical abilities of Ron Richards, the Political power of Dave Mathews, we approached Rick Kopec who gave us the blessing to start the SAAC Forum! to hear that censorship is taking place on this forum that is the bastard child of censorship to begin with, is a sorry state of affairs.

Hello Dave,

The post (#48 in this thread) was restored. No censorship. I'm seeing some transparency in this thread which is very refreshing.

Really? Why did it have to be "restored"? Who removed it to begin with?

GT350SHELB's posts have not been "restored". How is that not censorship?

I think that this is much more a Moderator out of control issue then anything else? Who is going to deal with that?

Why do we have to deal with this internal power struggle at SAAC publicly. This is something that "The Board" should take care of and should already have dealt with in the past. This is terrible timing.

Quote from: shelbydoug on May 23, 2025, 10:43:58 PMReally? Why did it have to be "restored"? Who removed it to begin with?

GT350SHELB's posts have not been "restored". How is that not censorship?

I think that this is much more a Moderator out of control issue then anything else? Who is going to deal with that?

Why do we have to deal with this internal power struggle at SAAC publicly. This is something that "The Board" should take care of and should already have dealt with in the past. This is terrible timing.

Ned's post was originally removed because we were in active negotiations with Kopec and we were trying hard not to let outside forces influence the outcome. In the weeks since, it's become obvious that full transparency was far more important than anything else. While I can't turn back the hands of time, I've tried to...perhaps unsuccessfully.

As far as GT350SHELB's post, it contained the wrong link. Here's the correct link: https://bit.ly/4jdssLp

Enjoy!

Quote from: Macstang on May 24, 2025, 10:59:25 AM

Quote from: shelbydoug on May 23, 2025, 10:43:58 PMReally? Why did it have to be "restored"? Who removed it to begin with?

GT350SHELB's posts have not been "restored". How is that not censorship?

I think that this is much more a Moderator out of control issue then anything else? Who is going to deal with that?

Why do we have to deal with this internal power struggle at SAAC publicly. This is something that "The Board" should take care of and should already have dealt with in the past. This is terrible timing.

Ned's post was originally removed because we were in active negotiations with Kopec and we were trying hard not to let outside forces influence the outcome. In the weeks since, it's become obvious that full transparency was far more important than anything else. While I can't turn back the hands of time, I've tried to...perhaps unsuccessfully.

As far as GT350SHELB's post, it contained the wrong link. Here's the correct link: https://bit.ly/4jdssLp

Enjoy!

Wrong link or link to the redacted version .  btw i have files saved on my lap top in their orginal form ......  ricks version .      ohh and I guess its not  a mistake that i no longer have access to my personal meesages ..
not censored thou   right?

Quote from: Macstang on May 24, 2025, 10:59:25 AM

Quote from: shelbydoug on May 23, 2025, 10:43:58 PMReally? Why did it have to be "restored"? Who removed it to begin with?

GT350SHELB's posts have not been "restored". How is that not censorship?

I think that this is much more a Moderator out of control issue then anything else? Who is going to deal with that?

Why do we have to deal with this internal power struggle at SAAC publicly. This is something that "The Board" should take care of and should already have dealt with in the past. This is terrible timing.

Ned's post was originally removed because we were in active negotiations with Kopec and we were trying hard not to let outside forces influence the outcome. In the weeks since, it's become obvious that full transparency was far more important than anything else. While I can't turn back the hands of time, I've tried to...perhaps unsuccessfully.

As far as GT350SHELB's post, it contained the wrong link. Here's the correct link: https://bit.ly/4jdssLp

Enjoy!

The negotiations with Kopec are over aren't they? Were those considered successful?

You still are not dealing with the Moderator here.

It doesn't appear that you are very good at this?

How many things are going to blow up in your face?

Quote from: gt350shelb on May 24, 2025, 12:54:42 PMWrong link or link to the redacted version .  btw i have files saved on my lap top in their orginal form ......  ricks version .      ohh and I guess its not  a mistake that i no longer have access to my personal meesages ..
not censored thou  right?

The link I posted above is the link Rick has been sending out. It lands on a page which is identical to the link you posted (check the URL, you know what you posted, you will see they are a 100% match...) Rick created a Bitly link so he could see how many people access the book. No tracking is taking place, just a simple counter. The book is also in a lower resolution version easier for quick download.

