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The Cars => 1968 Shelby GT350/500/500KR => Topic started by: hurlbird on June 25, 2024, 05:44:02 PM

Title: Correct latch area bolts etc.
Post by: hurlbird on June 25, 2024, 05:44:02 PM
as you can see im missing some bolts and the latch area needs a cleaning. Can some confirm which bolts are used here? it appears the center bolts must have a nut? the others have threads in the radiator support. Bolt design is important and colors as i want to be accurate. Thanks! -John
Title: Re: Correct latch area bolts etc.
Post by: Coralsnake on June 25, 2024, 05:52:51 PM
The two bolts shown are phosphated. The other four are bright silver.

There are no nuts, the radiator  hold down has nut inserts.

All bolts are same size as fender bolts
Title: Re: Correct latch area bolts etc.
Post by: hurlbird on June 25, 2024, 06:28:40 PM
thanks. the two center bots on mine are missing nutcerts i should conclude? what about the bar finish?
Title: Re: Correct latch area bolts etc.
Post by: hurlbird on June 25, 2024, 07:30:38 PM
can someone show me the nutserts I am missing (left and right of center)? I assume they must be secured in the radiator support vs. the latch bracket of course.. thanks
Title: Re: Correct latch area bolts etc.
Post by: Coralsnake on June 25, 2024, 07:32:55 PM
The nutserts are in the radiator bracket hold down

The bar is phosphate/black oxide
Title: Re: Correct latch area bolts etc.
Post by: hurlbird on June 25, 2024, 08:00:22 PM
thanks if they are in the bracket what purpose do they serve? think im missing something.. :)
Title: Re: Correct latch area bolts etc.
Post by: 68blk500c on June 25, 2024, 08:15:19 PM
The radiator hold down bracket is not in your picture.  It is black painted finish and has rubber pads that contact the top tank of the radiator.  It is bolted in with the parts in your picture to complete the assembly.
Please refer to the assembly manual.
Title: Re: Correct latch area bolts etc.
Post by: hurlbird on June 25, 2024, 10:25:48 PM
got it! ill need one i guess. thanks
Title: Re: Correct latch area bolts etc.
Post by: hurlbird on July 03, 2024, 03:38:03 PM
i got a bracket. I assume it slips behind the radiator support and in front of the radiator? This is a standard Mustang part? thanks
Title: Re: Correct latch area bolts etc.
Post by: Bob Gaines on July 03, 2024, 04:21:30 PM
Quote from: hurlbird on July 03, 2024, 03:38:03 PMi got a bracket. I assume it slips behind the radiator support and in front of the radiator? This is a standard Mustang part? thanks
Yes. Standard 67/68 Mustang part. You got this. :)
Title: Re: Correct latch area bolts etc.
Post by: J_Speegle on July 03, 2024, 04:35:34 PM
Just as a mention there is an early 67 version that was modified for later use. Original design was thought to damage the radiator according to Ford TSB. Modification was to round the corner edges a bit
Title: Re: Correct latch area bolts etc.
Post by: hurlbird on July 03, 2024, 04:41:13 PM
thanks
Title: Re: Correct latch area bolts etc.
Post by: hurlbird on July 04, 2024, 09:14:30 PM
im finishing things up and have a few questions more please... The latch and the bolts that hold it in place should all be black phosphate. Correct? I see topflight cars with these bright silver. The bolts that support the grill "chicken wire"... What color are these supposed to be? Or a link to correct engine compartment would be awesome. Thanks..
Title: Re: Correct latch area bolts etc.
Post by: Bob Gaines on July 05, 2024, 12:17:15 AM
Quote from: hurlbird on July 04, 2024, 09:14:30 PMim finishing things up and have a few questions more please... The latch and the bolts that hold it in place should all be black phosphate. Correct? I see topflight cars with these bright silver. The bolts that support the grill "chicken wire"... What color are these supposed to be? Or a link to correct engine compartment would be awesome. Thanks..
Re read reply #1.
Title: Re: Correct latch area bolts etc.
Post by: hurlbird on July 05, 2024, 06:08:32 AM
Yup saw that as noted. What about the others that hold the mesh? I understand the latch area. thanks
Title: Re: Correct latch area bolts etc.
Post by: hurlbird on July 05, 2024, 07:15:12 AM
Looking at the details of original photos from Peter's page it appears the only consistent coloring is in the latch area as noted above. Otherwise (forward of the radiator support) it seems to be some bright silver hardware some not. I have a 350 so ill follow this photo showing bright silver (horn, etc.)

