I am doing the first oil change on my 68 KR since I purchased her in September. I seem to be getting some conflicting information about how many quarts it will take on refill. Apparently, there was a TSB regarding this issue, perhaps in 1970. I even found a blurb about the dipstick part number, but it didn't apply to mine, which is a 6750-A. FROM A PRAGMATIC POINT OF VIEW, I COULD CERTAINLY JUST FILL THE CRANK CASE, CHECKING THE DIPSTICK UNTIL IT GOT TO WHERE I WANTED IT TO BE, BUT THERE SHOULD BE A REPRODUCIBLE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION. PLEASE INCLUDE INFORMATION ABOUT WHETHER THE VALUE DOES OR DOES NOT INCLUDE THE FILTER. Thanks Steve
The aluminum Shelby pan on your GT500 should hold 7 quarts plus the one quart for the filter. So every oil change should require 8 quarts.
Some info here and the TSB
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Quote from: Royce Peterson on May 30, 2024, 07:18:01 PMThe aluminum Shelby pan on your GT500 should hold 7 quarts plus the one quart for the filter. So every oil change should require 8 quarts.
No factory 60's GT500 regardless of year used a aluminum oil pan.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on May 30, 2024, 08:31:30 PMQuote from: Royce Peterson on May 30, 2024, 07:18:01 PMThe aluminum Shelby pan on your GT500 should hold 7 quarts plus the one quart for the filter. So every oil change should require 8 quarts.
No factory 60's GT500 regardless of year used a aluminum oil pan.
If it is the Ford steel oil pan you need 5 quarts including the filter. The TSB only applies to 1969 - 70 engines.
For future reference to save time start first with the owners manual. ;) Page 55 in this case.
Quote from: Royce Peterson on May 30, 2024, 08:52:01 PMQuote from: Bob Gaines on May 30, 2024, 08:31:30 PMQuote from: Royce Peterson on May 30, 2024, 07:18:01 PMThe aluminum Shelby pan on your GT500 should hold 7 quarts plus the one quart for the filter. So every oil change should require 8 quarts.
No factory 60's GT500 regardless of year used a aluminum oil pan.
If it is the Ford steel oil pan you need 5 quarts including the filter. The TSB only applies to 1969 - 70 engines.
Just to be crystal clear for those reading, that means 5 qt total . No extra oil is needed for the filter.
Well, my ex-wife often said I was lazy, but in this case, I just didn't know what to believe since I read all the different possibilities on the Internet; the TSB also confused me. And, as you can see from this particular thread, there were even varying opinions among the people who posted on the subject. Mine is a steel pan and thus 5 1/2 quart it is. Thanks again Steve.
NB: I tried to correct my error of saying "5 1/2 quarts" when I meant "5 quarts". I got it just screwed up there. Thanks Bob. Steve
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Quote from: Bob Gaines on May 30, 2024, 09:59:15 PMQuote from: Royce Peterson on May 30, 2024, 08:52:01 PMQuote from: Bob Gaines on May 30, 2024, 08:31:30 PMQuote from: Royce Peterson on May 30, 2024, 07:18:01 PMThe aluminum Shelby pan on your GT500 should hold 7 quarts plus the one quart for the filter. So every oil change should require 8 quarts.
No factory 60's GT500 regardless of year used a aluminum oil pan.
If it is the Ford steel oil pan you need 5 quarts including the filter. The TSB only applies to 1969 - 70 engines.
Just to be crystal clear for those reading, that means 5 qt total . No extra oil is needed for the filter.
Ah! The TSB refers to a "correction" to previous "advice". It is true that completely stock FE's only run 5-1/2 quarts but what happened was Ford started taking too many "waranty hits" with the introduction of the CJ.
"All of a sudden" people thought that they had "race cars" and the oil pans were getting pumped out of oil with not enough capacity.
In the true tradition of Ford's, "lets fix this cheaply", they decided the simple fix was just to add more oil. Not change the oil pans, just change the reading on the dipstick to indicate needing more oil at the original old "full" reading.
In fact, this adding more oil necessitated the introduction of the FE add on windage tray, simply because the oil level was now high enough to have the crankshaft spinning in oil. That was deemed, "not a good idea".
So really the answer to your question is a tricky one. It depends on what model year level that YOU want to run it at?