There was an original version that was directly emailed to a small group of people. That version had some very minor differences and included a few cartoons which were subsequently removed by Rick. It also contained much higher resolution images and was about 10x the file size.

As far as your Private Messages, I don't know anything about that. I would be happy to investigate and resolve that for you. Just confirm to me that it's still an issue and I'll research the solution for you.

 perhaps team shelby should remember if  saac and kopec had not flow the shelby flag for last 50 years there would be  no"Team Shelby"

I doubt many of them know the history at all.

Quote from: Coralsnake on May 24, 2025, 09:27:27 PMI doubt many of them know the history at all.

I doubt many of them CARE to know the history.

Quote from: JohnSlack on May 24, 2025, 10:28:49 PM

Quote from: Coralsnake on May 24, 2025, 09:27:27 PMI doubt many of them know the history at all.

I doubt many of them CARE to know the history.

This is so true. Today 90% of the post boomer buyers know nothing of the history. If they know any part of it they only know what they saw in Ford V Ferrari. The 60th Aniv GT350 may stir some interest but in reality SA for the past few years has been modding more trucks per year than Mustangs. Their continuation market has also drastically slowed. I guess people still like the Cobra shape and performance but could care less about paying a BIG premium for SA to stick a VIN tag on the same Kirkham they can buy elsewhere.

The 10% remaining are referred to as the "Gray Group". Those of us from the '60s &'70s who appreciate the history. We became "involved" because someone took time to preserve the cars legacy when "the man" could care less and was fading into the sunset. Then, when it looked like a buck could be made decided to jump back in. While this is just my personal perception it's sad to see the person we owe so much too "retire".

I am one of the " Gray Group "  and have known Rick for about 50 years.....I miss those early conventions when we were up all nights in the parking lots in Oakland & Pasadena....watched SAAC grow under the passionate efforts of Kopec. Shelby was made a star by SAAC....and this is how he is repaid for his dedication....threatened with lawsuits from corporate lawyers....none of whom I bet own a classic Shelby...or care to....Sorry Rick...they failed you. :-[

There is ONLY ONE essential person to SAAC. That is Kopec. NO ONE cares about anyone else. That includes the "Board".

Get over yourself. Kopec IS SAAC.

If anyone should "retire" from SAAC, it should be the members of the "Board" who created this situation. How do we remove you?

Well said Shelbydoug....the rest are just imitators...   there is obviously no  "TEAM" in team shelby....... >:(

Quote from: gt350shelb on May 24, 2025, 08:34:28 PMperhaps team shelby should remember if  saac and kopec had not flow the shelby flag for last 50 years there would be  no"Team Shelby"

True SAAC kept CS relevant. But, in reality Team Shelby came about because SAAC did not want to include/adopt the new cars. There would be needs for registries, pages in the magazine - or a whole new magazine, how do you write "historical" articles on new cars, who was doing interesting things with their car - beyond youtube videos of C&C crashes? Where is the race history to preserve, anyone could become an eagle eyed literature hunter by just driving past the local dealer.
All you need to do is look back when Kopec tried to satisfy CS with a club for the Chrysler cars to see the decision was a good one. There wasn't the fan base to sustain TS as an enthusiast club so SA brought it inhouse and uses it as a marketing arm. When CS wanted in on the conventions SAAC gave him "SAAC Does Vegas" and that has become the TS annual convention. They've sold 10 times as many new era vehicles but get far less than 1/2 the attendees of a SAAC Convention.

Quote from: Macstang on May 24, 2025, 10:59:25 AM

Quote from: shelbydoug on May 23, 2025, 10:43:58 PMReally? Why did it have to be "restored"? Who removed it to begin with?

GT350SHELB's posts have not been "restored". How is that not censorship?

I think that this is much more a Moderator out of control issue then anything else? Who is going to deal with that?

Why do we have to deal with this internal power struggle at SAAC publicly. This is something that "The Board" should take care of and should already have dealt with in the past. This is terrible timing.