https://www.thecoralsnake.com/ENGINE.html
Title: Re: Correct latch area bolts etc.
Post by: Coralsnake on July 05, 2024, 08:06:13 AM
Horn bolts are more commonly phosphated. They have a special serrated washer
Title: Re: Correct latch area bolts etc.
Post by: hurlbird on July 05, 2024, 09:30:35 AM
Thanks. other than the horn bolts does my logic of using the picture seem sensible to you?
Title: Re: Correct latch area bolts etc.
Post by: Coralsnake on July 05, 2024, 09:36:25 AM
A better option would be get the Shelby Assembly manual and use the bolt part numbers as a guide
Title: Re: Correct latch area bolts etc.
Post by: hurlbird on July 05, 2024, 12:01:36 PM
Apparently.... I thought some of you experts knew off the top of your heads. in this very thread, you can see inconsistent understanding of the proper finishes. I imagine others could benefit from this dialog.
Title: Re: Correct latch area bolts etc.
Post by: Coralsnake on July 05, 2024, 12:28:02 PM
I can assure you I am familiar with the finishes and head designs.



You know what they say about teaching a man to fish....
Title: Re: Correct latch area bolts etc.
Post by: hurlbird on July 05, 2024, 12:38:06 PM
 ::)
Title: Re: Correct latch area bolts etc.
Post by: Coralsnake on July 05, 2024, 12:52:53 PM
https://www.npdlink.com/product/unique-parts-manual-68-shelby/138075

Do you have this one?
Title: Re: Correct latch area bolts etc.
Post by: hurlbird on July 05, 2024, 01:38:24 PM
i do not. I could not find an "assembly manual" for sale online either. Is this parts manual one in same or at least close enough? thank you i will buy it if so.
Title: Re: Correct latch area bolts etc.
Post by: Coralsnake on July 05, 2024, 01:51:59 PM
That booklet shows the Shelby unique parts
Title: Re: Correct latch area bolts etc.
Post by: hurlbird on July 05, 2024, 01:53:00 PM
great
Title: Re: Correct latch area bolts etc.
Post by: Coralsnake on July 05, 2024, 01:56:28 PM
I think there six different 1968 books, you should have these as well. They cover the Mustang parts

https://www.amazon.com/1968-Ford-Mustang-Assembly-Manual/dp/B003XKIH54
Title: Re: Correct latch area bolts etc.
Post by: hurlbird on July 05, 2024, 04:14:27 PM
thanks
Title: Re: Correct latch area bolts etc.
Post by: Bob Gaines on July 05, 2024, 04:15:16 PM
Just as important as the 68 assemblyline manuals is the companion book AMK guide to fasteners which decodes the numbers in the assemblyline manual for the individual fasteners with a full size picture of the bolt or screw plus shows you how to identify the finish. https://www.npdlink.com/product/book-amk-guide-to-ford-fasteners/138107?
Title: Re: Correct latch area bolts etc.
Post by: hurlbird on July 06, 2024, 06:12:42 AM
wow...thanks for this. Does the judging community care about reproduction hardware vs. original?
Title: Re: Correct latch area bolts etc.
Post by: Coralsnake on July 06, 2024, 07:37:16 AM
You will not be able to tell the difference, the bolts sold by AMK are from OEM suppliers.

Yes the judging community cares about every aspect of a car
Title: Re: Correct latch area bolts etc.
Post by: hurlbird on July 06, 2024, 08:48:03 AM
that is good to know... I try to avoid repro but getting original bolts in great shape is very difficult as you know. Thanks
Title: Re: Correct latch area bolts etc.
Post by: Bob Gaines on July 06, 2024, 09:15:50 AM
Here is a new offering of the multiple separate factory assemblyline manuals put all in one book.
 https://www.npdlink.com/product/assembly-manual-1968-complete/217283?  National Parts Depot NPD for short is a class act vendor IMO.
Title: Re: Correct latch area bolts etc.
Post by: hurlbird on July 07, 2024, 08:12:58 PM
thanks