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Auction Description:
This 1966 Shelby Mustang GT350 was shipped to the Downey Auto Center of Downey, California, on October 19, 1966. It has been refinished in red with white stripes over a reupholstered black vinyl interior and is powered by a Shelby-modified 289ci HiPo V8 paired with a replacement four-speed manual transmission. Additional equipment includes front disc brakes, optional 10-spoke alloy wheels, a Holley four-barrel carburetor, a cast aluminum high-rise intake manifold, a steel-reinforced fiberglass hood, a wood-rim F.I.V. Secura steering wheel, a Sport Deck rear seat, and a dual exhaust system with an H-pipe and Flowmaster mufflers. This GT350 was acquired by the seller in 2005 and is now offered with the removed transmission, copies of Shelby American documents, a Shelby American Automobile Club serial number verification letter, a 1967 service record, and a clean California title in the seller's name.
The car left the factory finished in white with optional stripes and was repainted in red with white Le Mans stripes and GT350 side stripes during the 1990s. Exterior details include a steel-reinforced fiberglass hood with a center scoop as well as a driver-side mirror, functional brake-cooling side scoops, fixed plexiglass rear quarter windows, and chrome bumpers with rear bumperettes.
The car left the factory finished in white with optional stripes and was repainted in red with white Le Mans stripes and GT350 side stripes during the 1990s. Exterior details include a steel-reinforced fiberglass hood with a center scoop as well as a driver-side mirror, functional brake-cooling side scoops, fixed plexiglass rear quarter windows, and chrome bumpers with rear bumperettes.
In 2022, the front bucket and optional Sport Deck rear seats were reupholstered in black vinyl with weave-textured inserts, and the black carpet and headliner were also replaced. Interior details include front latch-and-link lap belts, rear lap belts, a heater/defroster, a locking glovebox, and a Kenwood cassette receiver.
A wood-rim F.I.V Secura steering wheel with a GT350 center cap fronts a 140-mph speedometer flanked by fuel-level, oil-pressure, charging, and coolant-temperature gauges. A Cobra-branded 9k-rpm tachometer with an adjustable redline is center-mounted atop the dash, and Ford Motorsport oil-pressure and coolant-temperature gauges are set below the ventilation controls on the bottom edge of the dash. The five-digit odometer shows 9k miles, approximately 4,500 of which were driven by the seller. True mileage is unknown.
The underside of the trunk lid bears a Carroll Shelby autograph dated April 6, 1991.
The Shelby-modified 289ci HiPo V8 is equipped with a cast aluminum high-rise intake manifold topped by a Holley four-barrel carburetor and a chrome open-element air cleaner as well as a baffled aluminum oil pan and ribbed aluminum valve covers. Long-tube headers flow into a dual exhaust system equipped with an H-pipe and Magnaflow mufflers. Advertised output was 306 horsepower and 329 lb-ft of torque.
Power is routed to the rear wheels through a four-speed manual transmission and a 9″ rear axle.
A copy of the Shelby American invoice to the Downey Auto Center, in Downey, California, is dated October 19, 1966, and lists the paint color along with optional alloy wheels, Rallye stripes, and rear seat at an additional cost of $304 for a total price of $3,902.75.
The car is accompanied by the removed Borg-Warner T-10 four-speed manual transmission as well as copies of Shelby American documents, a Shelby American Automobile Club serial number verification letter, a 1967 service record.
The bed liner looking application on everything on the underside and undercarriage components leaves a lot to be desired IMO.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on November 14, 2024, 08:14:48 PMThe bed liner looking application on everything on the underside and undercarriage components leaves a lot to be desired IMO.
Totally agreed! i wonder if it would go away with the dry ice blasting method ...and then how parts will looks like when cleaned up if they do....
Quote from: chris NOS on November 15, 2024, 07:47:55 AMQuote from: Bob Gaines on November 14, 2024, 08:14:48 PMThe bed liner looking application on everything on the underside and undercarriage components leaves a lot to be desired IMO.
Totally agreed! i wonder if it would go away with the dry ice blasting method ...and then how parts will looks like when cleaned up if they do....
I think it would be hard to remove all traces without a total disassembly and the car on a rotisserie. That is if the new owner wanted an original look.
Is it the original engine?
Hi all,
The tachometer on 6S2299 is the later style with the pointy needle, usually considered an OTC part. However, since this a very late build car, do you think it is the assembly line tachometer or service part? That style of tachometer was available in the early part of 1966. I have a April 14, 1966 tachometer, same style. Thoughts? When did Faria make the switch from straight needle to pointy needle? When did SAI start receiving the pointy needle later style tachometers?
Thanks
Cory
Are the stripes correct as far as tapered?