Ned's post was originally removed because we were in active negotiations with Kopec and we were trying hard not to let outside forces influence the outcome. In the weeks since, it's become obvious that full transparency was far more important than anything else. While I can't turn back the hands of time, I've tried to...perhaps unsuccessfully.

As far as GT350SHELB's post, it contained the wrong link. Here's the correct link: https://bit.ly/4jdssLp

Enjoy!

Will a printed/bound version of this book be available for purchase? If so, where and when?

Quote from: SunDude on May 27, 2025, 06:59:55 AM

Quote from: Macstang on May 24, 2025, 10:59:25 AM

Quote from: shelbydoug on May 23, 2025, 10:43:58 PMReally? Why did it have to be "restored"? Who removed it to begin with?

GT350SHELB's posts have not been "restored". How is that not censorship?

I think that this is much more a Moderator out of control issue then anything else? Who is going to deal with that?

Why do we have to deal with this internal power struggle at SAAC publicly. This is something that "The Board" should take care of and should already have dealt with in the past. This is terrible timing.

Ned's post was originally removed because we were in active negotiations with Kopec and we were trying hard not to let outside forces influence the outcome. In the weeks since, it's become obvious that full transparency was far more important than anything else. While I can't turn back the hands of time, I've tried to...perhaps unsuccessfully.

As far as GT350SHELB's post, it contained the wrong link. Here's the correct link: https://bit.ly/4jdssLp

Enjoy!

Will a printed/bound version of this book be available for purchase? If so, where and when?

Well that was the pin coming out of the grenade wasn't it.

Quote from: SunDude on May 27, 2025, 06:59:55 AM

Quote from: Macstang on May 24, 2025, 10:59:25 AM

Quote from: shelbydoug on May 23, 2025, 10:43:58 PMReally? Why did it have to be "restored"? Who removed it to begin with?

GT350SHELB's posts have not been "restored". How is that not censorship?

I think that this is much more a Moderator out of control issue then anything else? Who is going to deal with that?

Why do we have to deal with this internal power struggle at SAAC publicly. This is something that "The Board" should take care of and should already have dealt with in the past. This is terrible timing.

Ned's post was originally removed because we were in active negotiations with Kopec and we were trying hard not to let outside forces influence the outcome. In the weeks since, it's become obvious that full transparency was far more important than anything else. While I can't turn back the hands of time, I've tried to...perhaps unsuccessfully.

As far as GT350SHELB's post, it contained the wrong link. Here's the correct link: https://bit.ly/4jdssLp

Enjoy!

Will a printed/bound version of this book be available for purchase? If so, where and when?

That is the point of this discussion.

SAAC says that they want no part of it without some changes and Rick wants it published as it stands now in manuscript form.

Predicting the final outcome is the debate.

Unfortunately this has become a live or die internal power struggle that at best is searching for a solution the intent of which is to preserve SAAC, not end it.


As far as SAAC taking on the "new cars", that would just make SAAC the FREE new sales promotion company for SA. That is their project and really all the Team Shelby exists for.

There needs to be potential for the new cars to be historical landmarks and that does not happen by waving a magic wand. It will take 40 or 50 years of enthusiasm to accomplish that and by looking at those production numbers IF that happens, it will be by a different formula then what permitted SAAC to accomplish that.

They can begin by "publishing" a real Registry, not this la, la land fantasy thing they claim to be maintaining. People primarily need to see their names in print as owners of the cars.


IF this thread is now truly uncensored, then the purpose of its existence has got to be that "you" have read the unpublished manuscript and render your position/opinion on whether or not it should or could be published as is or that the author or the potential publisher (SAAC) should consider altering it, what part, what to add or delete, etc.

That isn't "pressure" per se but it is "influence" in one direction or the other that COULD lead to an agreement on how to proceed and maybe open a door to where those parties think it has already been closed forever?

Forever is a long, long time and do you want the premise of "all good things must come to an end" to apply to this?


The absence of SAAC Members replies is overwhelming. Isn't there anyone left that cares?

I am certain there are lots of us who care, including this member, who joined The Cobra Club back in '72 and had his membership transferred to the brand-new entity called SAAC as soon as it was possible. I would love to think that a rational solution to the book publishing issue exists, because if it doesn't, it is unclear how SAAC will move forward. Having someone to handle the newsletter, magazine, and other important chores is clearly a requirement for the club's continued existence, and it should be obvious that absent Rick's involvement there will be a void that will be extremely difficult to fill. I hope something constructive and positive results from these discussions.