Two additional points. When you run a 428 at a SAAAC event, it is recommended that you add one additional quart. That is good advice.
Second. There were never any FE cast aluminum Cobra lettered oil pans made for the FE by Ford or Shelby. That was a product of Randy DiLisio's Super 'Stang Shop in the mid 1970's. Those pans will have a SSS moniker cast into them.
Current new versions are available from Tony Branda and have a TDB moniker.
Doug has some good information but I am afraid that too much info may be confusing for Steve the OP. For a stock 68 KR not run on the track 5 quarts of oil is what the Ford documentation suggests to use and consequently would be prudent to go by.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on May 31, 2024, 11:54:29 AMDoug has some good information but I am afraid that too much info may be confusing for Steve the OP. For a stock 68 KR not run on the track 5 quarts of oil is what the Ford documentation suggests to use and consequently would be prudent to go by.
Bob, Steve did not mention this car has an oil cooler. How much additional oil should he add?
Quote from: Rbwiii on May 31, 2024, 07:49:55 PMQuote from: Bob Gaines on May 31, 2024, 11:54:29 AMDoug has some good information but I am afraid that too much info may be confusing for Steve the OP. For a stock 68 KR not run on the track 5 quarts of oil is what the Ford documentation suggests to use and consequently would be prudent to go by.
Bob, Steve did not mention this car has an oil cooler. How much additional oil should he add?
Good question. Only A/C 67 and 68 GT500 cars received the oil cooler plus a extra short Fram oil filter(from the factory) for ground clearance. The shorter yet same diameter oil filter used on this special application has a decreased oil capacity compared to a typical stock FL1 oil filter. There is not a listing for the extra capacity that the oil cooler and lines adds in any Ford documentation that I am aware of. I would start with a half a quart then run the engine and re check. Add oil if any as needed. Of course things are dependent on if you use the short filter like factory on the A/C application or the longer filter.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on May 31, 2024, 08:07:05 PMQuote from: Rbwiii on May 31, 2024, 07:49:55 PMQuote from: Bob Gaines on May 31, 2024, 11:54:29 AMDoug has some good information but I am afraid that too much info may be confusing for Steve the OP. For a stock 68 KR not run on the track 5 quarts of oil is what the Ford documentation suggests to use and consequently would be prudent to go by.
Bob, Steve did not mention this car has an oil cooler. How much additional oil should he add?
Good question. Only A/C 67 and 68 GT500 cars received the oil cooler plus a extra short Fram oil filter(from the factory) for ground clearance. The shorter yet same diameter oil filter used on this special application has a decreased oil capacity compared to a typical stock FL1 oil filter. There is not a listing for the extra capacity that the oil cooler and lines adds in any Ford documentation that I am aware of. I would start with a half a quart then run the engine and re check. Add oil if any as needed. Of course things are dependent on if you use the short filter like factory on the A/C application or the longer filter.
Question from the peanut gallery. I've never had a car with the oil cooler and never looked into them. Is it part of the oil change process to drain the cooler? If so, then I can see adding the additional for the cooler. But on a normal oil change on a car with an oil cooler, if you can't drain the cooler, you are, 1: Leaving some quantity of old oil in it 2: won't need to add the additional oil. Unless you have somehow drained the cooler. Or an I missing something?
Quote from: rhjanes on May 31, 2024, 09:43:23 PMQuote from: Bob Gaines on May 31, 2024, 08:07:05 PMQuote from: Rbwiii on May 31, 2024, 07:49:55 PMQuote from: Bob Gaines on May 31, 2024, 11:54:29 AMDoug has some good information but I am afraid that too much info may be confusing for Steve the OP. For a stock 68 KR not run on the track 5 quarts of oil is what the Ford documentation suggests to use and consequently would be prudent to go by.
Some of the oil will drain back from the cooler but certainly not all.Quote from: rhjanes on May 31, 2024, 09:43:23 PMQuote from: Bob Gaines on May 31, 2024, 08:07:05 PMQuote from: Rbwiii on May 31, 2024, 07:49:55 PMQuote from: Bob Gaines on May 31, 2024, 11:54:29 AMDoug has some good information but I am afraid that too much info may be confusing for Steve the OP. For a stock 68 KR not run on the track 5 quarts of oil is what the Ford documentation suggests to use and consequently would be prudent to go by.
