Just No!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-Ford-Mustang-Chrome/401593471138?hash=item5d80d610a2:g:v2UAAOSwjlJbfJN4&vxp=mtr
VIN (Vehicle Identification Number): 67400F5A01528
This vehicle is perfect project car for someone who wants to make there own "Eleanor". This was my dads high school car he's the 2nd owner. Needs some love but will become something extra special if your willing.
There's minimal rust. Engine is disassembled heads and intake manifold are off. Door panels are also off but we do have them, metal door plate is also off but we also have. Body is clean but paint has some chips. Really this is a beautiful piece of American history. Make it yours!!!!
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Eleanore,,, :are you nutz ? :(
Is that a real Shelby?
from the VIN he shows, and checking the registry it's a GT500 ?
That's where people that don't know much should stay away. That's a CONTENDER not a PRETENDER OOOOOH YEAH ;)
Cool car...I would give the guy decent cash to leave me(and my hand tools,liquid wrench,etc.)alone with the car for a half hour...... ;D
Thanks for posting.
I didn't realize it had black GT500 side stripe on it until I saved the side view and did a brightness adjustment. The engine block looks very dry, as if it's been sitting unassembled for many years. Hopefully it is a good candidate for a rebuild. Maybe some surface rust but overall definitely worth saving. Forget the Eleanor comment, the buyer is just trying to market the car to a larger audience. Too bad they didn't post a photo of the VIN plate. I'm guessing no Z stamp.
Quote from: 427heaven on September 03, 2018, 06:35:42 PM
That's where people that don't know much should stay away. That's a CONTENDER not a PRETENDER OOOOOH YEAH ;)
If you bought/restored it you'd only be about 30 grand upside down when you were done.
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on September 03, 2018, 09:00:04 PM
Quote from: 427heaven on September 03, 2018, 06:35:42 PM
That's where people that don't know much should stay away. That's a CONTENDER not a PRETENDER OOOOOH YEAH ;)
If you bought/restored it you'd only be about 30 grand upside down when you were done.
Only someone that doesn't know how to work on there cars or has to pay for every little thing, would be upside down... Not myself ;) Besides that's where he started not where he would sell it!
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on September 03, 2018, 09:00:04 PM
If you bought/restored it you'd only be about 30 grand upside down when you were done.
If it is going to take $62,000 to buy it, yup.
I always chuckle when people that are selling a car water it down and take pictures thinking it makes it look better.
Quote from: Greg on September 04, 2018, 08:18:40 AM
I always chuckle when people that are selling a car water it down and take pictures thinking it makes it look better.
That's called the 'wet look'!
Quote from: 427heaven on September 03, 2018, 11:35:35 PM
Only someone that doesn't know how to work on there cars or has to pay for every little thing, would be upside down... Not myself ;) Besides that's where he started not where he would sell it!
Depends on what your time is valued at. For someone that could do all the work themselves, it will easily consume 1000-1500 hours to do a full restoration. Maybe a little less depending on how nice the body is.
This is what I predict it would cost to have a nice show car.....if you want to take it to the top, obviously the cost goes up.
$62k - Car
$15k for the motor if its all there and salvageable
$35-40K in body and paint work
$10-15k in Misc (trans, rear resto included)
= $132,000 "best case"
That car is begging to be saved...
Quote from: Greg on September 04, 2018, 03:51:45 PM
This is what I predict it would cost to have a nice show car.....if you want to take it to the top, obviously the cost goes up.
$62k - Car
$15k for the motor if its all there and salvageable
$35-40K in body and paint work
$10-15k in Misc (trans, rear resto included)
= $132,000 "best case"
You forgot $25k for NOS parts from Pookie.
Quote from: BGlover67 on September 04, 2018, 04:40:35 PM
Quote from: Greg on September 04, 2018, 03:51:45 PM
This is what I predict it would cost to have a nice show car.....if you want to take it to the top, obviously the cost goes up.
$62k - Car
$15k for the motor if its all there and salvageable
$35-40K in body and paint work
$10-15k in Misc (trans, rear resto included)
= $132,000 "best case"
LOL ....... your right ;D
You forgot $25k for NOS parts from Pookie.
Maybe its just me but I think this is a great car for someone looking to get into a '67 500 at the low end and its a good color and 4 spd car . If your in business and thinking of restoring and selling then maybe not the car. But If it's your hobby then who cares what it cost. IT'S A HOBBY, right? especially if you are mechanically inclined and motivated.
