I believe that one of the hood hinges on my KR is defective and I want to replace it. can someone give me a paint color in rattle form, to make these look appropriate. I believe it is some kind of gray, but a specific maker and paint number would be great. Thanks Steve Meltzer.
Quote from: Steve Meltzer on April 05, 2024, 10:47:02 AM
I believe that one of the hood hinges on my KR is defective and I want to replace it. can someone give me a paint color in rattle form, to make these look appropriate. I believe it is some kind of gray, but a specific maker and paint number would be great. Thanks Steve Meltzer.
The original finish on the hood hinges is phosphate and oil. I have not tried this but it is supposed to resemble the original finish.
https://www.eastwood.com/search/?q=eastwood%20zinc%20phosphate%20aerosol%2012%20oz (https://www.eastwood.com/search/?q=eastwood%20zinc%20phosphate%20aerosol%2012%20oz)
Be aware that paint will not outlast plating. In both cases the hinges will rub the bases and on the painted surfaces will rust. On plated (if cared for with the use of preserving oil) will not or should not rust if you keep up the application
For the painted don't clear coat it. And if applied to heavy it will leave a smooth somewhat glossy finish neither something you are looking for. Also using paint will take more effort when it comes time to repaint and is much more difficult to touch up if it can be where the P&O can be touched up in place (depending on where the issue is)
Quote from: Steve Meltzer on April 05, 2024, 10:47:02 AM
I believe that one of the hood hinges on my KR is defective and I want to replace it. can someone give me a paint color in rattle form, to make these look appropriate. I believe it is some kind of gray, but a specific maker and paint number would be great. Thanks Steve Meltzer.
Phosphating isn't that expensive to have done and is highly recommended over paint which will rub off when opening and closing the hood. Usually a bulk price so gather up a bunch of parts or split the bill with a friend like I did a few years ago getting some hinges, springs, fasteners and other part plated.
Quote from: Royce Peterson on April 05, 2024, 11:41:02 AM
Quote from: Steve Meltzer on April 05, 2024, 10:47:02 AM
I believe that one of the hood hinges on my KR is defective and I want to replace it. can someone give me a paint color in rattle form, to make these look appropriate. I believe it is some kind of gray, but a specific maker and paint number would be great. Thanks Steve Meltzer.
The original finish on the hood hinges is phosphate and oil. I have not tried this but it is supposed to resemble the original finish.
https://www.eastwood.com/search/?q=eastwood%20zinc%20phosphate%20aerosol%2012%20oz (https://www.eastwood.com/search/?q=eastwood%20zinc%20phosphate%20aerosol%2012%20oz)
The Eastwood product is typically too dark.
Has anyone ever put together a list of all the parts that should be phosphate. or a good start to a list?
Okay, I've learned that all hood hinges are the same for 1968 Mustangs. However, KRs with their fiberglass hoods, require different springs. Having said, that I now see that the repro hinges available don't look like the originals on my car, one of which is defective. Is there someone who can recondition and refurbish my old hinges? Thanks Steve
Quote from: Steve Meltzer on April 16, 2024, 08:14:58 PMOkay, I've learned that all hood hinges are the same for 1968 Mustangs. However, KRs with their fiberglass hoods, require different springs. Having said, that I now see that the repro hinges available don't look like the originals on my car, one of which is defective. Is there someone who can recondition and refurbish my old hinges? Thanks Steve
Most of use find another set of original hinges and recondition them so they look like the rest of the parts under the hood.Junk yards,swap meets ,parts cars etc.I would suggest you contact Marcus since you have done business with him before and source the hinges through him.
"However, KRs with their fiberglass hoods, require different springs. "
Not correct.
The springs and hinges are stock Mustang parts and not unique to Shelbys or KRs.
Quote from: Steve Meltzer on April 16, 2024, 08:14:58 PMOkay, I've learned that all hood hinges are the same for 1968 Mustangs. However, KRs with their fiberglass hoods, require different springs. Having said, that I now see that the repro hinges available don't look like the originals on my car, one of which is defective. Is there someone who can recondition and refurbish my old hinges? Thanks Steve
There are early and late hood hinges. From what I've been told, 1967 style hinges were used until around March of 1968 depending on the plant. (I lost points for having the early hinges on my May 7th, 1968 built Dearborn Mustang in MCA concourse trailered). The late hinges were used from around March 1968 until the end of 1970 production. Most original hinges are date coded. There are also reports of some cars having an early hinge on side and a late hinge on the other. Do your homework before spending any money on hinges.
https://anghelrestorations.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/hood_hinges_v1.1.pdf
Thank you all for your input on this post. Having looked over all the information you've provided, the situation with these hood hinges is now clear as mud. Let me go back to square one. This car, number 03661, is the Ben Wagoner car. Three times a Gold Crown winner, and thus as accurate as it could be.