Bob, Steve did not mention this car has an oil cooler. How much additional oil should he add?
Good question. Only A/C 67 and 68 GT500 cars received the oil cooler plus a extra short Fram oil filter(from the factory) for ground clearance. The shorter yet same diameter oil filter used on this special application has a decreased oil capacity compared to a typical stock FL1 oil filter. There is not a listing for the extra capacity that the oil cooler and lines adds in any Ford documentation that I am aware of. I would start with a half a quart then run the engine and re check. Add oil if any as needed. Of course things are dependent on if you use the short filter like factory on the A/C application or the longer filter.
Question from the peanut gallery. I've never had a car with the oil cooler and never looked into them. Is it part of the oil change process to drain the cooler? If so, then I can see adding the additional for the cooler. But on a normal oil change on a car with an oil cooler, if you can't drain the cooler, you are, 1: Leaving some quantity of old oil in it 2: won't need to add the additional oil. Unless you have somehow drained the cooler. Or an I missing something?
Bob, Steve did not mention this car has an oil cooler. How much additional oil should he add?
Good question. Only A/C 67 and 68 GT500 cars received the oil cooler plus a extra short Fram oil filter(from the factory) for ground clearance. The shorter yet same diameter oil filter used on this special application has a decreased oil capacity compared to a typical stock FL1 oil filter. There is not a listing for the extra capacity that the oil cooler and lines adds in any Ford documentation that I am aware of. I would start with a half a quart then run the engine and re check. Add oil if any as needed. Of course things are dependent on if you use the short filter like factory on the A/C application or the longer filter.
Question from the peanut gallery. I've never had a car with the oil cooler and never looked into them. Is it part of the oil change process to drain the cooler? If so, then I can see adding the additional for the cooler. But on a normal oil change on a car with an oil cooler, if you can't drain the cooler, you are, 1: Leaving some quantity of old oil in it 2: won't need to add the additional oil. Unless you have somehow drained the cooler. Or an I missing something?
Draining the oil cooler and lines is not part of the typical oil change process. Some of the oil will drain back from the cooler but certainly not all. Start with 5 Qts run the engine then check and only add oil if needed. If on a A/C car with oil cooler and the factory short oil filter(for this application) it will probably only need a little extra vs. the longer filter which will require a little more.
* Capacity 7 quarts with oil and filter change per Ford TSB article #2322 published May 1970; add 1 more quart (8 quarts total) if equipped with an external oil cooler.
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Quote from: FL SAAC on May 31, 2024, 10:26:55 PM* Capacity 7 quarts with oil and filter change per Ford TSB article #2322 published May 1970; add 1 more quart (8 quarts total) if equipped with an external oil cooler.
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The discussion is about a 1968 oil cooler not a 1969 /70. You are apparently not familiar with the different oil coolers. The 67/68 and the 69/70 oil coolers are completely different shape and consequently have a different capacity.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on May 31, 2024, 10:58:24 PMQuote from: FL SAAC on May 31, 2024, 10:26:55 PM* Capacity 7 quarts with oil and filter change per Ford TSB article #2322 published May 1970; add 1 more quart (8 quarts total) if equipped with an external oil cooler.
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The discussion is about a 1968 oil cooler not a 1969 /70. You are apparently not familiar with the different oil coolers. The 67/68 and the 69/70 oil coolers are completely different shape and consequently have a different capacity.
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If 68 through 69 (70) used the FE 428 and some got oil coolers / some did not.
Although the 68 was different cooler than later years, you still would need more oil to fill the additional capacity created by the added oil lines and coolers.
More oil yes or no ?
Here you have a 68 and 69 oil cooler. Both are different, but both add more volume or capacity to the equation.
I have always used this TSB when changing oils on my 1969s
What Bob said == (Start with 5 Qts run the engine then check and only add oil if needed.)
It's that simple ...
Quote from: Bob Gaines on May 31, 2024, 10:16:29 PMQuote from: rhjanes on May 31, 2024, 09:43:23 PMQuote from: Bob Gaines on May 31, 2024, 08:07:05 PMQuote from: Rbwiii on May 31, 2024, 07:49:55 PMQuote from: Bob Gaines on May 31, 2024, 11:54:29 AMDoug has some good information but I am afraid that too much info may be confusing for Steve the OP. For a stock 68 KR not run on the track 5 quarts of oil is what the Ford documentation suggests to use and consequently would be prudent to go by.