Quote from: Cobra Ned on May 27, 2025, 11:42:35 AMI am certain there are lots of us who care, including this member, who joined The Cobra Club back in '72 and had his membership transferred to the brand-new entity called SAAC as soon as it was possible. I would love to think that a rational solution to the book publishing issue exists, because if it doesn't, it is unclear how SAAC will move forward. Having someone to handle the newsletter, magazine, and other important chores is clearly a requirement for the club's continued existence, and it should be obvious that absent Rick's involvement there will be a void that will be extremely difficult to fill. I hope something constructive and positive results from these discussions.

Perhaps but so far no one else is voluntarily getting into this discussion. Why? Maybe because previous experiences would have them believe that the Moderator is untrustworthy, and not only will censor posts but also come down on the posters with a lead sledgehammer?

I think that everyone is going to have to read the manuscript and come back here and post their review.

In particular pages 362 through 367. This seems to be the major crux of the problem? I've already read it and come to an opinion. I'm pretty sure that few others will like my opinion but I will state it with explanations as necessary.



Now it isn't just that particular section that is an issue. Regardless of what side you felt that you were on during "the lawsuit". That suit was settled but contains a Non Disclosure Clause. So in effect, just discussing it here openly, to some, is a violation of that clause.

One of the things lawyers do, is read everything. Those  "some" are going to notice this.



So while everyone else, including the "Board" is tip-toeing around the water, testing it with their toe, I'll wait to see if someone else wants to participate in this before I jump into the pool?

I know that privately I'm hearing from others, but they are staying away so far from the significant public statements. Those are the ones that I know that have read the book.

Considering the ultimate likely ending, others should get involved in this as well. Do us all a favor though. Read the manuscript first. Then think about what and how it is posting the authors view. Are those facts or just the authors opinion?  In addition, what it has left out, not touched upon or even hinted at and maybe why?


It isn't too late really. It is a hand grenade just sitting there, but no one really has pulled out the pin yet.

Below is information from The Cobra Experience Newsletter.
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KOPEC'S KORNER

With great anticipation The Cobra Experience is pleased to announce Rick Kopec will now have his own space in our Monthly Newsletter.



With an irreverent gleam in his eye and a sharp wit, Rick had been a fixture and editor at the Shelby American Automobile Club until his recent, inexplicable, separation from that organization. The man had written something about Shelby American almost every day for 50 years, including access to, and interviews with, many luminaries in the Shelby universe, reports on Shelby conventions and related events, plus the emergence of Shelby American vehicles and memorabilia as highly sought collectibles.



Among his last acts was the compilation of a history of all things Shelby American, a 650 page compendium of all that went on since 1975, including about 2,500 images to support his scribbles. He titled it The First Fifty Years. The man was there for all of it!



His column in our newsletter will be known as "Kopec's Korner" and we will publish bits each month of his accounts of the last 50 years.

There is nothing wrong in the manuscripts above referenced pages (362-379). It tells the story as I read and heard it from multiple parties in that period of sudden moneymaking vs. truth - from the US circles and in Europe. Collectors here were afraid of possible new builds and a not withstanding or weakened registry.

I think Rick put it straight with this:
"SAAC is standing guard," ..... "on the only wall that separates the truth from fiction. If we get knocked off that wall there is no one to take our place. Without SAAC everyone would be free to say and do whatever they wanted."

Without that reputation of withstanding disturbances and sueing ...SAAC would not have survived or have a chance in the future. That is what SAAC is all about - aside from the most thrilling and at the same time entertaining writing skills in all those past SAAC publications. Having been a club editor for 25 years. I have deep respect for writing close to 600 pages aside from the normal editor duty.

I can pretty much understand why he threw the keys on the table. Someone or some within the board obviously activated a kill switch (maybe without a second thought) for the hot running engine during the last lap, while the driver was focussed on the checkered line. It may be too late now to correct, but for sure it was a mistake.
I think many will still support Rick to get the truth out in print. Me, too. If it means ending the (now affiliate) members fee and paying another war bond, so be it.