When I got the car, the hood sat significantly proud to the left fender. I was told by several people that it would not be easy to repair, and that I probably would be best living with this problem. However, I spoke with Ben, who told me that it was not like that when he owned it and probably the hinge on the driver's side needed adjustment. My guy agreed, and adjusted it as much as he could, but thought that the hinge was defective. That's where this whole saga began.
Indeed, replacing the hinge, with the only thing available, a reproduction hinge with a "KR fiberglass hood spring", yielded an excellent result, but not quite as good as I would like. (another downside to being OCD!)
My question now is, if I have the original hinges rebuilt, and those pictures are attached, might I expect an even better result? And if I replace the repro hinges with rep built originals, I assume I should use the large diameter springs that were on it originally. Is this correct? I'm guessing that the springs are really unrelated to the hood alignment. Is this correct? So that is why I'm trying to find someone with expertise in rebuilding these hinges and Marcus does not do it. (I know because I asked.)
Thanks again for helping me. Steve.
I wanted to post pictures of my orginal hinges. thanx again. steve
Quote from: Steve Meltzer on April 18, 2024, 10:10:17 PMThank you all for your input on this post. Having looked over all the information you've provided, the situation with these hood hinges is now clear as mud. Let me go back to square one. This car, number 03661, is the Ben Wagoner car. Three times a Gold Crown winner, and thus as accurate as it could be.
When I got the car, the hood sat significantly proud to the left fender. I was told by several people that it would not be easy to repair, and that I probably would be best living with this problem. However, I spoke with Ben, who told me that it was not like that when he owned it and probably the hinge on the driver's side needed adjustment. My guy agreed, and adjusted it as much as he could, but thought that the hinge was defective. That's where this whole saga began.
Indeed, replacing the hinge, with the only thing available, a reproduction hinge with a "KR fiberglass hood spring", yielded an excellent result, but not quite as good as I would like. (another downside to being OCD!)
My question now is, if I have the original hinges rebuilt, and those pictures are attached, might I expect an even better result? And if I replace the repro hinges with rep built originals, I assume I should use the large diameter springs that were on it originally. Is this correct? I'm guessing that the springs are really unrelated to the hood alignment. Is this correct? So that is why I'm trying to find someone with expertise in rebuilding these hinges and Marcus does not do it. (I know because I asked.)
Thanks again for helping me. Steve.
Typically the hinges are taken out of service and considered bad because one or both become loose where they pivot. I have had good luck by putting the hinge at the rivet joint in a hydraulic press and taking the loose clearance away by press smashing the rivet down more. This solves most of the possible problems but not all. The hole that the rivet is pressed into can become enlarged which can be fixed but much more effort and cost. Good hinges are still plentiful on the used market and is why I would never consider the 250.00 plus charge each I hear tell of for rebuilders. Of course it is easier for me to replace and restore hinges then you. If you decide to go the rebuild route then you would have to do both so that they match each other. I doubt they will come back with a finish like what was on them when Ben did the car however.
I have never used repro hinges but I can only imagine that there is a compromise in ether look or performance like there is with most repro parts.
The reproduction hinges are a joke. Typical Scott Drake lack of quality. If you were in space looking at them through a telescope they might be acceptable. Otherwise restore a set of originals.
Anytime you remove original parts and replace them with reproduction parts, you are decreasing the value of your car.
If you are expecting 60 year old cars to have the same drive ability, fit and finish and appearance of a newer car, you will be disappointed.
Yes, the springs effect the fitment of the hood.
Thanks again and I'll keep you posted. steve
Charles Johnson, I could not figure out how to reply and thank you for working with me to find the correct hinge. Much appreciated Steve Meltzer.
🙄 Im not sure of your post
Charlesjohnson is a scammer
YES! CHARLES JOHNSON IS A FRAUD AND A SCAMMER. HE DIRECTED ME TO A GUY NAMED SCOTT CASSIDY WHO, FOR ALL I KNOW, MAY BE THE SAME PERSON. SCOTT SENT ME PICTURES OF HINGES THAT LOOKED GREAT. WE SETTLED ON A PRICE OF $135 FOR BOTH, HE INSISTED ON PAYMENT THROUGH PAYPAL WITH "FRIENDS AND FAMILY", WHICH GIVES YOU NO PROTECTION FOR ANY SORT OF FRAUD. HE WANTED THE MONEY SENT TO AN EMAIL ACCOUNT THAT WAS NEITHER HIS NOR CHARLES JOHNSON'S BUT YET A THIRD PERSON. I'VE YET TO RECEIVE THE HINGES, I'M OUT THE $135 AND HAVE EGG ON MY FACE TO SHOW FOR IT. IT would be great if the forum could prevent him from sending any private emails, etc. That's where I got hooked. I'm really ticked, but find I have little recourse. Steve.