Some of the oil will drain back from the cooler but certainly not all.Quote from: rhjanes on May 31, 2024, 09:43:23 PMQuote from: Bob Gaines on May 31, 2024, 08:07:05 PMQuote from: Rbwiii on May 31, 2024, 07:49:55 PMQuote from: Bob Gaines on May 31, 2024, 11:54:29 AMDoug has some good information but I am afraid that too much info may be confusing for Steve the OP. For a stock 68 KR not run on the track 5 quarts of oil is what the Ford documentation suggests to use and consequently would be prudent to go by.
Bob, Steve did not mention this car has an oil cooler. How much additional oil should he add?
Good question. Only A/C 67 and 68 GT500 cars received the oil cooler plus a extra short Fram oil filter(from the factory) for ground clearance. The shorter yet same diameter oil filter used on this special application has a decreased oil capacity compared to a typical stock FL1 oil filter. There is not a listing for the extra capacity that the oil cooler and lines adds in any Ford documentation that I am aware of. I would start with a half a quart then run the engine and re check. Add oil if any as needed. Of course things are dependent on if you use the short filter like factory on the A/C application or the longer filter.
Question from the peanut gallery. I've never had a car with the oil cooler and never looked into them. Is it part of the oil change process to drain the cooler? If so, then I can see adding the additional for the cooler. But on a normal oil change on a car with an oil cooler, if you can't drain the cooler, you are, 1: Leaving some quantity of old oil in it 2: won't need to add the additional oil. Unless you have somehow drained the cooler. Or an I missing something?
Bob, Steve did not mention this car has an oil cooler. How much additional oil should he add?
Good question. Only A/C 67 and 68 GT500 cars received the oil cooler plus a extra short Fram oil filter(from the factory) for ground clearance. The shorter yet same diameter oil filter used on this special application has a decreased oil capacity compared to a typical stock FL1 oil filter. There is not a listing for the extra capacity that the oil cooler and lines adds in any Ford documentation that I am aware of. I would start with a half a quart then run the engine and re check. Add oil if any as needed. Of course things are dependent on if you use the short filter like factory on the A/C application or the longer filter.
Question from the peanut gallery. I've never had a car with the oil cooler and never looked into them. Is it part of the oil change process to drain the cooler? If so, then I can see adding the additional for the cooler. But on a normal oil change on a car with an oil cooler, if you can't drain the cooler, you are, 1: Leaving some quantity of old oil in it 2: won't need to add the additional oil. Unless you have somehow drained the cooler. Or an I missing something?
Draining the oil cooler and lines is not part of the typical oil change process. Some of the oil will drain back from the cooler but certainly not all. Start with 5 Qts run the engine then check and only add oil if needed. If on a A/C car with oil cooler and the factory short oil filter(for this application) it will probably only need a little extra vs. the longer filter which will require a little more.
Thank you Bob.
I'm a 1970 428 CJ, Dearborn built in 12/1969, no oil cooler but with AC, PS, PDB, C6. I've don't drive it hard, and hardly at all come to think about it. It has the windage tray on it. Years ago I filled it with 6 quarts and etched a line on the dipstick and go by that line. It doesn't burn oil or leak (much) so on the oil change I dump in the 6 quarts, warm it up and check the level. I guess it's been working for me for 20 years now as I've not had the engine open in 30 years.
[/quote]Thank you Bob.
I'm a 1970 428 CJ, Dearborn built in 12/1969, no oil cooler but with AC, PS, PDB, C6. I've don't drive it hard, and hardly at all come to think about it. It has the windage tray on it. Years ago I filled it with 6 quarts and etched a line on the dipstick and go by that line. It doesn't burn oil or leak (much) so on the oil change I dump in the 6 quarts, warm it up and check the level. I guess it's been working for me for 20 years now as I've not had the engine open in 30 years.
[/quote]I marked my dipstick like they show on the CJ page but I also am running an oil cooler on my 69 SCJ so more going on there.