I mean if you go hunting you do not keep track of how much each gun costs and hunting licence and all your ammo you shoot . Targets and range time and hunting trips. Golf do you keep track of all the golf trips or course fees, lost balls, broken tees, think NOT. Do we dare talk about fishing!! That List is endless.
The point is you do not expect to make money in any other hobby so why think that way for this hobby you will find more enjoyment in the car hobby if you do not put a dollar amount on everything that you do or do not do to the car of your dreams.
Not every car needs to be restored to concours standards there is nothing wrong with a great restoration and driving it .
Now to get back to burning the rest of my NIKE sneakers!!! ;) ;D :P
Dominic
^^
This
Quote from: DC-DD on September 04, 2018, 07:47:12 PM
Maybe its just me but I think this is a great car for someone looking to get into a '67 500 at the low end and its a good color and 4 spd car . If your in business and thinking of restoring and selling then maybe not the car. But If it's your hobby then who cares what it cost. IT'S A HOBBY, right? especially if you are mechanically inclined and motivated.
I mean if you go hunting you do not keep track of how much each gun costs and hunting licence and all your ammo you shoot . Targets and range time and hunting trips. Golf do you keep track of all the golf trips or course fees, lost balls, broken tees, think NOT. Do we dare talk about fishing!! That List is endless.
The point is you do not expect to make money in any other hobby so why think that way for this hobby you will find more enjoyment in the car hobby if you do not put a dollar amount on everything that you do or do not do to the car of your dreams.
Not every car needs to be restored to concours standards there is nothing wrong with a great restoration and driving it .
Now to get back to burning the rest of my NIKE sneakers!!! ;) ;D :P
Dominic
Well said Dominic!
Jon
The car is worth saving, no doubt.
But even if you are doing as a hobbyist, it is nice to know you aren't in a hole too deep as you write check after check.
There are not too many opportunities left to get into the entry level Shelby hobby, this is where opportunity is knocking. Remember a few years back we all cried about how we needed to spend 10k-25k to get a classic SHELBY. That was a time as is now- you buy,wrench,race,show,admire to your hearts content and when your done hopefully you can make a buck or 2 ;) Don't worry about the cash worry about having fun before you cant! ;)
Anyone have any luck speaking to the seller? Be nice to know what engine parts are there, or not. Any other missing parts? Anyone know the car? Thanks
Dominic nails it
Absolutely nails it!
Agreed! Well said!
Yep well said, right on the money
I've been playing with old Stangs since around 1994.
About 7 years ago I got back into them pretty strong and have owned a few since then.
7 years ago I moved to a new town, didn't know many car guys at all.
Much of the fun for me has been networking and meeting new car people and making connections to get work done at what I
feel is a reasonable price. I've made some great friends in the process.
I like what Dom said. Not everything has to be done at a $100/hr labor rate to make a really nice car.
Just my 2 cents tho.
Quote from: 2112 on September 04, 2018, 08:57:58 PM
The car is worth saving, no doubt.
But even if you are doing as a hobbyist, it is nice to know you aren't in a hole too deep as you write check after check.
Its only money...
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Not every car needs to be restored to concours standards there is nothing wrong with a great restoration and driving it .
Now to get back to burning the rest of my NIKE sneakers!!! ;) ;D :P
Dominic
Could not agree more..not every car should be restored. I would rather look at this car than a concours car any day
Quote from: Greg on September 04, 2018, 03:51:45 PM
This is what I predict it would cost to have a nice show car.....if you want to take it to the top, obviously the cost goes up.
$62k - Car
$15k for the motor if its all there and salvageable
$35-40K in body and paint work
$10-15k in Misc (trans, rear resto included)
= $132,000 "best case"
$35 to $40K for Paint & Body? Wow, How many Naps, Smoke Breaks and Monkeying around are you paying for?
Quote from: tesgt350 on September 05, 2018, 10:16:18 AM
Quote from: Greg on September 04, 2018, 03:51:45 PM
This is what I predict it would cost to have a nice show car.....if you want to take it to the top, obviously the cost goes up.
$62k - Car
$15k for the motor if its all there and salvageable
$35-40K in body and paint work
$10-15k in Misc (trans, rear resto included)
= $132,000 "best case"
$35 to $40K for Paint & Body? Wow, How many Naps, Smoke Breaks and Monkeying around are you paying for?
