Hello, this is being sold as genuine original from 1968...I fear it is reproduction. Experts? Any assistance?
Thanks in advance.
Front
What is the overall length?
See picture
I'm used to seeing originals with pins on the back, but couldn't say for sure if they all were like that.
The KR emblems did not have pins.
I respectfully disagree, the GT350 and GT500 emblems typically have pins
Quote from: Coralsnake on March 14, 2024, 05:59:34 AM
The KR emblems did not have pins.
Thanks, good to know. I'm working on a KR now that needs one of these.
If ACSCO Products created the originals, and then continued to create the emblems for the aftermarket. Wouldn't those emblems be virtually the same? Tooling wears out over time, so there may be less crispness in the later emblems.
I am not aware if anyone other than ACSCO Products, that has made reproduction emblems. Anyone know?
https://youtu.be/4ZfRtaCERnU?si=sINFx68StfwVulT8 (https://youtu.be/4ZfRtaCERnU?si=sINFx68StfwVulT8)
There are (were) other companies producing these.
The reproduction GT350 and GT500 emblems typically have a raised gold snake which is not correct.
I dont think Drake was getting their supply from ACSCO
I beleive this GT500 emblem is original. I do not know if the lengths of the factory Cobra Jet to the GT350 or GT500 emblems were different. Some pics for reference
Should be able to get you an answer very shortly on original question
Quote from: Krelboyne on March 14, 2024, 11:22:46 AM
If ACSCO Products created the originals, and then continued to create the emblems for the aftermarket. Wouldn't those emblems be virtually the same? Tooling wears out over time, so there may be less crispness in the later emblems.
I am not aware if anyone other than ACSCO Products, that has made reproduction emblems. Anyone know?
https://youtu.be/4ZfRtaCERnU?si=sINFx68StfwVulT8 (https://youtu.be/4ZfRtaCERnU?si=sINFx68StfwVulT8)
Stamping metal dies typically wear down and need repair. I'm not so sure about die cast molds though that make emblems and side marker bezels and such.
Quote from: Coralsnake on March 14, 2024, 11:38:43 AM
There are (were) other companies producing these.
The reproduction GT350 and GT500 emblems typically have a raised gold snake which is not correct.
I dont think Drake was getting their supply from ACSCO
The picture of the Cobra Jet emblem in question looks to have the raised snake, (cannot tell if is gold or was gold on snake) when compared to the snake on the pic of the GT500 emblem I posted
For the original emblems
GT 350 / GT 500 were flat, chrome and black with pins
GT 500 KR was chrome/ black with raised gold snake no pins
To determine if the original posters emblem is original we will have to measure the size of a known original
Quote from: Coralsnake on March 14, 2024, 02:48:11 PM
For the original emblems
GT 350 / GT 500 were flat, chrome and black with pins
GT 500 KR was chrome/ black with raised gold snake no pins
To determine if the original posters emblem is original we will have to measure the size of a known original
Good info that I didn't know. Thank you Coralsnake!
Fran sent me this original. We think the snake has much better detail, leading us to believe the original posting is probably a reproduction. Also noticed letters are much crisper on known original and the thin line detail is unpainted. The original is also a little larger.
(https://www.saac.com/forum/gallery/8-140324191051.jpeg)
I have only seen this version a couple times. It is very rare pre-production variation
(https://www.saac.com/forum/gallery/8-150324095600.jpeg)
Sorry, after I posted original question I was on the road yesterday. Pete covered a lot of it. Easiest way to tell if you don't have 2 side by side (or seeing hundreds over the years lol) is length . Originals measure 4.25 repops 4. Other ways are crispness of detail, snakes neck is longer, tail skinnier and cobra jet lettering is smaller and clearer on originals.
Original posters picture is definately a repop
That is great information. I bought a wood grain trim piece that goes over the glove box several years ago and it came with this badge attached. I always wondered if it was an original. I really assumed it was not. But from Tim's description it sounds like it is. I do not have a KR and most likely never will but its still a cool display piece.
Corey
Agree it appears to be original
If 4.25 is one of the defining parameters then maybe 3 versions of original . The confirmed one in reply 16 has a thinner chrome perimeter around the words COBRA JET compared to the one in reply 19 that is also 4.25 . So if I have this straight, the typical original emblem in reply #16 is one, pre production emblem in reply 17 is number 2, and 4.25 long version with what appears to be a thicker chrome band around the COBRA JET is number 3 . The number 3 version has a similar thicker band around COBRA JET like the one ruled repro and shorter of reply #1 . What are others thoughts?
The emblem in photo response #16 is also 4.25 inches
Quote from: Coralsnake on March 15, 2024, 04:25:56 PM
The emblem in photo response #16 is also 4.25 inches
Yes that was a given in my post as it was referred to as confirmed meaning original.
I think I see what you are referring to...is it ossible its the reflections ?
Quote from: Coralsnake on March 15, 2024, 05:16:39 PM
I think I see what you are referring to...is it ossible its the reflections ?
It is hard to say without having them in front of me if a optical illusion or not. From the pictures they appear to be different widths. If they are different widths it will add to the conversation.
I'm going with they are the same. (ex 16 and 19 postings)
The angle of the two pictures varies just a little and the reflections are a bit confusing.
(https://www.saac.com/forum/gallery/8-160324080455.jpeg)
Quote from: Coralsnake on March 16, 2024, 08:06:11 AM
I'm going with they are the same. (ex 16 and 19 postings)
The angle of the two pictures varies just a little and the reflections are a bit confusing.
(https://www.saac.com/forum/gallery/8-160324080455.jpeg)
They look the same in that match up.Thanks.
I'v had this since about 1975 along with a bunch of other stuff that I got from a friend that bought a lot of things from Carroll in 1971 when Carroll was getting out of cars. I believe that it is NOS original for a KR? It's kind of hard to tell in the pictures but it is 4.25 inches.
Roy
The green backing paper is very common. It appears to be NOS by the details you provided
Look at the upper fangs on the snakes and the "details" comments become more visible
What do you think it's worth? I haven't seen one for sale in a long time.
Roy
Typically 2x or 3x a reproduction, so probably in the 200-300$ range
Anyone have a 68 gt350 original dash emblem for sale?
Show me a picture of one and I may have 1 as I got a lot of emblems that came from Carroll back in the mid to early 70s.
Roy
(http://www.thecoralsnake.com/emblem350.jpg)
That's the one I need. Thanks Pete for posting picture!
I have copies of Tom's original blueprints and there were different drawings for the red and black background versions. Having said that I kind of doubt he made a new mold for the black one. It is worth noting there is about 8 months difference between the first red ones observed till the rpo black version
These are pictures of most of what I have but I will keep looking. If I had 2 of something I had them next to each other to show the front and back.
Roy
Pictures of a few posters also.
Roy
A few more.
Roy