TransamEd, war bonds bring back memories as well as a certain bumper sticker fund raiser!

Here is that famous decal...

Litigation Threat attempting to Silence Truth.  Prevalent Bullying tactic.

From my understanding the threat of the litigation would be hinged on the ability to continue to use the name "SAAC". How accurate is that assessment?

WOW this Thread started taking a weird turn on Page 3.  I stopped checking in thinking it was all going to just be Well Wishes, boy was I wrong.  Taking some of it to heart, I was a member of Team Shelby before it became Team Shelby but not that active, and when it became Team Shelby I joined using a different User Name.  I really liked it, made some good Friends there, still in contact with a few too.  I visited there daily.  From what I rea here, I have one suggestion, don't what happened at Team Shelby happen here.  Team Shelby was awesome until it wasn't.  3 Guys destroyed it as far as I am concerned, and it didn't take them long to do it.  The Team Shelby Members I still run into say the same thing.    I come here because I love learning about the Classic Shelby's, still learning about them, one day I hope to own one.   

My well wishes:  Enjoy your Retirement Rick, I'm sure you will.  Like the old saying goes, "The Best Time To Get Out Is When You Are On Top", many in Hollywood has yet to figure that out.  Getting out before the 50th has a Silver Lining to it, Now, instead of spending 90% of your time working the Show, you can spend 90% of your time ENJOYING the Show.

Quote from: JohnSlack on May 28, 2025, 12:09:51 PMFrom my understanding the threat of the litigation would be hinged on the ability to continue to use the name "SAAC". How accurate is that assessment?

If I remember back in the dark days SAAC was ok but "Shelby American Automobile Club" was a no go without paying a licensing fee to use the name of the high and mighty.

Unfortunately, even the threat of an unmeritorious lawsuit is very expensive to defend. I can't understand why Ford Motor Company would do something to alienate a group of 5000 enthusiasts who have kept buying Ford products and still say "First On Race Day" to everyone they meet. Let Rick publish his book. No lawsuits please. We're not saving the world, just having tons of fun for 50 years. Shelby isn't alive to tell his version and we shouldn't have to pay lawyers to call the dozens of SAAC members who knew what was going on. Ford will lose much more by trying to squelch the book and now everyone who cares has seen it anyway. It won't hurt their sales one bit.

Quote from: rkm on May 28, 2025, 03:15:34 PMUnfortunately, even the threat of an unmeritorious lawsuit is very expensive to defend. I can't understand why Ford Motor Company would do something to alienate a group of 5000 enthusiasts

The trick is to get SA etal declared a vexatious litigant who is someone that repeatedly files lawsuits without a reasonable basis, often to annoy or harass the other party. This can involve filing frivolous lawsuits, unnecessary motions, or other tactics designed to waste time and resources.
I'm sure the records would show many people paid $$$ to make the suits go away without ever seeing the inside of a courtroom.
As far as I know Ford has nothing to do with it. In fact my inside sources tell me that SA is on the outs with Ford and issued specific instructions that there be no Ford representation (products or people) at the last Bash.

Probably really hard to do. It would be up here and it would be harder in California with this case would likely be venued. Shelby American still needs to fight legitimate lawsuits so that their business will succeed. I'm sorry to hear that Ford is not supporting them because they're the only people that are still making the kind of performance cars we like. And teaming up with Team Shelby for conventions is good for everybody.

Rick needs to be allowed to say what he wants to say, the Club and Shelby American need to figure out what's best for both of them to keep this party going as long as we can. I'm sure lots of other people feel the same way.

Quote from: rkm on May 29, 2025, 06:21:35 AMProbably really hard to do. It would be up here and it would be harder in California with this case would likely be venued. Shelby American still needs to fight legitimate lawsuits so that their business will succeed. I'm sorry to hear that Ford is not supporting them because they're the only people that are still making the kind of performance cars we like. And teaming up with Team Shelby for conventions is good for everybody.

Rick needs to be allowed to say what he wants to say, the Club and Shelby American need to figure out what's best for both of them to keep this party going as long as we can. I'm sure lots of other people feel the same way.