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$35 to $40K for Paint & Body? Wow, How many Naps, Smoke Breaks and Monkeying around are you paying for?
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LOL!!!
^^^
Just goes to show how many are unaware of the cost of paint and body done correctly (not Maaco or your local shop ;) )
What do you all think its going to cost to get Little Red into paint (paint and body)?
Most body shop labor is $75 or more per hour. To take a car like this to concours level paint/body would be a minimum of 500 hours, plus materials. If the car is pristine metal, very minimal body work required, maybe a little less... but I would wager that a car like that would cost more upfront anyway, so the difference is a wash.
+1
I agree there a lot of people that think they are going to get by for a few thousand dollars. If its done correctly, its going to be expensive
I dont see parts on that estimate...you are not going to reuse any rubber or get away without buying some replacement items
If you are questioning those numbers, Im guessing you havent built a show car, because you cant cheat with cheap reproduction parts either
Maybe there is a paint and body guy that will chime in?
Quote from: CharlesTurner on September 05, 2018, 11:37:15 AM
Most body shop labor is $75 or more per hour. To take a car like this to concours level paint/body would be a minimum of 500 hours, plus materials. If the car is pristine metal, very minimal body work required, maybe a little less... but I would wager that a car like that would cost more upfront anyway, so the difference is a wash.
I have done lots of Body work and I have even spent time writing Body Repair Estimates at a local Body Shop and the Body Shop Owner couldn't believe how accurate I was on the Time Needed for the Repairs. Most reputable Shops would lower the Hourly Rate on the Big Jobs like what you are talking about because those are the Gravy jobs while the Insurance and smaller Jobs are the Meat & Potato's of the business.
Quote from: Chris Thauberger on September 05, 2018, 11:21:41 AM
^^^
Just goes to show how many are unaware of the cost of paint and body done correctly (not Maaco or your local shop ;) )
What do you all think its going to cost to get Little Red into paint (paint and body)?
I think most are understanding what a quality paint job costs on here. The difference is CRAIG can and will pay 30-50k for a possible paint job, HELL why not make it 100k right :-\ That's the sliding scale... Can he afford it, of course he can, and he will pay more than a regular schmoe to get that job done.
If you are not going to do any of the work yourself. and hire out whole job its 800-1000 hours. I would say about 1/2 is paint and body . plus parts that all depends on where you want it to finish !
Quote from: tesgt350 on September 05, 2018, 10:16:18 AM
$35 to $40K for Paint & Body? Wow, How many Naps, Smoke Breaks and Monkeying around are you paying for?
Paint starts at $25,000 in my area too.
And that is on a super nice specimen that you brought to them perfectly disassembled, cleaned and ready to go.
Of course, I am not talking about production facilities doing insurance repairs.
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I think most are understanding what a quality paint job costs on here. The difference is CRAIG can and will pay 30-50k for a possible paint job, HELL why not make it 100k right :-\ That's the sliding scale... Can he afford it, of course he can, and he will pay more than a regular schmoe to get that job done.
Since you want to make it personal, I think its a little disrespectful to say someone is going to charge more, because the customer has more money.
I think the people restoring the car have a little more integrity than that and probably wouldnt enjoy the good reputation they have, if that were accurate.
The number of hours it takes doesnt change to do the work.
Im curious why these "regular schmoes" who are getting their "show cars" done so much cheaper arent bringing those cars out for recognition?
Not every owner wants a concourse restoration. Not every car deserves a concours restoration.
Jon
I'm out and about in red but generally a blur on the road. I don't wait around too long to be seen. If I did I might get rear ended. I did win a local show last year. My car was done in the 90s by Legendary Motor Car. She's a day eleventeen car and highly offensive to anything concourse. So I am not thinking 4 dimensionally here. Prices in the 90s for paint and body are not prices currently. I concede that paint and body is very expensive these days but look at the artwork you get when it's all done. It is worth it and restoration looks like hard work to boot. Restorers earn every bit of their money and they deserve to make a profit as does everybody else in their chosen fields of endeavor. And mine felt costly in the 90s at my then young age of 30. Hell it likely cost me my first marriage. She left but the Shelby stayed. I don't regret the cost of the restoration one bit. In the words of Da Vinci when a woman complained about the cost of his painting that took him but a couple hours to create. "You are not paying for two hours of work but the 25 years it took to get to this point."