Quote from: rhjanes on June 01, 2024, 10:46:22 AMQuote from: Bob Gaines on May 31, 2024, 10:16:29 PMQuote from: rhjanes on May 31, 2024, 09:43:23 PMQuote from: Bob Gaines on May 31, 2024, 08:07:05 PMQuote from: Rbwiii on May 31, 2024, 07:49:55 PMQuote from: Bob Gaines on May 31, 2024, 11:54:29 AMDoug has some good information but I am afraid that too much info may be confusing for Steve the OP. For a stock 68 KR not run on the track 5 quarts of oil is what the Ford documentation suggests to use and consequently would be prudent to go by.
Some of the oil will drain back from the cooler but certainly not all.Quote from: rhjanes on May 31, 2024, 09:43:23 PMQuote from: Bob Gaines on May 31, 2024, 08:07:05 PMQuote from: Rbwiii on May 31, 2024, 07:49:55 PMQuote from: Bob Gaines on May 31, 2024, 11:54:29 AMDoug has some good information but I am afraid that too much info may be confusing for Steve the OP. For a stock 68 KR not run on the track 5 quarts of oil is what the Ford documentation suggests to use and consequently would be prudent to go by.
Bob, Steve did not mention this car has an oil cooler. How much additional oil should he add?
Good question. Only A/C 67 and 68 GT500 cars received the oil cooler plus a extra short Fram oil filter(from the factory) for ground clearance. The shorter yet same diameter oil filter used on this special application has a decreased oil capacity compared to a typical stock FL1 oil filter. There is not a listing for the extra capacity that the oil cooler and lines adds in any Ford documentation that I am aware of. I would start with a half a quart then run the engine and re check. Add oil if any as needed. Of course things are dependent on if you use the short filter like factory on the A/C application or the longer filter.
Question from the peanut gallery. I've never had a car with the oil cooler and never looked into them. Is it part of the oil change process to drain the cooler? If so, then I can see adding the additional for the cooler. But on a normal oil change on a car with an oil cooler, if you can't drain the cooler, you are, 1: Leaving some quantity of old oil in it 2: won't need to add the additional oil. Unless you have somehow drained the cooler. Or an I missing something?
Bob, Steve did not mention this car has an oil cooler. How much additional oil should he add?
Good question. Only A/C 67 and 68 GT500 cars received the oil cooler plus a extra short Fram oil filter(from the factory) for ground clearance. The shorter yet same diameter oil filter used on this special application has a decreased oil capacity compared to a typical stock FL1 oil filter. There is not a listing for the extra capacity that the oil cooler and lines adds in any Ford documentation that I am aware of. I would start with a half a quart then run the engine and re check. Add oil if any as needed. Of course things are dependent on if you use the short filter like factory on the A/C application or the longer filter.
Question from the peanut gallery. I've never had a car with the oil cooler and never looked into them. Is it part of the oil change process to drain the cooler? If so, then I can see adding the additional for the cooler. But on a normal oil change on a car with an oil cooler, if you can't drain the cooler, you are, 1: Leaving some quantity of old oil in it 2: won't need to add the additional oil. Unless you have somehow drained the cooler. Or an I missing something?
Draining the oil cooler and lines is not part of the typical oil change process. Some of the oil will drain back from the cooler but certainly not all. Start with 5 Qts run the engine then check and only add oil if needed. If on a A/C car with oil cooler and the factory short oil filter(for this application) it will probably only need a little extra vs. the longer filter which will require a little more.
Thank you Bob.
I'm a 1970 428 CJ, Dearborn built in 12/1969, no oil cooler but with AC, PS, PDB, C6. I've don't drive it hard, and hardly at all come to think about it. It has the windage tray on it. Years ago I filled it with 6 quarts and etched a line on the dipstick and go by that line. It doesn't burn oil or leak (much) so on the oil change I dump in the 6 quarts, warm it up and check the level. I guess it's been working for me for 20 years now as I've not had the engine open in 30 years.
Quote from: rhjanes on June 01, 2024, 10:46:22 AMQuote from: Bob Gaines on May 31, 2024, 10:16:29 PMQuote from: rhjanes on May 31, 2024, 09:43:23 PMQuote from: Bob Gaines on May 31, 2024, 08:07:05 PMQuote from: Rbwiii on May 31, 2024, 07:49:55 PMQuote from: Bob Gaines on May 31, 2024, 11:54:29 AMDoug has some good information but I am afraid that too much info may be confusing for Steve the OP. For a stock 68 KR not run on the track 5 quarts of oil is what the Ford documentation suggests to use and consequently would be prudent to go by.