Quote from: 6s1640 on November 15, 2024, 10:22:13 PMHi all,
The tachometer on 6S2299 is the later style with the pointy needle, usually considered an OTC part. However, since this a very late build car, do you think it is the assembly line tachometer or service part? That style of tachometer was available in the early part of 1966. I have a April 14, 1966 tachometer, same style. Thoughts? When did Faria make the switch from straight needle to pointy needle? When did SAI start receiving the pointy needle later style tachometers?
Thanks
Cory
Hi Cory,
From my notes the latest straight needle tach I've seen was dated 11/20/66 and the earliest pointed needle tach was dated 3/17/66.
I see no reason why both could not have been used in late 66 GT350's.
Dave
Quote from: s2ms on November 16, 2024, 03:58:20 PMQuote from: 6s1640 on November 15, 2024, 10:22:13 PMHi all,
The tachometer on 6S2299 is the later style with the pointy needle, usually considered an OTC part. However, since this a very late build car, do you think it is the assembly line tachometer or service part? That style of tachometer was available in the early part of 1966. I have a April 14, 1966 tachometer, same style. Thoughts? When did Faria make the switch from straight needle to pointy needle? When did SAI start receiving the pointy needle later style tachometers?
Thanks
Cory
Hi Cory,
From my notes the latest straight needle tach I've seen was dated 11/20/66 and the earliest pointed needle tach was dated 3/17/66.
I see no reason why both could not have been used in late 66 GT350's.
Dave
I don't disagree that the wide base needle tach could be given a pass if seen on much later 66 Shelby production. It is typically considered a service replacement style. However the contoured base needle tach has been seen in early production and later production 66 GT360's which gives it a pass regardless of Shelby finish date. One style there is typically no doubt it is a assemblyline style regardless of where it is found in production and the other there can be doubt depending when it is found in production. I know which one I would rather have to eliminate any speculation. ;)
Quote from: chris NOS on November 15, 2024, 07:47:55 AMQuote from: Bob Gaines on November 14, 2024, 08:14:48 PMThe bed liner looking application on everything on the underside and undercarriage components leaves a lot to be desired IMO.
Totally agreed! i wonder if it would go away with the dry ice blasting method ...and then how parts will looks like when cleaned up if they do....
Being that it was sold new in Calf and is still in Calif if the car never left and came back I'd think the underside would look decent once that gook is off of there.
I would surmise its going to look like that Collins car that just went through.
Its not a miracle process and its probably easy to blast the original overspray off car.
Then you are stuck with whatever happens
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on November 17, 2024, 07:13:38 AMQuote from: chris NOS on November 15, 2024, 07:47:55 AMQuote from: Bob Gaines on November 14, 2024, 08:14:48 PMThe bed liner looking application on everything on the underside and undercarriage components leaves a lot to be desired IMO.
Totally agreed! i wonder if it would go away with the dry ice blasting method ...and then how parts will looks like when cleaned up if they do....
Being that it was sold new in Calf and is still in Calif if the car never left and came back I'd think the underside would look decent once that gook is off of there.
I would guess that any of the non invasive processes used to remove undercoating would not have much effect on the bed liner material given it is designed to adhere significantly to the metal of a bed liner and stand up to impact abuse. So good luck removing it without changing the underlying surface.
Agreed. If this is the bed liner or rock chip product applied to a clean undercarriage it was meant to be tough and hold up and will be difficult to remove without disturbing the finishes below. It's not undercoating
Other than the material on the underside for someone wanting the car to haul their kids around and not show the car in concours events anything glaring problems seen with the car as far as originality? I got a friend interested in the car.
Just asking, but what percentage would one think is the loss of having that underside in that shape...It looks like it is in good shape, but it really needs to be taken apart and get all the bolt on parts either cleaned and detailed or replaced, that means everything removed and reinstalled. It still would be better than, but while your there.....removing the bed liner, would be best, at that point it would be super nice.
Try to find a guy with work ethic to do that!!!! Also, is it me or does it look like it was sprayed on and nothing was removed on that underside? Not looking to insult, everyone can do what they want, but when it is for sale on some crazy auction site, it ends up biting them.
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on November 19, 2024, 07:16:49 AMYour post
The bigger problem is the hit to market value. The Shelby market seems heavily biased towards correct and removing cleaning the frame is going to require a complete disassembly which will be every bit of 50k.