Best,
Richard E.
Quote from: DC-DD on September 04, 2018, 07:47:12 PM
Maybe its just me but I think this is a great car for someone looking to get into a '67 500 at the low end and its a good color and 4 spd car . If your in business and thinking of restoring and selling then maybe not the car. But If it's your hobby then who cares what it cost. IT'S A HOBBY, right? especially if you are mechanically inclined and motivated.
I mean if you go hunting you do not keep track of how much each gun costs and hunting licence and all your ammo you shoot . Targets and range time and hunting trips. Golf do you keep track of all the golf trips or course fees, lost balls, broken tees, think NOT. Do we dare talk about fishing!! That List is endless.
The point is you do not expect to make money in any other hobby so why think that way for this hobby you will find more enjoyment in the car hobby if you do not put a dollar amount on everything that you do or do not do to the car of your dreams.
Not every car needs to be restored to concours standards there is nothing wrong with a great restoration and driving it .
Now to get back to burning the rest of my NIKE sneakers!!! ;) ;D :P
Dominic
Well said Dom...and Pete. I could not agree more.
And we have gone off the rails again...my apologies
Its the only way..
Quote from: Coralsnake on September 05, 2018, 03:30:17 PM
And we have gone off the rails again...
One of things I like about this joint. 8)
Quote from: 2112 on September 05, 2018, 04:09:39 PM
Quote from: Coralsnake on September 05, 2018, 03:30:17 PM
And we have gone off the rails again...
One of things I like about this joint. 8)
... no one driving the train... :o
Reminds me of the story of the blind one armed paint and body guy that answers to the name of LUCKY. We don't know who is luckier the painter or the customer paying 40thousand dollars plus for a paint job. We all use different people for different reasons and this is a classic example of why we do that.
They are all good perspectives. The materials alone to paint a car now days are out of sight.
I would like for anyone to call a few reputable shops to see what the hourly rates are and I bet you will find my numbers are pretty close. Now keep in mind, some will say you don't need a paint job that great if you are going to drive it and just have fun. As these cars are increasing in value you are only putting equity into it by doing it right and it will cost you up front to do so. When some are selling their cars for $200K and you have offers for yours at $130K because its a Joe Blow body/paint job, you might question your decision.
This a very fun hobby but I also value my time. Even at 500hrs which would be light for this particular car IMO, would cost you $30K for body and paint. If you have a reputable guy that does top quality work for $30/hr please share it with the group and we will cover him up.. ;D. I have seen them as high as $100/hr and middle of the road at $60/hr. It all depends on how correct you want to go.
Quote from: Greg on September 05, 2018, 10:48:56 PM
If you have a reputable guy that does top quality work for $30/hr please share it with the group and we will cover him up.. ;D. I have seen them as high as $100/hr and middle of the road at $60/hr. It all depends on how correct you want to go.
The fun is finding the $30/hr guy. Usually it takes becoming friends with the right people and the services are not offered to everyone.
Quote from: stangman39 on September 06, 2018, 10:36:59 AM
Quote from: Greg on September 05, 2018, 10:48:56 PM
If you have a reputable guy that does top quality work for $30/hr please share it with the group and we will cover him up.. ;D. I have seen them as high as $100/hr and middle of the road at $60/hr. It all depends on how correct you want to go.
The fun is finding the $30/hr guy. Usually it takes becoming friends with the right people and the services are not offered to everyone.
Agreed- And to find someone or shop that has the work ethic to do the work as promised without the smoke breaks, cell phone distractions, doughnut runs, parts runs, show up late-leave early scenarios. Don't kid yourself we have all been there, you are going to pay for these distractions. Some are just more financially able then others,the true fun is knowing you FOUND a person or shop that gives you your monies worth. Lets leave out the derogatory,negative,making personal- spin on things and move this hobby along so we can all benefit from others experiences.
Holey Smokes, I'm never painting mine
The next guy can :-)
I am very thankful for folks who restore these cars to 11/10ths
It preserves these works of art
Quote from: deathsled on September 04, 2018, 04:23:05 PM
That car is begging to be saved...