If the honest opinion of the keeper of the flame is no longer valued then what value are the rest of us? Lemmings?

Rick needs an apology, he needs to be publicly invited back to the position he deserves, whether he accepts it or not his prerogative AND he needs the freedom to bring up the issues that the rest of us are not aware of. When truth and reason are forced out the void left does the harm.

Quote from: rkm on May 29, 2025, 06:21:35 AM....... It would be up here and it would be harder in California with this case would likely be venued.

Actually pretty easy in CA. There was a guy who wanted to join a club. They didn't want him he sued. They looked up his court records and found he'd filed 100s of suits against colleges, clubs, companies and even some churches that wouldn't let him join. They got the ruling which amounts to him having to post a hefty bond along with the suit to cover the sued parties expenses should he lose.

Here is the list of trademarks "claimed" by Shelby Licensing. It's open for debate. Ford granted SA use of Cobra on 2 seat cars. All the rest (except his name) SA lost to Ford in 1967 for an unpaid loan. The "outward appearance of the 1960s Shelby Cobra" he lost on that one in many cases - Factory 5 (FFR) being his and Ford's biggest loss. CS lost rights to the shape because he didn't aggressively protect it and Ford lost because Factory 5 never used the word Cobra to describe their cars. I wonder if SA offering a Mustang with GT350 on it is the root of the current SA/Ford friction? I wonder if SA is paying a licensing fee to the FIA to use it. If I was the FIA I'd be all over them for not actually selling a car that met the FIA specs it was originally built to.

Copyright ©2022 - All Rights Reserved. SHELBY®, SHELBY GT®, GT500®, GT350®, SUPER SNAKE®, 289®, 289FIA®, 427®, 427 S/C®, the outward appearance of the 1960s Shelby Cobra vehicles® and SHELBY AMERICAN™ are registered trademarks and/or the tradedress of Carroll Shelby and Carroll Shelby Licensing, Inc. (Shelby).

SA 2nd try at Factory 5 also lost.
The central inquiry, then, is whether the subsequent trade dress violation involves the same cause of action which was settled or was broader or more far reaching. In this case, the settlement agreement resolved the Type 65 trade dress claims and did not bar FFR from using the Type 65 kits, which have apparently not broadened or changed in the intervening years. Under the settlement agreement, "Shelby dismisse[d] with prejudice all claims that have been asserted or could have been asserted relative to the trade dress or designs of FFR's kits, including but not limited to the kits known as the 427 Roadster and the Type 65 Coupe." (FFR's Mem., Ex. B ¶ 9 (emphasis added).) Shelby's argument that the first suit only involved the 427 S/C contradicts the plain language of the settlement, which dismissed all claims "relative to the trade dress or designs of FFR's kits" involving Factory Five's Type 65 Coupe, not merely those relating to the trade dress of the 427 S/C. Moreover, the Final Judgment included numerous, specific references to both the name and design of the Daytona Coupe.

For me, CS walked away from his legendary old cars when he sold his parts business to Spillane in 1972.

 perhaps the new club  name should be FUSA  or $AAC

1. Slander and libel are extinguished by the death of the plaintiff as a general rule and the cause of action does not pass to the estate.

2. Truth is an absolute defense to a slander or libel lawsuit.

3. First Amendment rights apply where the State action attempts to curtail free speech whereas private entities can curtail speech on a given platform without any concern for the application of the First Amendment to the US Constitution.

4. Is there a time limit on a nondisclosure agreement and how encompassing can it be? Does an NDA apply to non parties and non signatories to said agreement?

As an addendum, none of this stops a lawsuit frivolous or otherwise. But, at the close of said suit, a prevailing defendant may have a malicious prosecution cause of action.

As a further addendum, what I stated are general legal principles that vary from State to State and I cannot account for rogue judges and juries who do not know or follow the law to result in a deleterious  legal outcome for any defendant or counter-plaintiff. I have witnessed many bad legal decisions in trial courts in my time mostly through legal research on appellate court cases. That is why appellate courts exist as further oversight to trial courts that otherwise have no clue what they are doing. Your mileage may vary. Govern yourself accordingly.

It is really saddening for me to sit here and watch this total lack of enthusiasm on any of the "Boards" part to explain it's actions.