Some of the oil will drain back from the cooler but certainly not all.Quote from: rhjanes on May 31, 2024, 09:43:23 PMQuote from: Bob Gaines on May 31, 2024, 08:07:05 PMQuote from: Rbwiii on May 31, 2024, 07:49:55 PMQuote from: Bob Gaines on May 31, 2024, 11:54:29 AMDoug has some good information but I am afraid that too much info may be confusing for Steve the OP. For a stock 68 KR not run on the track 5 quarts of oil is what the Ford documentation suggests to use and consequently would be prudent to go by.
Bob, Steve did not mention this car has an oil cooler. How much additional oil should he add?
Good question. Only A/C 67 and 68 GT500 cars received the oil cooler plus a extra short Fram oil filter(from the factory) for ground clearance. The shorter yet same diameter oil filter used on this special application has a decreased oil capacity compared to a typical stock FL1 oil filter. There is not a listing for the extra capacity that the oil cooler and lines adds in any Ford documentation that I am aware of. I would start with a half a quart then run the engine and re check. Add oil if any as needed. Of course things are dependent on if you use the short filter like factory on the A/C application or the longer filter.
Question from the peanut gallery. I've never had a car with the oil cooler and never looked into them. Is it part of the oil change process to drain the cooler? If so, then I can see adding the additional for the cooler. But on a normal oil change on a car with an oil cooler, if you can't drain the cooler, you are, 1: Leaving some quantity of old oil in it 2: won't need to add the additional oil. Unless you have somehow drained the cooler. Or an I missing something?
Bob, Steve did not mention this car has an oil cooler. How much additional oil should he add?
Good question. Only A/C 67 and 68 GT500 cars received the oil cooler plus a extra short Fram oil filter(from the factory) for ground clearance. The shorter yet same diameter oil filter used on this special application has a decreased oil capacity compared to a typical stock FL1 oil filter. There is not a listing for the extra capacity that the oil cooler and lines adds in any Ford documentation that I am aware of. I would start with a half a quart then run the engine and re check. Add oil if any as needed. Of course things are dependent on if you use the short filter like factory on the A/C application or the longer filter.
Question from the peanut gallery. I've never had a car with the oil cooler and never looked into them. Is it part of the oil change process to drain the cooler? If so, then I can see adding the additional for the cooler. But on a normal oil change on a car with an oil cooler, if you can't drain the cooler, you are, 1: Leaving some quantity of old oil in it 2: won't need to add the additional oil. Unless you have somehow drained the cooler. Or an I missing something?
Draining the oil cooler and lines is not part of the typical oil change process. Some of the oil will drain back from the cooler but certainly not all. Start with 5 Qts run the engine then check and only add oil if needed. If on a A/C car with oil cooler and the factory short oil filter(for this application) it will probably only need a little extra vs. the longer filter which will require a little more.
Thank you Bob.
I'm a 1970 428 CJ, Dearborn built in 12/1969, no oil cooler but with AC, PS, PDB, C6. I've don't drive it hard, and hardly at all come to think about it. It has the windage tray on it. Years ago I filled it with 6 quarts and etched a line on the dipstick and go by that line. It doesn't burn oil or leak (much) so on the oil change I dump in the 6 quarts, warm it up and check the level. I guess it's been working for me for 20 years now as I've not had the engine open in 30 years.
Precisely what we have been saying
Precisely what we have been saying
Follow the Ford TSB
Look at the model years. !968 is not one of them.
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The entire FE series of engines was with us starting in 1958. I personally found it interesting that it had been run in all forms including racing with essentially the same oil pan configuration and suddenly in 1969 there was a problem requiring more oil in the pan?
A very strange situation.
I think it is safe to say that used as intended, i.e., an everyday street car, there is no issue really with 5-1/2 quarts. However, the very type of use at high speed events like SAAC holds at the conventions is exactly the situation that causes the oil pan to go dry of oil.
The safer decision is that it won't hurt to run more oil. It will if you don't run enough.