Tempted to just take a drive to get a few more pictures and see what isn't showing in the ad
Quote from: J_Speegle on September 06, 2018, 11:44:19 PM
Quote from: deathsled on September 04, 2018, 04:23:05 PM
That car is begging to be saved...
Tempted to just take a drive to get a few more pictures and see what isn't showing in the ad
I hope you do. I am curious if "There's minimal rust." is by CA west coast standards or east coast standards ;) .
Depending on how long it was in Portland, OR (registry states it sold in Portland at Ron Tonkin Auto Sales), there definitely could be "Minimal Rust". The rain in Western Oregon is not good on cars. I agree a personal inspection would be best before committing to this car based on the lack of detail photos in the auction.
I hope someone gets it and shares progress with us here.
There's a really simple answer that I can't believe you're all missing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkdtOOYdQOs
Ebay photos and description brought to you by a millennial with minimal interest! (not even called a Shelby Mustang in the title but rather a Ford Mustang)otherwise the kid would be picking up the torch from his father and this thread would never have come into existence. Sad.
Quote from: silverton_ford on September 07, 2018, 01:14:45 AM
Depending on how long it was in Portland, OR (registry states it sold in Portland at Ron Tonkin Auto Sales), there definitely could be "Minimal Rust". The rain in Western Oregon is not good on cars. I agree a personal inspection would be best before committing to this car based on the lack of detail photos in the auction.
I hope someone gets it and shares progress with us here.
They still salt roads in Washington state. They are going back to salt after using urea (also nasty) as it is a natural product.
Quote from: BGlover67 on September 07, 2018, 06:08:25 AM
There's a really simple answer that I can't believe you're all missing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkdtOOYdQOs
May have to do that if you pay the asking.
Not saying the car isn't worth saving ::)
Meanwhile the poor Shelby sits there on a patch of turf and cracked cement saying in quiet whispers, won't anyone love me? Won't anyone save me and once more caress my steering wheel and show me the big outside world that I once drank up with pleasure? How I long for those times once more, just me and my owner traveling at speed down a dazzling two lane highway. Please don't dismantle me. Please don't crush me...I still have value in this world don't I? I promise to be a loyal and faithful companion if you give me one more chance. Just one more chance...
Quote from: deathsled on September 07, 2018, 01:58:24 PM
Meanwhile the poor Shelby sits there on a patch of turf and cracked cement saying in quiet whispers, won't anyone love me? Won't anyone save me and once more caress my steering wheel and show me the big outside world that I once drank up with pleasure? How I long for those times once more, just me and my owner traveling at speed down a dazzling two lane highway. Please don't dismantle me. Please don't crush me...I still have value in this world don't I? I promise to be a loyal and faithful companion if you give me one more chance. Just one more chance...
Well said, deathsled. Well said.
On a slightly different tangent, does anyone have insight into the license plate shown in the pictures (FFX 969)? It is definitely a period correct vintage Oregon (1965-1973) license plate. However, June seems a little early for a car supposedly sold to first owner in August 1967.
Abbreviated excerpt from the registry:
Completed 4/11/67, shipped 4/19/67 to Ron Tonkin in Portland, OR. Sold to original owner 8/30/67.
Insights/comments?
Comment: Trade-in Plate transfer. In other words, they had those plates on a car they traded in for that one.
We have a bid at $62k and almost two days to go..anyone on the forum?
Love is on the way..... Its one of us- ;)
Quote from: roddster on September 08, 2018, 12:21:56 PM
Comment: Trade-in Plate transfer. In other words, they had those plates on a car they traded in for that one.
Thanks for the thought. In Oregon the license plate assigned at first Oregon title stayed with the vehicle post private sale or trade in.
Then could we assume that the plate is most likely the first issued to this car?
Looks like the seller got back to someone.
Hopefully it was someone here
Says the auction ended with zero bids. Last time I checked before auction's end, there were two bids. I wonder if a deal was brokered. Otherwise back to the austere confines of a dark garage unnoticed, uncared for and ultimately...unloved.
There were five bids as of last night; who's the lucky buyer?
Sounds like the auction was ended early?
I truly hope someone got it. From the pictures at least, it looks like a lot of car to work with. That was the case with 6s843. A scrumptious California body.
The highest bid cancelled had a $65k max
Who's the lucky owner? 8)
You'd be William Munny out of Missouri. Killer of women and children. (Sorry couldn't resist based on above poster's name.)
Anyone find out anymore information on this car