https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-ford-shelby-gt500-6/
Quote from: 5s386 on November 26, 2024, 09:50:40 PMhttps://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-ford-shelby-gt500-6/
One mans restored is another ........
I'll just leave this here
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Nice car !
He says it is well known in the SAAC community
So is 1968 #3900 😂
That might not be a good thing
Well if you think about it shelby owned all of our cars as his name is still on them all RIGHT haha
Quote from: Bill on November 27, 2024, 05:57:16 AMQuote from: 5s386 on November 26, 2024, 09:50:40 PMhttps://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-ford-shelby-gt500-6/
One mans restored is another ........
I'll just leave this here
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What the heck? Did the original plate get cut out with a torch?
Not to mention they are in the wrong positions and reproductions
I noticed that who ever replaced the floor pan used a pan that doesnt even have open drain holes.
Please have the car inspected if you're interested
Just my opinions, but certainly not up minimum standards.
Dont know how u can get tags in wrong place as the holes are different sizes on the 2 tags.
Which leads to ...is it a 1969 door?
Quote from: Coralsnake on November 28, 2024, 08:51:15 AMNot to mention they are in the wrong positions and reproductions
I noticed that who ever replaced the floor pan used a pan that doesnt even have open drain holes.
Please have the car inspected if you're interested
Just my opinions, but certainly not up minimum standards.
pass inner door or skin is neither 69 or 70. DS door appears to be a 70 door but hard to tell. Need a better closeup of the bottom inner corner
question to seller who restored the car....he states well known by the Shelby community but does not know who restored the car? Huh?
Quote from: SCJSTU on November 28, 2024, 07:34:36 PMquestion to seller who restored the car....he states well known by the Shelby community but does not know who restored the car? Huh?
I love the quality of the paintwork in the picture above. I didn't look any further.
It doesnt really matter who did it, its more about how it was done.
Here are 2 door pics. driver's door appears to have the indention for the 70 Mach1 molding and the outer skin hem isn't right. On the pass door ZERO panel stiffeners in the area marked plus the hem metal was never like that on a 69 or 70 door so a repo door.
Quote from: SCJSTU on November 28, 2024, 07:34:36 PMquestion to seller who restored the car....he states well known by the Shelby community but does not know who restored the car? Huh?
You are SCF100...
OK, what is happening here?
Pat
here is some recent sales history
Im guessing thats from when they murdered the bodyman
Quote from: Coralsnake on November 30, 2024, 10:16:04 AMIm guessing thats from when they murdered the bodyman
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I dont think so. But, neither are the doors, floors or warranty tags
Quote from: SCJSTU on November 30, 2024, 10:10:46 AMhere is some recent sales history
At the risk of piling on, looks like an "education car" possibly. Uneducated or uninformed buyer buys the car then is enlightened then move it on to the next buyer. We've all seen examples of this over the years and have our stories. Of new people in the hobby don't understand that EVERYTHING means something and communicates something to the experienced or educated buyer.
and now pictures from underneath...........a true northen convertible
If you are welding in full floor pan, why wouldnt you weld on the parking brake bracket?
Ugly...
... then there is the sawzall cut across the torque box.
"Nice"
After reviewing that photo. I see now that appears to be the floor. That is one level up from license plate repair
Quote from: Coralsnake on December 02, 2024, 10:27:36 AMIf you are welding in full floor pan, why wouldnt you weld on the parking brake bracket?
Because the clueless restorers didn't know they needed it until they went to hook up the E brake which was after they smeared all of the gunk on and painted it black. Bolting it on was the quicky fix. What a mess under there. ::)
Do you think thats painted black or just e coated?
Quote from: Coralsnake on December 02, 2024, 10:27:36 AMIf you are welding in full floor pan, why wouldnt you weld on the parking brake bracket?
You likely bought a "concours correct" floor pan and assumed that all you had to do was weld it in. When floor pans first became available (for any year) a lot of builders found out the hard way that they didn't automatically come with all the brackets and "concours correct" . Remember the floor rib design as another feature that needed attention.
Have inspected a dozen or more 69's with the same drain holes not cut out over the years. Level of work on a number of those match the level we're seeing on this example
Quote from: Coralsnake on December 02, 2024, 02:07:09 PMDo you think thats painted black or just e coated?
Looks (from the picture) the same look and finish as over the sealant so I'm guessing paint. Edge to edge
FUgly............
The flip side is that for those of us who own "correct" verts, the high prices being paid for let's say "questionable cars", is of great value...
recent comment from the seller....."happy to do my best to be transparent. Honestly I was shocked how nice it is underneath as I never really saw it before. Really is a nice honest straight forward car"
All I can say is...............turn the lights on buddy
"Its the nicest one (only one) I have ever seen"
Someone literally put it together with a spare road sign based on-the photos.
Everyone one of these people buying these cars sight unseen deserves to take a bath
Quote from: Coralsnake on December 03, 2024, 01:40:44 PMEveryone one of these people buying these cars sight unseen deserves to take a bath
Yes......its a tough way to learn though........as PT Barnum once said 'there's a new sucker born everyday'
Quote from: SCJSTU on December 03, 2024, 03:01:01 PM..................as PT Barnum once said 'there's a new sucker born everyday'
Maybe another line was:
"There's an a$$ for every seat" ::)
Scott.