Quote from: shelbydoug on June 02, 2024, 07:21:49 AMThe entire FE series of engines was with us starting in 1958. I personally found it interesting that it had been run in all forms including racing with essentially the same oil pan configuration and suddenly in 1969 there was a problem requiring more oil in the pan?
A very strange situation.
I think it is safe to say that used as intended, i.e., an everyday street car, there is no issue really with 5-1/2 quarts. However, the very type of use at high speed events like SAAC holds at the conventions is exactly the situation that causes the oil pan to go dry of oil.
The safer decision is that it won't hurt to run more oil. It will if you don't run enough.
That's a Big Plus One little buddy !
Actually, it will hurt to run too much oil.
Your motor may experience oil burning, fouled spark plugs, and increased emissions.
Not to mention leak from increased pressure
Fellas everyone is missing the point.
Everyone is talking about 1968 or 1969 or 1970.
Ford was talking about the FE motors and they put out that TSB in 1969 essentially stating :
" Oil pan levels have been revised on subject engines from four quarts to six quarts "
That's a better statement than :
" We may or may not have a oiling problem in the FE motors "
If you drive it like Granny, you are OK.
If you drive it like we all do, you are not OK.
Ford has a better idea ... just add oil !
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Good thing this is not a school test... Or rocket science- :-[
Quote from: 427heaven on June 02, 2024, 11:01:13 AMGood thing this is not a school test... Or rocket science- :-[
To some it is :) Simple oil change becomes a soap opera :o
For some reason, the website has not notified me of the ongoing and most interesting discussion about what I thought was a straightforward question, regarding the oil change in my KR. The car is a correct and original CJ with A/C and oil cooler. My plan was to put in 5 quarts, drive it, and recheck the dipstick. I always like to drive my car "granny style" until I know she's fully warmed up, and then some modest, spirited of driving, but only for short runs, followed by cruising. In Houston Texas there's not much place to really drive, so it's not uncommon to have a bit of stop and go traffic. Thanks for all the information. Much appreciated Steve..
Quote from: Steve Meltzer on June 03, 2024, 10:24:50 AMFor some reason, the website has not notified me of the ongoing and most interesting discussion about what I thought was a straightforward question, regarding the oil change in my KR. The car is a correct and original CJ with A/C and oil cooler. My plan was to put in 5 quarts, drive it, and recheck the dipstick. I always like to drive my car "granny style" until I know she's fully warmed up, and then some modest, spirited of driving, but only for short runs, followed by cruising. In Houston Texas there's not much place to really drive, so it's not uncommon to have a bit of stop and go traffic. Thanks for all the information. Much appreciated Steve..
Look, your dimensions are not different than mine as we both have 428 CJ engines(SCJ but the same oil wise to a dip stick). I'd use the excellent reference on the 428 CJ forum on having the revised dipstick or remarking your current one.
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on June 03, 2024, 01:04:43 PMLook, your dimensions are not different than mine as we both have 428 CJ engines(SCJ but the same oil wise to a dip stick). I'd use the excellent reference on the 428 CJ forum on having the revised dipstick or remarking your current one.
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Quote from: shelbymann1970 on June 03, 2024, 01:04:43 PMQuote from: Steve Meltzer on June 03, 2024, 10:24:50 AMFor some reason, the website has not notified me of the ongoing and most interesting discussion about what I thought was a straightforward question, regarding the oil change in my KR. The car is a correct and original CJ with A/C and oil cooler. My plan was to put in 5 quarts, drive it, and recheck the dipstick. I always like to drive my car "granny style" until I know she's fully warmed up, and then some modest, spirited of driving, but only for short runs, followed by cruising. In Houston Texas there's not much place to really drive, so it's not uncommon to have a bit of stop and go traffic. Thanks for all the information. Much appreciated Steve..
Look, your dimensions are not different than mine as we both have 428 CJ engines(SCJ but the same oil wise to a dip stick). I'd use the excellent reference on the 428 CJ forum on having the revised dipstick or remarking your current one.
Unless I am missing something you have a 1970 Shelby and Steve has a 1968 Shelby. Steve's engine does not have a windage tray. Yours does. Therefore the information at the 428CJ website will apply to your car. Steve has a 1968 Shelby so the service bulletin does not apply.
And dipatick has different line markings and easy way to tell is 67-68 has FOMOCO stamped. 69-70 windage tray cars have FORD stamped.