Quote from: Steve Meltzer on June 23, 2024, 12:14:14 AMYES! CHARLES JOHNSON IS A FRAUD AND A SCAMMER. HE DIRECTED ME TO A GUY NAMED SCOTT CASSIDY WHO, FOR ALL I KNOW, MAY BE THE SAME PERSON. SCOTT SENT ME PICTURES OF HINGES THAT LOOKED GREAT. WE SETTLED ON A PRICE OF $135 FOR BOTH, HE INSISTED ON PAYMENT THROUGH PAYPAL WITH "FRIENDS AND FAMILY", WHICH GIVES YOU NO PROTECTION FOR ANY SORT OF FRAUD. HE WANTED THE MONEY SENT TO AN EMAIL ACCOUNT THAT WAS NEITHER HIS NOR CHARLES JOHNSON'S BUT YET A THIRD PERSON. I'VE YET TO RECEIVE THE HINGES, I'M OUT THE $135 AND HAVE EGG ON MY FACE TO SHOW FOR IT. IT would be great if the forum could prevent him from sending any private emails, etc. That's where I got hooked. I'm really ticked, but find I have little recourse. Steve.
so Pete posted the guy was a scammer 2 months ago and now you post he is? Did you not see Pete's post 2 months ago? It is a shame you got taken but unless you know the member-or the member is well known here with a track record- it is always best to use protection in the transaction. Unfortunately you learned the hard way. Every time I post a wanted ad I always get scammers who direct me to someone else. One way to weed one out is to ask if they have an additional part that DOESN'T exist. My friend did and the guy "had" the non existent part.
https://www.saac.com/forum/index.php?topic=26654.msg196225#msg196225
I got a new one this am Dewald Englebrecht133@gmail.com
Quite Honestly Im done reporting them. I am not a moderator.
The current admin can do what they want.
Quote from: Coralsnake on June 23, 2024, 07:07:05 AMQuite Honestly Im done reporting them. I am not a moderator.
The current admin can do what they want.
That's unfortunate to hear; you've been doing such a good job reporting up until now.
You can see from your example link above---> when reported scammers will be immediately deleted.
Proper way to report a questionable user is via email to pitcrew@saac.com or via PM or "Reported Post"
Shelbymann70, Thanks for the gentle trip to the woodshed. Is my error that I did not see Pete's warning, and I paid the price. For any error one makes, the best you can hope for is not a repeat performance.
Pete, Sorry I didn't see your previous warning, but I hope you will relent and continue to post those you suspect of being trolls and scammers. It is a real service to all of us, and it really is best when we police ourselves. There will always be one rotten apple....
Just to be clear and not repeat my mista=ke, are you saying that you got a correct hinge from
Dewald Englebrecht133@gmail.com?
thanx steve meltzer
I got a new one this am Dewald Englebrecht133@gmail.com
No. He is a scammer that sent an email.
When someone asks me to use friends and family, I tell them no. I say I will use regular PayPal and add the percentage they charge. If they argue about that, it's a good sign they are scamming you.
There are plenty of people on the forum I have no problem using F&F, but they have to be established members that have proved themselves.
You can also look at their profile and pull up their previous posts to get an idea of intentions.
Quote from: KR Convertible on June 23, 2024, 12:40:51 PMWhen someone asks me to use friends and family, I tell them no. I say I will use regular PayPal and add the percentage they charge. If they argue about that, it's a good sign they are scamming you.
There are plenty of people on the forum I have no problem using F&F, but they have to be established members that have proved themselves.
You can also look at their profile and pull up their previous posts to get an idea of intentions.
Good to know that your criteria is dependent on who it is. Because many of us will only take PayPal FF when selling parts on the forums.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 23, 2024, 04:49:04 PMQuote from: KR Convertible on June 23, 2024, 12:40:51 PMWhen someone asks me to use friends and family, I tell them no. I say I will use regular PayPal and add the percentage they charge. If they argue about that, it's a good sign they are scamming you.
There are plenty of people on the forum I have no problem using F&F, but they have to be established members that have proved themselves.
You can also look at their profile and pull up their previous posts to get an idea of intentions.
Good to know that your criteria is dependent on who it is. Because many of us will only take PayPal FF when selling parts on the forums.
Yes, you always get F&F. Even the first time I bought from you I had no problem doing it. I felt very confident that you would not risk your reputation for a few bucks!
Thank you all for this most valuable information. It has been a pretty useful discussion and went way beyond hood hinges. Yes? Steve
Steve have you looked at eBay ??
thanx so much, Royce. I did, but it's been awhile.steve
Hi to all,
Just so you know there are people in the car world that still do good work with original parts. Please check out Rowland Hall 1901 Jackson street Burbank Ca. (818) 845-3574
rowlandhall@mindspring.com He is very qualified to repair your original parts.
Hope this helps.
R.R.