In effect, the restrictions were removed on censorship to permit that?

It isn't for me to explain anything. I'm not the one who has thrown the grenade.

So it leaves me to wonder now exactly what type of morning flowers I should send to the funeral that you are titling as the SAAC 50th Convention?

It is always best to show respect for the death of a loved one. The flowers express some of the feelings that words can't express.

I'm sorry for your loss.

Quote from: shelbydoug on May 31, 2025, 07:48:48 AMIt is really saddening for me to sit here and watch this total lack of enthusiasm on any of the "Boards" part to explain it's actions.

In effect, the restrictions were removed on censorship to permit that?

It isn't for me to explain anything. I'm not the one who has thrown the grenade.

So it leaves me to wonder now exactly what type of morning flowers I should send to the funeral that you are titling as the SAAC 50th Convention?

It is always best to show respect for the death of a loved one. The flowers express some of the feelings that words can't express.

I'm sorry for your loss.

C'mon, Doug... cheer up.

It sounds like it is your loss.

The explanation of the "situation" was given way earlier in this thread by me.
We allowed this free-form discussion to flourish on this topic, to see what Forum users think.

I like your 'grenade' reference... that's exactly what was thrown at the club.

I hope you can make it to SAAC-50. Early  registration numbers have exceeded all prior records. It will be a good event.

Your explanation is not forthcoming in details. You speak in generalities.

THAT is where it is at.

YOU STILL have the opportunity but are dancing around it.


Call it a Convention if you like. Perhaps the last convention, but there is no doubt whatsoever that something has died here.

We're thinking Lilies delivered to the dinner?

Quote from: computerworks on May 31, 2025, 07:58:10 AMI hope you can make it to SAAC-50. Early  registration numbers have exceeded all prior records. It will be a good event.

50 years is a lot of prior events  bigger than glen ? charlotte, dearborn ?

Quote from: shelbydoug on May 31, 2025, 08:59:57 AMYour explanation is not forthcoming in details. You speak in generalities.

THAT is where it is at.

YOU STILL have the opportunity but are dancing around it.


Call it a Convention if you like. Perhaps the last convention, but there is no doubt whatsoever that something has died here.

We're thinking Lilies delivered to the dinner?

My explanation is more than sufficient and accurate for a public forum.

I have answered every email and message from those folks who asked for further explanations... and still will.
Of course, SAAC members are entitled and will get more details than the casual bystander.

Of course, this will not be a last convention... we are already working on SAAC-51

And, flowers are not necessary. Perhaps a donation to your favorite charity??

Quote from: gt350shelb on May 31, 2025, 09:29:39 AM50 years is a lot of prior events  bigger than glen ? charlotte, dearborn ?

True... I was refering to this century

Quote from: computerworks on May 31, 2025, 10:13:21 AM

Quote from: gt350shelb on May 31, 2025, 09:29:39 AM50 years is a lot of prior events  bigger than glen ? charlotte, dearborn ?

True... I was refering to this century

well all of those fall into the last 100 years

Quote from: computerworks on May 31, 2025, 10:11:32 AM

Quote from: shelbydoug on May 31, 2025, 08:59:57 AMYour explanation is not forthcoming in details. You speak in generalities.

THAT is where it is at.

YOU STILL have the opportunity but are dancing around it.


Call it a Convention if you like. Perhaps the last convention, but there is no doubt whatsoever that something has died here.

We're thinking Lilies delivered to the dinner?

My explanation is more than sufficient and accurate for a public forum.

I have answered every email and message from those folks who asked for further explanations... and still will.
Of course, SAAC members are entitled and will get more details than the casual bystander.

Of course, this will not be a last convention... we are already working on SAAC-51

And, flowers are not necessary. Perhaps a donation to your favorite charity??

Well Butch and Sundance were planning on going to Australia but they didn't quite make it.

I'll be sitting Shiva. It seems appropriate.

I have a stack of these from back in the day.
If anyone wants 1 free  see me at Ford Carlisle I will have a car in building T

Dominic20250530_182826.jpg

Quote from: DC-DD on June 01, 2025, 07:44:17 AMI have a stack of these from back in the day.
If anyone wants 1 free  see me at Ford Carlisle I will have a car in building T

Dominic... very cool  certainly collector's items.