So there was a long term owner. I'm trying to find out for a friend if it is the original engine in the car? The owner has not answered that. If I was a buyer I'd think more about the body condition and I've owned a few California cars and they all have been great underneath and easy to take part compared to Midwest cars. But I'm not. A friend is and he takes stock in if it has it's numbers matching engine in it. If I'm selling a 6 figure car for myself or a friend I'd have my ducks in a row before listing it. But to each his own. Seller could be losing out if he doesn't answer some questions in the next 2 days. I'm just glad my friend didn't wait to ask me on the last day.
Honestly i hope for the buyer price will reflect the work that need to be done to get this car back to original statut,don't forget this car suppose to be white too ...painted red in 1986 i guess you can expect some adging on the paint too.I would inspect this car in person before bidding on it , ho wait , i would inspect every Shelby before bidding on it !!
Quote from: chris NOS on November 19, 2024, 12:37:59 PMI would inspect this car in person before bidding on it , ho wait , i would inspect every Shelby before bidding on it !!
BAT bidders would disagree!! ;) ;)
;D True
And the undercoating dont mean nothin
color change, I have a 66 that was white and should be red, a simple paint job has been huge rig-a-row that took the fun out of it. NEVER again
I inspected this Shelby at Fontana Raceway when I attended SAAC-30. Yes, there are some issues
already observed by people on BAT, and I would encourage anyone who is a serious buyer to have it professionally inspected. You will be glad that you were proactive. (As you would any other Shelby at an expensive price)
Bid to $170,000. Reserve not met.
Deal made after bid - Winning offer: $175,000
I believe that the seller didn't know anything about the past restoration, and before resto photos. Some bidders and watchers made comments which were eventually dismissed. Seller did very well. I suspect the new buyer will have it professionally inspected soon.
NO matter what we all feel the price should be... The market has spoken and is continuing to climb. If someone will charge 50k to detail the bottom of a car, show them how you feel that they are number 1 in your book, CRAZY! ;D
Quote from: edd1e22 on November 19, 2024, 10:59:32 AMQuote from: shelbymann1970 on November 19, 2024, 07:16:49 AMYour post
The bigger problem is the hit to market value. The Shelby market seems heavily biased towards correct and removing cleaning the frame is going to require a complete disassembly which will be every bit of 50k.
What should be taken into account is all the original body panels on this car. A longtime friend owned this car before the seller and his words to me is that it is a great Calif car. So when you see some restored concours winning cars sell for well into the 200s if not popping 300K and I'd bet some had some major metal work done so what is an original paneled numbers matching car worth? One friend isn't sure about the block stamping on the K but my old friend who sold the car to the seller said it was numbers matching original engine car(he is long time friends with Craig Conley who put the original deal from my old friend to the seller 19 years ago). So at the end of the day you weigh all the factors that go into it and so one of my newer friends ended up paying 175K for the car. He plans on driving it and making memories with his kids with the car. Sounds like a "win" to me. Oh, yeah, I never get into prices of cars because every car is unique for the most parts and what factors in to someone when figuring out their limit might not factor into another. Emotion plays a big part for many.
Quote from: CharlesTurner on November 19, 2024, 03:42:29 PMQuote from: chris NOS on November 19, 2024, 12:37:59 PMI would inspect this car in person before bidding on it , ho wait , i would inspect every Shelby before bidding on it !!
BAT bidders would disagree!! ;) ;)
While Greg didn't inspect the car he had some knowledge I sent to him from Kerry the prior owner who when I found out Kevin bought it from Kerry(I REALLY need to look at these cars in my registries)while talking to Kevin on the phone I emailed Kerry about the car. Kerry said I could quote him " Hi Gary
With exception of color change 2299 was a great car.. numbers, original panels, cragar and wood wheel car , Black plates. I knew Dick M ( prior owner to me) well and Craig C knew him and the car as well. " so with this info Greg bid on the car. Well he was going to bid anyways.
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on November 22, 2024, 08:48:48 AMQuote from: CharlesTurner on November 19, 2024, 03:42:29 PMQuote from: chris NOS on November 19, 2024, 12:37:59 PMI would inspect this car in person before bidding on it , ho wait , i would inspect every Shelby before bidding on it !!
BAT bidders would disagree!! ;) ;)
While Greg didn't inspect the car he had some knowledge I sent to him from Kerry the prior owner who when I found out Kevin bought it from Kerry(I REALLY need to look at these cars in my registries)while talking to Kevin on the phone I emailed Kerry about the car. Kerry said I could quote him " Hi Gary
With exception of color change 2299 was a great car.. numbers, original panels, cragar and wood wheel car , Black plates. I knew Dick M ( prior owner to me) well and Craig C knew him and the car as well. " so with this info Greg bid on the car. Well he was going to bid anyways.
At the end of the day, as long as the buyer is happy with spending his hard earned money, who are we to question it. I'm just glad to hear he will be driving it.
Bill