Looks to me like the only people really making money on this car is last 4 auction commissions in last 2 years. You would think the last 4 buyers would have fixed the car before reselling to improve it to make a little profit but instead the auction house makes money reselling it AGAIN!!
Can we please now debunk the "owned by shelby" story line.
There are plenty of cars that years ago, were titled in CS name to add a perceived value, yet CS never touched the car, or actually owned it. ::)
I think that it's great the members of this group try to inform and educate both buyers and sellers even if the seller doesn't listen. I attended an auction that was near my location and saw vehicles that could be described as sketchy at best. A member of my car club has had to fix cars people have bought at auctions.
Quote from: Bill on December 04, 2024, 08:10:10 AMCan we please now debunk the "owned by shelby" story line.
There are plenty of cars that years ago, were titled in CS name to add a perceived value, yet CS never touched the car, or actually owned it. ::)
Wasn't even owned by Shelby.....was owned by the Shelby Foundation
Now infamous!
Before the end of auction a few of us had been discussing many cars including this one on BaT through a group text chat that was started about a month ago. Me and 3 Canadian friends. We discuss Fords and Pontiacs mostly. One of my friends was asking hard questions and I bit my tongue on the auction to the seller's "outright lies" and the term was said to me from a FORMER owner of this car who will remain nameless at his request. No trunk pics? No lower rear quarter pics?Rear frame rail pics? Parts missing. Parts not installed right. The door jambs looked like they bondoed the rear quarter to B pillar so the quarter edge is missing. Too many vague pics but the pass door look like a foreign repo unit and the DS looks to be a 70. I got tired of the seller crowing about his "Stellar Reputation" and the "fact" Shelby owned the car and can you imagine him taking it out on a Saturday night to dinner. To put it this way a dealer on BaT told me this seller gives dealers a bad name. I'll leave it at that.
Then the kiss a$$es who crow about what a great car or the buyer got a great deal. Blah, Blah, Blah. Hey, as long as the new owner is happy that is all that matters. I wish he would join here as I reached out to him saying the SAAC community would help him if he wanted it. In the end we are all here to promote our hobby and part of that promoting I believe is to help people not to get ripped off on scams, clones(rebodies), mis represented cars.
Quote from: SCJSTU on December 04, 2024, 09:04:29 AMQuote from: Bill on December 04, 2024, 08:10:10 AMCan we please now debunk the "owned by shelby" story line.
There are plenty of cars that years ago, were titled in CS name to add a perceived value, yet CS never touched the car, or actually owned it. ::)
Wasn't even owned by Shelby.....was owned by the Shelby Foundation
Lets see the car was appraised for 300K when donated. If the person who donated a car he bought for less than possibly 100K gets that 300K value in 2015 as a donation isn't that a little illegal? Not only that it was donated years after Carroll had departed this earth.
The seller has been good flooding the zone with testimonials and redirection.
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on December 04, 2024, 10:20:37 AMBefore the end of auction a few of us had been discussing many cars including this one on BaT through a group text chat that was started about a month ago. Me and 3 Canadian friends. We discuss Fords and Pontiacs mostly. One of my friends was asking hard questions and I bit my tongue on the auction to the seller's "outright lies" and the term was said to me from a FORMER owner of this car who will remain nameless at his request. No trunk pics? No lower rear quarter pics?Rear frame rail pics? Parts missing. Parts not installed right. The door jambs looked like they bondoed the rear quarter to B pillar so the quarter edge is missing. Too many vague pics but the pass door look like a foreign repo unit and the DS looks to be a 70. I got tired of the seller crowing about his "Stellar Reputation" and the "fact" Shelby owned the car and can you imagine him taking it out on a Saturday night to dinner. To put it this way a dealer on BaT told me this seller gives dealers a bad name. I'll leave it at that.
Then the kiss a$$es who crow about what a great car or the buyer got a great deal. Blah, Blah, Blah. Hey, as long as the new owner is happy that is all that matters. I wish he would join here as I reached out to him saying the SAAC community would help him if he wanted it. In the end we are all here to promote our hobby and part of that promoting I believe is to help people not to get ripped off on scams, clones(rebodies), mis represented cars.
Reading your Post, one guy popped into my head, that Pooky Guy that sells Fake Parts in Ford Boxes.
Quote from: Coralsnake on December 04, 2024, 12:08:23 PMThe seller has been good flooding the zone with testimonials and redirection.
trying to bury the 'White Noise' ;D ;D ;D
He hasn't been to the Saac forum if he thinks a bunch off topic posts from Florida are going to derail us.
8)
The "Stellar Seller" said : "I have been extremely open, transparent and honest with everyone I have ever dealt with. I earned this over a 50 year tenure as no one ever gave me anything I didn't earn. The shame of this entire situation is this particular car is 56 years old and for its age is probably one of the nicest cars I've ever had".Since I don't want to get into the warts on the BaT site I will here for anyone researching this car in the future. Please let me know if I'm off base on what I see.