I need to clarify something, though ... before our troops muster outside with torches and pitchforks.  It's only in this discussion that topics about lawsuits and being sued has been raised, in reference to the thread's topic. 

Let me be clear-->  in no way is anybody suing anybody and in no way has there been any threats of lawsuits or legal actions. Those days are gone.

That subject has only materialized in this topic....not in real life.

DC-DD
Would love to have a couple! Know for a fact that 1000 were produced and some how lost the 10 or so I had when I moved. Am more than happy to buy even though I paid for the first 1000!

Quote from: computerworks on June 01, 2025, 09:39:22 AM

Quote from: DC-DD on June 01, 2025, 07:44:17 AMI have a stack of these from back in the day.
If anyone wants 1 free  see me at Ford Carlisle I will have a car in building T

Dominic... very cool  certainly collector's items.

I need to clarify something, though ... before our troops muster outside with torches and pitchforks.  It's only in this discussion that topics about lawsuits and being sued has been raised, in reference to the thread's topic. 

Let me be clear-->  in no way is anybody suing anybody and in no way has there been any threats of lawsuits or legal actions. Those days are gone.

That subject has only materialized in this topic....not in real life.

Yes
 I understand these have been laying around for years in years, I didn't have the heart to throw them away. I'm an organized hoarder so I dug them out it's time to give them away.If anybody wants some.

Quote from: 6s2055 on June 01, 2025, 12:35:32 PMDC-DD
Would love to have a couple! Know for a fact that 1000 were produced and some how lost the 10 or so I had when I moved. Am more than happy to buy even though I paid for the first 1000!

Send me a P M  WITH YOUR ADDRESS

DC-DD
Will "try" to PM you. Thank you!

Quote from: DC-DD on June 01, 2025, 07:44:17 AMI have a stack of these from back in the day.
If anyone wants 1 free  see me at Ford Carlisle I will have a car in building T

Dominic20250530_182826.jpg

Save me one, I'll be up there on Saturday with 6S1431

I would like you one. I will be there Friday. What car will you have in the T building so I can find you?
Corey

I saw a box of them somewhere recently...

A box? Guessing someone had more made. I started these originally for the help with the lawsuit defense fund.Had 1000 made by a shop in Carson City. At the time thought it was a creative way to raise funds.

Quote from: 6s2055 on June 01, 2025, 09:33:07 PMA box? Guessing someone had more made. I started these originally for the help with the lawsuit defense fund.Had 1000 made by a shop in Carson City. At the time thought it was a creative way to raise funds.

They probably ran out of them. At that time CS was suing ALL the kit manufacturers. ALL the parts sellers that were offering repop stuff, They had sent cease and desist letters to ALL the car clubs national and local that were using trademarks he claimed to own. The club letters had a very low dollar amount to obtain a "license" for the name that your club had been incorporated with many years before. The alternative was hiring an attorney. The club fee was cheap - far less than even 1 hour with an attorney. Most knuckled under giving CS a pool of clubs that he could cite as "experts" who were siding with him in his suits. He wanted big $ per kit/part that had been produced and ongoing $ for each one that was produced later. Factory 5 fought the suit and won. Basically the decision stated Ford owned the names (except Shelby) and Shelby owned the trade dress (Cobra shape). The courts held CS had lost the rights to trade dress many years before for not aggressively protecting it when the copies were first introduced. Those that had signed rather than fighting the licensing agreement are still paying today.

I remembered back when Ford went after the Mustang Clubs that produced their own Calendars saying that Ford owns the Rights to the Mustangs and they can not produce those Calendars without permission from Ford.

Quote from: 6s2055 on June 01, 2025, 09:33:07 PMA box? Guessing someone had more made. I started these originally for the help with the lawsuit defense fund.Had 1000 made by a shop in Carson City. At the time thought it was a creative way to raise funds.

Well, a few weeks ago it was starting to look like we might need them again. But that ship has sailed. So now I've just got extras...need some?

Dave, that would be great! Just a couple. I did have some left over but somehow they got misplaced along with other memorabilia including the certificates of thank you. Have had trouble trying to PM on site but you can get my info in members only. Thank you!