1) rear quarters in door jambs are filled smooth indicating quarter panel replacement. So with quarters. Vert quarters are as rare as hens teeth. Repos? What type. No pics of the drop off areas to see if correct or not.
2) floors pretty much replaced. When floors are that bad chances are inner rockers are too. Were they addressed?
3) Doors. LH looks later 70. RH I've never seen before so must be repo.
4) No trunk light wiring
5) No pics of the inside of the trunk.
6) too many painted bolts and switches.
7) Missing tilt switch in A pillar.
8 ) missing smog
9)missing shifter seal
10)Vert visor header looks like crap(paint peeling?)
11) PB bracket bolted on
12)NAPA bolts for vert underside brace.
13)look at the rusty booster that came off the car
14)door plates mounted wrong and latch screws looked like they had the paint ground off of them
15)damaged A frame and crappy looking(not restored) lower area with NAPA spiral Rad hose clamp
16)Wrong hardware front valance and bumpers plus no valance blackout
17)DS headlight bucket damaged
18)Gold painted MC cap
19)Replaced suspension parts
20)spiral clamps on AC hoses, flex fan, wrong hardware on "smooth" fan shroud
21)Wrong horns
22)Painted hood latch
23)black painted grill
24)painted hood hinges and springs
25)Wrong battery cables
26)No heat shield or S tube
27)Wrong radiator cap
28)missing hood bumper
29) many painted bolts on core support and engine bay
30)inner hood incorrectly painted
31)Aftermarket Radiator
32)Aftermarket voltage regulator
33) Aftermarket starter solenoid
34) Export braces wrong paint
35)wrong coil
36) non factory wiring under hood
37)License plate bracket painted black
38)Wrong antenna
39)Rear Valance distorted out(?)
40)Ps side outer door handle screw isn't tight and painted(bottomed out?)
41) door speaker grill hardware incorrect
42) Window cranks appear to be "short"
43)no trim on brake pedal
44) door panel lights are not working
45)Both doors appear to have clear glass
46)Door window and qtr window stop hardware in all 4 places incorrect
47)glove box bumper missing
48)Screw holding Shelby console to the main console body(indicates broken spring clips on center Shelby piece)
49)"Blood" on wiper washer switch knob and bezel
50)Radio bezel worn out. AM radio but door speakers mounted
51)Wrong screws radio bezel
52)Chrome wore off dash bezels
53)Visor bumpers are cracked and yellowed
54)incorrect rear view mirror mount
55)Seat back handles improperly clocked plus DS has some type of spacer??
56)Boot snaps incorrect or missing
57)sill plates "too shiny"
58)Door felt pop riveted and not stapled
59)too big of a gap between rear Valance and quarters which leads to possible quarter replacement?
60)no backup light gaskets
61)Cheap exhaust
63)Aftermarket trans pan
64) wrong plastic wiring clamps in engine bay
With more pics I'm sure I could add to the list plus there are multiple things in some columns. My point? Well if you haven't figured it out go read the red quote from the seller. So the car is on par with his brand new Coyote engine Cobras he has sold? Not a chance. Feel free to add to the list.
To be clear most cars at auction we can make a list for. Most cars are not perfect including my cars. The point is he hyped the car up still after the "issues" were brought forth to him. I'm thinking to do this car right I'd have to find a rust free 1969 6 cyl or 302 vert and cannibalize it for all the sheet metal this car would need to make it just a correct bodied driver. I'm hoping for the new owner that the car is structurally good enough to enjoy as the paint looks really nice on it but the car has sold 4 TIMES this year alone.....
Good people can have shitty cars, I think people were turned off by the used car sales pitch
Quote from: Coralsnake on December 05, 2024, 11:49:18 AMGood people can have shitty cars, I think people were turned off by the used car sales pitch
well if i am ever in the market for a cobra replica, I know who to call
Must have had Stevie Wonder with him checking out the floors. :-[ "Stellar Reputation".. :o He has nothing to loose.
I posted the comment during that auction about the Warranty plate and Shelby plate on the DR door being in the wrong locations. Also in my post was a comment about information in the 69-70 Registry regarding previous ownership (including a US Marshals auction!) as well as the donation of the car to the Shelby Foundation. My hope was the seller and prospective buyers would take the time to do a quick read of the Registry because it clearly showed there was no personal ownership by C Shelby of that car.
Research is not happening over there
Its literally a history free zone
I cant believe the number of people who wont even read all the comments
And you know they dont read them because they are saying "nice car" after the cobble job is pointed out in explicit detail
"The floor pan is a piece of tin"
"why are you being so negative?"
When feelings are more important than facts. Sound familiar?
I've been waiting on someone to mention the front parking lights. They sure look funky, maybe swapped sides? :o
TOB
It will be interesting to see if the new owner feels the same later on.
Nothing there money cant fix!
Quote from: TOBKOB on December 06, 2024, 09:23:54 AMI've been waiting on someone to mention the front parking lights. They sure look funky, maybe swapped sides? :o
TOB
first pic is my car in 1970 .second pic is the auction car(crooked lamps).
Better pic of the lamps.